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Kalan wrote:So??? ... It would have been a little different if he were facing Jack Dempsey -- who was about the same weight but had 3 X the firepower.

scorpio83 wrote:APerno, I checked Charley Weinert's file at this website that he stood 5'11" not 6'2 1/2" like in this tale of the tape with Harry Wills. For Harry Wills, I believe that Wills is taller than 6'2" because I looked at the photos standing next to Luis Angel Firpo and Wills look taller than Firpo, who stood 6'2 1/2 or 6'3". If Firpo stood 6'2 1/2 or 6'3", Wills may stood 6'3" or 6'4". The tale of the tape between Wills and Weinert maybe misleading.

Ambling Alp II wrote:It is odd about Wills height. I have seen it as high at 6'4. He does seem to be pretty tall. And how could reach possibly be 74" for one fight and 84" for another?

scorpio83 wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 04:54

Ambling Alp II wrote:It is odd about Wills height. I have seen it as high at 6'4. He does seem to be pretty tall. And how could reach possibly be 74" for one fight and 84" for another?

You're right. Wills did seem to be pretty tall and there is a picture of him and Luis Firpo stood next to each other before their fight. Wills was not shorter than Firpo, who was 6'2 1/2 or 6'3" and Wills stood about 6'3 or 6'4" and his reach is 76 before his fight with Tut Jackson according to one of the old newspaper archive, which is lost due to the content change from news google. I believed that whoever wrote the tale of the tape of every Wills' fights from the old newspaper back in the day didn't check the picture as evidence that he was taller than 6'2" as he stood 6'3" or 6'4".

APerno, outside of Wills vs. Weinert - tale of the tape, do you have the tale of the tape of Jack Dempsey vs. Bill Brennan World Heavyweight Title Fight, so I want to know how long were Brennan's reach?

Controversial wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 06:01 I think most tale of the tapes are inaccurate and normally exaggerated. It don't know why they don't stick fighters on machines that also measure height and reach when they do the weigh-in.

mercman wrote: ↑30 Oct 2017, 12:25

APerno wrote:I never saw Wills numbers before. - This fight was July of 1925 with Wills winning by a 2nd round KO (at the Polo Grounds).

Those measurements don't give the impression of one guy being 22lbs heavier than the other.

188lbs seems quite light for someone over 6'2" with a reach of nearly 80", a 17" neck, 33" waist, etc.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 22:43

mercman wrote: ↑30 Oct 2017, 12:25

APerno wrote:I never saw Wills numbers before. - This fight was July of 1925 with Wills winning by a 2nd round KO (at the Polo Grounds).

Those measurements don't give the impression of one guy being 22lbs heavier than the other.

188lbs seems quite light for someone over 6'2" with a reach of nearly 80", a 17" neck, 33" waist, etc.

A 21 inch thigh is a very very skinny thigh. A rule of thumb (and it's generally inaccurate but it's at least in the ball park) is an inch of mass on a large area like the thighs can equal about ten pounds in bodyweight. If the numbers were accurate there two inches difference in both the thighs and the upper arms. That would equate to at least 20+ pounds of bodyweight difference.

APerno wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 22:37

Controversial wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 06:01 I think most tale of the tapes are inaccurate and normally exaggerated. It don't know why they don't stick fighters on machines that also measure height and reach when they do the weigh-in.

. . . and do we really need to know ankle size?

APerno wrote: ↑01 Nov 2017, 14:32 I found two for Tyson, Biggs and Holmes - for both fights he is listed at 5' 11 1/2" - sounds too tall to me; wrong but consistent. His reach, both times is posted at 71"

Controversial wrote: ↑01 Nov 2017, 15:07

APerno wrote: ↑01 Nov 2017, 14:32 I found two for Tyson, Biggs and Holmes - for both fights he is listed at 5' 11 1/2" - sounds too tall to me; wrong but consistent. His reach, both times is posted at 71"

Yes that's what he was normally listed as, he was never that tall. That's what I mean they never appear to be official stats, they can't be as they are often wrong. It's probably the height his promotors told everyone he was to make him seem bigger than he was.

APerno wrote: ↑01 Nov 2017, 21:42
After Tyson lost to Douglas someone asked Angelo Dundee what he would do (if it was his problem) to get back Tyson's intimidation factor - Dundee replied (something to the effect) 'everyone now realizes that he is not that big, I would hire small men to walk around with him to make him look bigger.' (Not sure if he was trying to be funny or not.)

APerno wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 18:32

scorpio83 wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 04:54

Ambling Alp II wrote:It is odd about Wills height. I have seen it as high at 6'4. He does seem to be pretty tall. And how could reach possibly be 74" for one fight and 84" for another?

You're right. Wills did seem to be pretty tall and there is a picture of him and Luis Firpo stood next to each other before their fight. Wills was not shorter than Firpo, who was 6'2 1/2 or 6'3" and Wills stood about 6'3 or 6'4" and his reach is 76 before his fight with Tut Jackson according to one of the old newspaper archive, which is lost due to the content change from news google. I believed that whoever wrote the tale of the tape of every Wills' fights from the old newspaper back in the day didn't check the picture as evidence that he was taller than 6'2" as he stood 6'3" or 6'4".

APerno, outside of Wills vs. Weinert - tale of the tape, do you have the tale of the tape of Jack Dempsey vs. Bill Brennan World Heavyweight Title Fight, so I want to know how long were Brennan's reach?

Here we go again - you ain't going to get shite out these two unless of course the man's arms grew during middle age.- sorry.

scorpio83 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 04:48 APerno, where did you get those newspapers with the boxing tale of the tape because I wanted to look at certain fighters' tale of the tape. Before you show me that, do you have the tale of the tape of Bob Satterfield? If you watch his fights on YouTube, Satterfield did not stood 6'2" according to website and need to change, but he stood 5'10", who was two inches shorter than Ezzard Charles and stood the same height as Harold Johnson. I also want to know how long were Satterfield's arms in reach. Please compare his tale of the tape fights of Satterfield each against Ezzard Charles, Harold Johnson and Nino Valdes, so I want to know if his measurement was accurate like Sandy Saddler vs. Willie Pepp.

scorpio83 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 04:48 APerno, where did you get those newspapers with the boxing tale of the tape because I wanted to look at certain fighters' tale of the tape. Before you show me that, do you have the tale of the tape of Bob Satterfield? If you watch his fights on YouTube, Satterfield did not stood 6'2" according to website and need to change, but he stood 5'10", who was two inches shorter than Ezzard Charles and stood the same height as Harold Johnson. I also want to know how long were Satterfield's arms in reach. Please compare his tale of the tape fights of Satterfield each against Ezzard Charles, Harold Johnson and Nino Valdes, so I want to know if his measurement was accurate like Sandy Saddler vs. Willie Pepp.

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 12:03 Dempsey's chest at 89 inches in one of the readouts had me laughin......I'm sure it was 39 and seems to have been goofed with.

But it got my attention.