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Because he would get fornicating knocked out. He should focus on Parker which is 70/30 fight in the favor of Parker.


Well even Dohoupas could beat that boy. He actualy knocked out Heleniius

IronFrost wrote:Because he would get effing knocked out. He should focus on Parker which is 70/30 fight in the favor of Parker.


Well even Dohoupas could beat that boy. He actualy knocked out Heleniius

Whyte is not a good puncher and he isn't the best boxer.. He just swings.. Parker would UD him wide..

Whyte needs to go back and prove that he can beat Chisora.

Deonay or as I like to call him....Deontay....is starting to look a much better contender for 1 heavyweight. He’s in the mix. I was convinced A.J. would school him with a jab after the Washington fight but now I’m not confident, he’d be the favourite though. He does look somewhat fragile (wilder) though although maybe his athleticism will negate that.

lazboy wrote:Deonay or as I like to call him....Deontay....is starting to look a much better contender for 1 heavyweight. He’s in the mix. I was convinced A.J. would school him with a jab after the Washington fight but now I’m not confident, he’d be the favourite though. He does look somewhat fragile (wilder) though although maybe his athleticism will negate that.

I'm not sure how you come up with Wilder being "fragile" when he's never even been hurt in a fight and has won fights with one arm and one eye. AJ has already tasted the canvas and was on geek street against Whyte after a big shot. Wilder has never been dazed to that point in any fight...granted AJ has been in with the better stock. AJ would be a favorite over Wilder everywhere but I think Wilder wins the fight if it's in 2018. Any later than that, AJ's chances get better and better because he's going to get better as we go. Right now is not the time for AJ to fight Wilder. No way. Wilder would pick him apart.

I agree that Wilder's best chance is sooner rather than later, but I still think Joshua schools him even now, although I'm probably less sure about that than I was this time yesterday.

Am I the only one who thinks it rather ironic that the biggest boost to Wilder's reputation as a fighter in recent memory, are the wins over Takam and Helenius ... only they weren't his wins

This BrainFrost OP is almost as annoying as EO.

Whyte should fight him and the winner may fight AJ.

I actually think AJ is too strong now, he's losing speed because of it now.

Lou Dibella has been tweeting back and forth with Hearn that they he is firmly against this fight. I think it might be an interesting bout, with a lively build up. The sticking point is that Hearn wants options on Wilder going foward.

They made an offer of 3 million for the fight. But this is a combined purse of 3 million. With a 50/50 split that would be 1.5 per fighter. Only slightly more then what Deontay is being paid for Stiverne.

boxing_rocks wrote:This BrainFrost OP is almost as annoying as EO.

He doesn't have EO's depth of experience. He needs a lot more posts before he's ready to mount a serious challenge.

Just kidding guys.

Looking at the heavies whose reputations were affected by last night's results, I'd say (highest to lowest)

1) Carlos Takam rep much enhanced
2 ) Joseph Parker rep enhanced
3) Deontay Wilder' rep enhanced
4) Alex Povetkin rep unaffected/mildly enhanced
5) Anthony Joshua rep adversely affected
6) Dillian Whyte rep adversely affected significantly
7) Robert Helenius rep adversely affected significantly

Agree/ disagree?

candyslim wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:This BrainFrost OP is almost as annoying as EO.

He doesn't have EO's depth of experience. He needs a lot more posts before he's ready to mount a serious challenge.

Just kidding guys.

Looking at the heavies whose reputations were affected by last night's results, I'd say (highest to lowest)

1) Carlos Takam rep much enhanced
2 ) Joseph Parker rep enhanced
3) Deontay Wilder' rep enhanced
4) Alex Povetkin rep unaffected/mildly enhanced
5) Anthony Joshua rep adversely affected
6) Dillian Whyte rep adversely affected significantly
7) Robert Helenius rep adversely affected significantly

Agree/ disagree?

I agree with all of those except Joshua. I'd give AJ a neutral. It wasn't pretty but he did what he had to do.

Everyone laughed at the Wilder-Duhapaus defense, but the Frenchman hasn't looked too bad since then.

Whyte's not really in a position to be protected, or pick and choose which titlist he gets a shot against. If he gets a shot at Wilder he'd be wise to take it.

Tony1244 wrote:

candyslim wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:This BrainFrost OP is almost as annoying as EO.

He doesn't have EO's depth of experience. He needs a lot more posts before he's ready to mount a serious challenge.

Just kidding guys.

Looking at the heavies whose reputations were affected by last night's results, I'd say (highest to lowest)

1) Carlos Takam rep much enhanced
2 ) Joseph Parker rep enhanced
3) Deontay Wilder' rep enhanced
4) Alex Povetkin rep unaffected/mildly enhanced
5) Anthony Joshua rep adversely affected
6) Dillian Whyte rep adversely affected significantly
7) Robert Helenius rep adversely affected significantly

Agree/ disagree?

I agree with all of those except Joshua. I'd give AJ a neutral. It wasn't pretty but he did what he had to do.

Everyone laughed at the Wilder-Duhapaus defense, but the Frenchman hasn't looked too bad since then.

I was considering AJ unaffected/mildly adversely affected but judging from posts on here it is clear there has been a shift toward Wilder from Joshua. I'm not saying Wilder is now favourite to beat AJ but there has definitely been movement in that direction (even from me). For that reason I felt Josh had to go down as adversely affected. What's the rule, 'for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction' ?

One thing I've given Duhaupas credit for is his toughness. I've said several times on here that Takam v Duhaupas for the French title is an obvious match up. The champion is I believe Cyrille Leonet and I'd give odds against him going the distance with either of them or indeed Tony Yoka.

How exactly has Wilders rep been enhanced from this?

AJ won virtually every round against Takam, a guy who has never been steamrolled by anyone. Don't forget he was neck and neck with half of boxrecs boxing god Povetkin before the knockout.

AJ just passed another test, the type of test that Wilder has never taken. The people here who feel this performance negatively affected him are looking a little too hard.

On the topic of this post, Wilder would absolutely slaughter Dillian Whyte. I'd rather see Wilder and Takam so we can see how Wilder handles a good opponent.

Uncle Eddie will make sure Whyte only gets starched if he is Wilder's new promoter. Deontay is in good shape as far as the Whyte negotiating. AJ wants that fight and if Whyte gets to mandatory than Wilder can just get to a purse bid and make the A side cash. Though that would take away any rematch clause.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Uncle Eddie will make sure Whyte only gets starched if he is Wilder's new promoter. Deontay is in good shape as far as the Whyte negotiating. AJ wants that fight and if Whyte gets to mandatory than Wilder can just get to a purse bid and make the A side cash. Though that would take away any rematch clause.

Hearn must be laughing at how much of a bargaining chip the uneducated section of the boxing public has made Whyte. Wilder is licking his chops on this one.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Uncle Eddie will make sure Whyte only gets starched if he is Wilder's new promoter. Deontay is in good shape as far as the Whyte negotiating. AJ wants that fight and if Whyte gets to mandatory than Wilder can just get to a purse bid and make the A side cash. Though that would take away any rematch clause.

Definitely. Hearn wants the Wilder fight for Whyte to build the Joshua Wilder fight but he wants everything stacked in his favour. Wilder will take that fight on his terms and Hearn will still throw Whyte in regardless as they will take any title shot for Whyte that they can get. Whyte v Joshua 2 doesn't sell unless Whyte beats Wilder.

Maybe enhanced isn't the right word, but there are undeniably a significant number of people on boxrec who rate Wilder's chances of beating Joshua higher than they did yesterday. I've litttle doubt this is the case in the wider community among hardcore, and casuals/ general sports fans too. Whether you call it enhanced or improved relative to the competition or whatever way you want to describe it, I don't think that alters the basic premise.

You see how Whyte's chances have been pretty much written off as a result of this victory over Helenius so although Wilder's reputation technically can't have improved in as much as he hasn't fought for many months, his reputation has improved relative to Whyte's'

Reputation is all about perception.

candyslim wrote:Maybe enhanced isn't the right word, but there are undeniably a significant number of people on boxrec who rate Wilder's chances of beating Joshua higher than they did yesterday. I've litttle doubt this is the case in the wider community among hardcore, and casuals/ general sports fans too. Whether you call it enhanced or improved relative to the competition or whatever way you want to describe it, I don't think that alters the basic premise.

You see how Whyte's chances have been pretty much written off as a result of this victory over Helenius so although Wilder's reputation technically can't have improved in as much as he hasn't fought for many months, his reputation has improved relative to Whyte's'

Reputation is all about perception.

And as I said, that perception is ill-founded and coming from a camp that believe AJ should have crushed Takam quickly. AJ was in complete control the whole way. Wilder is what he has always been; a HEAVY puncher with poor technical skills who windmills big looping shots.

Whyte has been overrated ever since he managed to hit AJ. Whyte was never close to world class.

candyslim wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

candyslim wrote:
He doesn't have EO's depth of experience. He needs a lot more posts before he's ready to mount a serious challenge.

Just kidding guys.

Looking at the heavies whose reputations were affected by last night's results, I'd say (highest to lowest)

1) Carlos Takam rep much enhanced
2 ) Joseph Parker rep enhanced
3) Deontay Wilder' rep enhanced
4) Alex Povetkin rep unaffected/mildly enhanced
5) Anthony Joshua rep adversely affected
6) Dillian Whyte rep adversely affected significantly
7) Robert Helenius rep adversely affected significantly

Agree/ disagree?

I agree with all of those except Joshua. I'd give AJ a neutral. It wasn't pretty but he did what he had to do.

Everyone laughed at the Wilder-Duhapaus defense, but the Frenchman hasn't looked too bad since then.

I was considering AJ unaffected/mildly adversely affected but judging from posts on here it is clear there has been a shift toward Wilder from Joshua. I'm not saying Wilder is now favourite to beat AJ but there has definitely been movement in that direction (even from me). For that reason I felt Josh had to go down as adversely affected. What's the rule, 'for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction' ?

One thing I've given Duhaupas credit for is his toughness. I've said several times on here that Takam v Duhaupas for the French title is an obvious match up. The champion is I believe Cyrille Leonet and I'd give odds against him going the distance with either of them or indeed Tony Yoka.

Fair enough. AJ didn't beat the street's high expectations. I was thinking while watching: maybe Wilder can beat AJ after all.

Tony1244 wrote:

candyslim wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:
I agree with all of those except Joshua. I'd give AJ a neutral. It wasn't pretty but he did what he had to do.

Everyone laughed at the Wilder-Duhapaus defense, but the Frenchman hasn't looked too bad since then.

I was considering AJ unaffected/mildly adversely affected but judging from posts on here it is clear there has been a shift toward Wilder from Joshua. I'm not saying Wilder is now favourite to beat AJ but there has definitely been movement in that direction (even from me). For that reason I felt Josh had to go down as adversely affected. What's the rule, 'for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction' ?

One thing I've given Duhaupas credit for is his toughness. I've said several times on here that Takam v Duhaupas for the French title is an obvious match up. The champion is I believe Cyrille Leonet and I'd give odds against him going the distance with either of them or indeed Tony Yoka.

Fair enough. AJ didn't beat the street's high expectations. I was thinking while watching: maybe Wilder can beat AJ after all.

AJ eats too many right hands for anyone not to give Wilder a chance. AJ is much better technically and they both only need one, but I think Wilder's chances look better than they did on Friday. Not that Joshua looked bad.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

candyslim wrote:
I was considering AJ unaffected/mildly adversely affected but judging from posts on here it is clear there has been a shift toward Wilder from Joshua. I'm not saying Wilder is now favourite to beat AJ but there has definitely been movement in that direction (even from me). For that reason I felt Josh had to go down as adversely affected. What's the rule, 'for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction' ?

One thing I've given Duhaupas credit for is his toughness. I've said several times on here that Takam v Duhaupas for the French title is an obvious match up. The champion is I believe Cyrille Leonet and I'd give odds against him going the distance with either of them or indeed Tony Yoka.

Fair enough. AJ didn't beat the street's high expectations. I was thinking while watching: maybe Wilder can beat AJ after all.

AJ eats too many right hands for anyone not to give Wilder a chance. AJ is much better technically and they both only need one, but I think Wilder's chances look better than they did on Friday. Not that Joshua looked bad.

AJ is susceptible to a right but at least he has proven he can take one from a big puncher and come back. Wilder has never proven his mettle like that, unless people count the long lost Harold Sconiers experience. I still have doubts about Wilder's constitution and would confidently pick Joshua to just walk through Wilder.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:
Fair enough. AJ didn't beat the street's high expectations. I was thinking while watching: maybe Wilder can beat AJ after all.

AJ eats too many right hands for anyone not to give Wilder a chance. AJ is much better technically and they both only need one, but I think Wilder's chances look better than they did on Friday. Not that Joshua looked bad.

AJ is susceptible to a right but at least he has proven he can take one from a big puncher and come back. Wilder has never proven his mettle like that, unless people count the long lost Harold Sconiers experience. I still have doubts about Wilder's constitution and would confidently pick Joshua to just walk through Wilder.

I'd pick Joshua too, he might flatten Wilder in 2 minutes. That being said, he can't take more than a few bombs and remain upright. 65/35, if the odds are as confident as you are I'll have as much on Deontay as I did on Lubin. Either would smash an 'in shape' Fury and Wilder is a bigger favorite against Whyte than AJ is over him.

candyslim wrote: 1) Carlos Takam rep much enhanced
2 ) Joseph Parker rep enhanced
3) Deontay Wilder' rep enhanced
4) Alex Povetkin rep unaffected/mildly enhanced
5) Anthony Joshua rep adversely affected
6) Dillian Whyte rep adversely affected significantly
7) Robert Helenius rep adversely affected significantly

Agree/ disagree?

1: I always had respect for Takem, thought he was a better opponent than Pulev. Was impressed at the shape he came in too.
2: I've seen the Parker fight twice because it was his first decent opponent and he did well, they are both about the same size and it was close. It still does not make me any more confident regarding Parker AJ though.
3: I can't see Wilders rep enhanced? He still needs a decent fight to get a rep.
4: meh.
5: Still only AJ's 20th fight. People forget that. Actulayy it was Parker's 20th ish fight too, I forgot that
6: Yeah, his stock dropped. It was tedious like Parker Fury. No one wants that.
7: The Viking has a place in boxing. Good sparring partner to tune up for big guys, and maybe a gatekeeper at Euro level.

caldo2025 wrote:

lazboy wrote:Deonay or as I like to call him....Deontay....is starting to look a much better contender for 1 heavyweight. He’s in the mix. I was convinced A.J. would school him with a jab after the Washington fight but now I’m not confident, he’d be the favourite though. He does look somewhat fragile (wilder) though although maybe his athleticism will negate that.

I'm not sure how you come up with Wilder being "fragile" when he's never even been hurt in a fight and has won fights with one arm and one eye. AJ has already tasted the canvas and was on geek street against Whyte after a big shot. Wilder has never been dazed to that point in any fight...granted AJ has been in with the better stock. AJ would be a favorite over Wilder everywhere but I think Wilder wins the fight if it's in 2018. Any later than that, AJ's chances get better and better because he's going to get better as we go. Right now is not the time for AJ to fight Wilder. No way. Wilder would pick him apart.

Wilder clearly has been shaken up. To suggest otherwise is untrue. That’s not even opinion, that’s history.

Does wilder pick people apart? I don’t see him beating Joshua that way. He could crack him with an overhand right on the button. Pick him apart though? Haven’t seen him fight like that

punchoutsb wrote:How exactly has Wilders rep been enhanced from this?

AJ won virtually every round against Takam, a guy who has never been steamrolled by anyone. Don't forget he was neck and neck with half of boxrecs boxing god Povetkin before the knockout.

AJ just passed another test, the type of test that Wilder has never taken. The people here who feel this performance negatively affected him are looking a little too hard.

On the topic of this post, Wilder would absolutely slaughter Dillian Whyte. I'd rather see Wilder and Takam so we can see how Wilder handles a good opponent.

Well said mate. Bit of perspective