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Power - Joshua has more powerfull combinations while Wilder has more ONE punch KO power - EVEN

Speed - They are both pretty fast. But AJ can be realy slow if he gasses out - EVEN

Stamina - This goes for Wilder and easily. Joshua has one of the worst stamina in the business Wilder

Chin/Durability - Based on their styles and how they fight .. I think this goes for Joshua Joshua

Movement - Joshua is not mover at all. So this goes to Wilder Wilder

Defence - Aj's best defence is his offence. Wilder does not apply so much pressure on his opponents so they are free to hit him with easy. Joshua


So this fight seems to be very very close on PAPER. Biggest questions are if Wilder can take his big shots or if Joshua can go distance without gassing out-

joshua also has much better technique. might be the biggest disparity.

i think josh would win by ko but wilder has a reaslitic shot vs any current hw.

Joshua seems to put punches together and show better speed than wilder imo

Wilder has punchers chance but take common opponent Eric Molina as a marker on the level they operate in the ring. Joshua dominates opponents as he’s a better boxer, not just a big over hand right guy.

Wilder is wide open to eat a straight right from Joshua. The straight punch beats Wilders overhand right to the chin.

Joshua big favourite but wilder can beat anybody with that power

i think hand speed is about equal. but aj nice and tight with his shots and think would get there first.

Ossyrules wrote:Joshua seems to put punches together and show better speed than wilder imo

Wilder has punchers chance but take common opponent Eric Molina as a marker on the level they operate in the ring. Joshua dominates opponents as he’s a better boxer, not just a big over hand right guy.

Wilder is wide open to eat a straight right from Joshua. The straight punch beats Wilders overhand right to the chin.

Joshua big favourite but wilder can beat anybody with that power

Joshua imagine if Joshua gasses out like he did against Klitshcko. It would be already over him. Wilder would jump on him with those windmill punches and Joshua would not escape. It would bE TKO

I'd say Joshua is superior in every area but one punch power and stamina. Those advantages(and power is close) make him a very live dog. I'd say Joshua wins 7 out of 10.

IronFrost wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Joshua seems to put punches together and show better speed than wilder imo

Wilder has punchers chance but take common opponent Eric Molina as a marker on the level they operate in the ring. Joshua dominates opponents as he’s a better boxer, not just a big over hand right guy.

Wilder is wide open to eat a straight right from Joshua. The straight punch beats Wilders overhand right to the chin.

Joshua big favourite but wilder can beat anybody with that power

Joshua imagine if Joshua gasses out like he did against Klitshcko. It would be already over him. Wilder would jump on him with those windmill punches and Joshua would not escape. It would bE TKO

Yeah if he gets Joshua like that he has to finish him, as he gets second wind pretty strong. Joshua’s still young in his pro career. Never been past 8 before so it’s good learning for him

well im not really sure if wilder would be much more likely than wlad to get the finish if josh gassed. i think his wild punches actually stopped him from getting kos sooner against molina for example. its easier to move inside those shots. he would be throwing more than wlad probably, although wlad wasnt as passive as some suggest

wilder keeps the right much straighter when hes not in kill mode.

To me Joshua is a better over-all boxer as far as technique goes. Wilder is awkward at times, which can add to the dangerous one big punch he has. He has a very good jab at times, but not as consistent as should be at this point. Power wise both are big punchers. Wilder is a bit faster with better stamina. A true 50-50 fight in reality, even if you favor Joshua on paper.

If they fought right now, I would favor Wilder, giving him a big edge in confidence. Boxers with little confidence in the ability to beat an opponent can be huge. Joshua saying he is not mentally, physically, or emotionally ready to fight Wilder is a big factor that so many on this forum seem to conveniently forget. I am guessing Hearn and a lot of fans really wish he didn't utter those words.

If Takem hangs in there past 8 rounds it will be interesting to see if AJ has worked on his stamina.
I think AJ's jab would win it with Wilder. He has not felt the power like that. Washington was jabbing Wilder flush for 4 rounds, 4 rounds of AJ's jab would be too much. Even Wlad said AJ has one of he hardest jabs he has faced. Just 3-4 flush jabs and an overhand right to see Wilder on his arse..

KiwiRider wrote:If Takem hangs in there past 8 rounds it will be interesting to see if AJ has worked on his stamina.
I think AJ's jab would win it with Wilder. He has not felt the power like that. Washington was jabbing Wilder flush for 4 rounds, 4 rounds of AJ's jab would be too much. Even Wlad said AJ has one of he hardest jabs he has faced. Just 3-4 flush jabs and an overhand right to see Wilder on his arse..

Above is a perfect example of what I am talking about in my previous post. Maybe if we all totally ignore that Joshua said it.....

You cannot simultaneously have a dominant HW champion that is so much better than all the compeition, and one that is "not ready emotionally, mentally or physically ready to fight another HW. We are talking about the SAME GUY!!!!!
Maybe in two years he will be ready?

If the tables were reversed, and it was Wilder that said that there would have been 50 threads about it with idiots going crazy. I'll wait to reply on any thread comparing Joshua and Wilder until serious talks about a fight between the two are in place. In other words, Hearn will tell Joshua its time, or Joshua will grow a pair in the next couple years and want it on his own.

IronFrost wrote:
Stamina - This goes for Wilder and easily. Joshua has one of the worst stamina in the business Wilder
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In the business? Like the entire boxing world? You high?

1) In terms of comparing the in-ring performances against their common opponents (Eric Molina & Jason Gavern), does the evidence suggest that Joshua has fared better than Wilder did?

2) In the context of BoxRec ratings, is it reasonable to assume that Joshua’s top-five career-best victories (Klitschko, Martin, Molina, Breazeale & Whyte) came against stronger opposition than the top-five guys that Wilder beat (Stiverne, Szpilka, Washington, Harrison & Arreola)?

3) Is it reasonable to assume that Joshua’s next opponent (Carlos Takam) is currently a better fighter than Wilder’s next title challenger (Bermane Stiverne)?

4) When reviewing the marketability of both fighters, in the context of PPV buys generated and the size of the fight purses earned, is it reasonable to assume that AJ is a much bigger draw than ‘The Bronze Bomber’?

5) Is it reasonable to suggest that it’s unfair to compare the physical and skilled attributes of Wilder & Joshua, based on their in-ring performances’, considering the Brit has mixed with better opposition?

6) Would it be reasonable to claim that AJ’s amateur pedigree and accomplishments is far superior than Wilder’s?

7) Am I correct in saying that Joshua’s career has progressed at a quicker rate than Wilder’s has?

I wonder how many times people responded to each of those seven questions with a “YES”?

Badhusker wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:If Takem hangs in there past 8 rounds it will be interesting to see if AJ has worked on his stamina.
I think AJ's jab would win it with Wilder. He has not felt the power like that. Washington was jabbing Wilder flush for 4 rounds, 4 rounds of AJ's jab would be too much. Even Wlad said AJ has one of he hardest jabs he has faced. Just 3-4 flush jabs and an overhand right to see Wilder on his arse..

Above is a perfect example of what I am talking about in my previous post. Maybe if we all totally ignore that Joshua said it.....

You cannot simultaneously have a dominant HW champion that is so much better than all the compeition, and one that is "not ready emotionally, mentally or physically ready to fight another HW. We are talking about the SAME GUY!!!!!
Maybe in two years he will be ready?

If the tables were reversed, and it was Wilder that said that there would have been 50 threads about it with idiots going crazy. I'll wait to reply on any thread comparing Joshua and Wilder until serious talks about a fight between the two are in place. In other words, Hearn will tell Joshua its time, or Joshua will grow a pair in the next couple years and want it on his own.

I understand what your getting at. When Wilder ranted about AJ not being ready to fight him until 2020, I couldn't find the statement from AJ or Hearn saying that. It seemed to only come from Wilder. As far as I know, Hearn wants Wilder/ Joshua for late next year?.
I tend to take everything Wilder says with a grain of salt until I can find independent evidence to confirm.

Badhusker wrote:To me Joshua is a better over-all boxer as far as technique goes. Wilder is awkward at times, which can add to the dangerous one big punch he has. He has a very good jab at times, but not as consistent as should be at this point. Power wise both are big punchers. Wilder is a bit faster with better stamina. A true 50-50 fight in reality, even if you favor Joshua on paper.

If they fought right now, I would favor Wilder, giving him a big edge in confidence. Boxers with little confidence in the ability to beat an opponent can be huge. Joshua saying he is not mentally, physically, or emotionally ready to fight Wilder is a big factor that so many on this forum seem to conveniently forget. I am guessing Hearn and a lot of fans really wish he didn't utter those words.

I don’t see how someone can call it 50/50 based on the level they show to perform at factored in with the level of opposition they face.

Wilder can knock out Joshua, but Joshua sets up knockouts. It’s never a punch from nowhere

If words in the media between the 2 when there is no fight set up sways you, all the best

Everything I've seen from Joshua indicates he wants to fight Wilder next year. I know Wilder wants to fight him. Let's see how boxing can fornicate it up.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Everything I've seen from Joshua indicates he wants to fight Wilder next year. I know Wilder wants to fight him. Let's see how boxing can eff it up.

Not just Joshua, but Hearn has been saying it for months and he is the man with the clout. I know I'm being pessimistic, but I can't see Wilder in the ring with AJ. Something will happen. Not enough money, wrong country, wrong purse split, wrong testing agency, you name it, it will fail.
Wilder will continue to flap his lips about how it is everybody's fault but his, how he wants to unify, how everyone is scared of him etc etc

That's retarded.

IronFrost wrote:Power - Joshua has more powerfull combinations while Wilder has more ONE punch KO power - EVEN

Speed - They are both pretty fast. But AJ can be realy slow if he gasses out - EVEN

Stamina - This goes for Wilder and easily. Joshua has one of the worst stamina in the business Wilder

Chin/Durability - Based on their styles and how they fight .. I think this goes for Joshua Joshua

Movement - Joshua is not mover at all. So this goes to Wilder Wilder

Defence - Aj's best defence is his offence. Wilder does not apply so much pressure on his opponents so they are free to hit him with easy. Joshua


So this fight seems to be very very close on PAPER. Biggest questions are if Wilder can take his big shots or if Joshua can go distance without gassing out-

It's not hard to guess which one you'd be rooting for considering you highlight in red what you deem to be even's or Wilder advantages, but try to downplay the things you see as Joshua advantages.

IronFrost wrote:Power - Joshua has more powerfull combinations while Wilder has more ONE punch KO power - EVEN

Speed - They are both pretty fast. But AJ can be realy slow if he gasses out - EVEN

Stamina - This goes for Wilder and easily. Joshua has one of the worst stamina in the business Wilder

Chin/Durability - Based on their styles and how they fight .. I think this goes for Joshua Joshua

Movement - Joshua is not mover at all. So this goes to Wilder Wilder

Defence - Aj's best defence is his offence. Wilder does not apply so much pressure on his opponents so they are free to hit him with easy. Joshua


So this fight seems to be very very close on PAPER. Biggest questions are if Wilder can take his big shots or if Joshua can go distance without gassing out-

Chin/Durability and Defence is for Joshua, while Power and speed is even - so i predict Joshua wins by early-mid KO before even stamina starts to matter

Joshua would put Wilder on his back

Wilders got a punchers chance that's it

Joshua still has plenty to learn and improve on but he's much better than Wilder

IronFrost wrote:Power - Joshua has more powerfull combinations while Wilder has more ONE punch KO power - EVEN

Speed - They are both pretty fast. But AJ can be realy slow if he gasses out - EVEN

Stamina - This goes for Wilder and easily. Joshua has one of the worst stamina in the business Wilder

Chin/Durability - Based on their styles and how they fight .. I think this goes for Joshua Joshua

Movement - Joshua is not mover at all. So this goes to Wilder Wilder

Defence - Aj's best defence is his offence. Wilder does not apply so much pressure on his opponents so they are free to hit him with easy. Joshua


So this fight seems to be very very close on PAPER. Biggest questions are if Wilder can take his big shots or if Joshua can go distance without gassing out-

Power goes to Joshua... He tracks down better opponents and get rid of them quicker... He doesn't let anyone like Duhaupas or Stiverne hang around.

Speed goes to Joshua.. He won the Super Stars Sprint competition and tracks his opponent down with quicker feet.. Wilder doesn't cut them off.

Stamina goes to Joshua.. Wilder faked it through rounds. And there were periods where he did a lot loafing in the Washington and Duhaupas fights.

Movement goes to Joshua.. Wilder's movement to cut off Washington, Molina, Duhaupas, and Szpilka was horrific.. Joshua cut Molina off cleanly and didn't get touched up like Wilder.. He cut Whyte down in full flight.. He cut Klitschko off at the pass.. He was the first to put an attack job on Wladimir in 13 years.

to me there is one big difference:
balance. i feel like AJ has a more solid
overall technique and can keep a certain
minimum of boxing composure even
under stress. wilder on the other hand
loses balance and composure much easier.
i do not think he would have survived wlad's
attacks as AJ managed to do.

i see the fight playing out like a chess match
for some time, but eventually one would get
hit, which would trigger a response and we
would have a real fight. i do not see it go the
distance and i do not see wilder winning, so
my guess is joshua, TKO10.

Kalan wrote:

IronFrost wrote:Power - Joshua has more powerfull combinations while Wilder has more ONE punch KO power - EVEN

Speed - They are both pretty fast. But AJ can be realy slow if he gasses out - EVEN

Stamina - This goes for Wilder and easily. Joshua has one of the worst stamina in the business Wilder

Chin/Durability - Based on their styles and how they fight .. I think this goes for Joshua Joshua

Movement - Joshua is not mover at all. So this goes to Wilder Wilder

Defence - Aj's best defence is his offence. Wilder does not apply so much pressure on his opponents so they are free to hit him with easy. Joshua


So this fight seems to be very very close on PAPER. Biggest questions are if Wilder can take his big shots or if Joshua can go distance without gassing out-

Power goes to Joshua... He tracks down better opponents and get rid of them quicker... He doesn't let anyone like Duhaupas or Stiverne hang around.

Speed goes to Joshua.. He won the Super Stars Sprint competition and tracks his opponent down with quicker feet.. Wilder doesn't cut them off.

Stamina goes to Joshua.. Wilder faked it through rounds. And there were periods where he did a lot loafing in the Washington and Duhaupas fights.

Movement goes to Joshua.. Wilder's movement to cut off Washington, Molina, Duhaupas, and Szpilka was horrific.. Joshua cut Molina off cleanly and didn't get touched up like Wilder.. He cut Whyte down in full flight.. He cut Klitschko off at the pass.. He was the first to put an attack job on Wladimir in 13 years.

You seem to be in love with Joshua, Kalan! I agree he's the better of the two, based on both accomplishments and the eye test, but I disagree with some of your analysis.

Wilder seems to have a bit better one-punch power, Joshua punches better in combinations and stops his opponents earlier due to superior technique, not greater power. Neither has a significant advantage in power.

Both have fast hands for such big men - again, no significant advantage. I completely disagree that Joshua has faster feet - being a quick 100 metre sprinter means very little in a boxing ring, Wilder appears to have the faster feet and is the more mobile figher. Hell, Wlad had a clear footspeed advantage over Joshua.

Wilder appears to have better stamina than Joshua, but he tends to throw less punches and pressure less, so the advantage may not be as significant as it seems. Joshua's over-developed upper body requires a lot of energy, which goes a good way towards explaining his mediocre stamina. That said, he found a brilliant second wind that enabled him to stop Wlad, so his stamina isn't as bad as some are making out.

Movement is a hard one to judge - Wilder has faster feet and a greater ability to keep opponents at a distance (which he demonstrated best against molasses-slow Bermane Stiverne). On the other hand, Joshua is far better at cutting off the ring, which enables him to get his opponents out of there earlier. Who knows who would have the advantage in a head-to-head matchup.

I agree Joshua has the better chin, durability and defense and would definitely pick him to beat Wilder, thought Wilder would have a good puncher's chance and a slim chance to win enough rounds through his superior footspeed and longer jab.