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ewenhay wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 19:25 I think it's a tough fight for Tyson at any time but his best chances are definitely pre 90.

Kalan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 23:03 Mike Tyson reached his peak at 21 like Joe Louis... Once he achieved massive world wide fame and found he could screw women left and right he fell off the express train he was riding.. He had much better competition in the division than Louis faced -- so he didn't get away with it...

Michael Spinks was his 35th professional fight and his peak fight.. it was only June but it was Mike's 3rd fight of 1988.. He was in training full time and full tilt for 3 years up to that point, with very few breaks of no more than a week or two.. He would say, "Keep me busy. I don't want long vacations. I don't feel right laying around. I'm full of nervous energy and anxious to get cracking" ... Hard training became a habit -- a good habit.. In Mike Tyson's case, he needed a lot of activity and fights to stay sharp..

After the Michael Spinks Unification Fight, Tyson's fame and popularity was at it's peak.. TV sports programs replayed that 90 second KO again and again.. Tyson had more invitations than he could handle.. He was like Jack Dempsey in the 1920's -- everybody loved him.. The Spinks fight was over before it started -- so he could have fought another Title Fight the next day.. But he didn't fight again for 8 months.

You can separate Mike Tyson's career in 2 parts -- his first 35 fights which he fought in 3 years -- and his last 21 fights which he fought in 17 years.

golden oldie wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 21:54 There is a story that does the rounds where they were at some pre olympic trials, in which Tyson tried to intimidate some " athletes " at a pool table, and Holy put manners on him. So yeah, Holy ALWAYS frightened Tyson, and would ALWAYS have got to him psychologically. When intimidation doesn't work, you either have to put up, or shut up, and Tyson was always gonna SHUT UP where EVander was concerned.

Let's not forget Tyson only took the fight with Holy in 96 after the crap performance against Bobby Czyz, and the FALSE rumour Holy had a heartbeat irregularity.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 07:28

golden oldie wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 21:54 There is a story that does the rounds where they were at some pre olympic trials, in which Tyson tried to intimidate some " athletes " at a pool table, and Holy put manners on him. So yeah, Holy ALWAYS frightened Tyson, and would ALWAYS have got to him psychologically. When intimidation doesn't work, you either have to put up, or shut up, and Tyson was always gonna SHUT UP where EVander was concerned.

Let's not forget Tyson only took the fight with Holy in 96 after the crap performance against Bobby Czyz, and the FALSE rumour Holy had a heartbeat irregularity.

I’ve heard various versions of this story, and others concerning sparring etc. I’ve no doubt Holyfield did not fear mike. And making his opponents scared was a big part of tyson.

I just don’t buy it’s enough to beat tyson for them early years

golden oldie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 22:21

Kalan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2017, 23:03 Mike Tyson reached his peak at 21 like Joe Louis... Once he achieved massive world wide fame and found he could screw women left and right he fell off the express train he was riding.. He had much better competition in the division than Louis faced -- so he didn't get away with it...

Michael Spinks was his 35th professional fight and his peak fight.. it was only June but it was Mike's 3rd fight of 1988.. He was in training full time and full tilt for 3 years up to that point, with very few breaks of no more than a week or two.. He would say, "Keep me busy. I don't want long vacations. I don't feel right laying around. I'm full of nervous energy and anxious to get cracking" ... Hard training became a habit -- a good habit.. In Mike Tyson's case, he needed a lot of activity and fights to stay sharp..

After the Michael Spinks Unification Fight, Tyson's fame and popularity was at it's peak.. TV sports programs replayed that 90 second KO again and again.. Tyson had more invitations than he could handle.. He was like Jack Dempsey in the 1920's -- everybody loved him.. The Spinks fight was over before it started -- so he could have fought another Title Fight the next day.. But he didn't fight again for 8 months.

You can separate Mike Tyson's career in 2 parts -- his first 35 fights which he fought in 3 years -- and his last 21 fights which he fought in 17 years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And in the 40's Joe Louis " allegedly " liked heroin. And in the 60's / 70's Ali loved screwing with women, as fast as you could shove them under him. The difference being, in those day's people got criticised for their faults. In Tyson's era, and ever since it is EVERYBODY else's fault they get exposed.

Chippo wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 10:02

Kalan wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 01:57 In the 60's and 70's when you worked out in weight lifting gyms, relatively few women were paying for gym memberships and doing strength training in gyms... Nowadays there's more women than men working out -- most of them decked out in sexy and expensive Lululemons and doing workouts to enlarge, strengthen, and shape their glutes... They're extremely competitive... If you go at 5 or 6PM it's a freakin' meat market..

Better to wait until 8 where at least you can get your workout done in due course.. but they're still there flirting like Hell.. If I were single and in my 20's there's some good pickings in a lot of these gyms.. Tyson and Evander would have field days..

WTF

golden oldie wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 11:52

Ossyrules wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 10:00 ]

Think you’re looking thru tinted glasses on this post oldie.

I honestly don't think so Ossy, this is a " blame someone else " society. People committing crimes, and claiming it is because the father was a junkie, or mother was a drunk etc, etc. Other people failing in their chosen careers and looking to blame everyone else but themselves. No one seems to want to take responsibility for their own wrong doings.

golden oldie wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 07:37

Controversial wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 15:43 Invariably it is a fighters fault they don't reach their full potential. Dedication, professionalism and desire can't really be taught, some fighters have these qualities built in, many don't. Tyson had these to a point, the point up until he was a multi millionaire and superstar, once he reached that pinnacle he didn't try so hard anymore.

Agreed.

However in Tyson's case the excuses range from it was Old Tomato, and or Jim Jacobs fault for dying. Rooney's fault for upsetting Tyson enough to get fired. Don King's fault for being Don King. Trainers in the corner with condom's full of water for end swell. The list is endless, and 99% bollox.

Ossyrules wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 15:08

golden oldie wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 11:52

Ossyrules wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 10:00 ]

Think you’re looking thru tinted glasses on this post oldie.

I honestly don't think so Ossy, this is a " blame someone else " society. People committing crimes, and claiming it is because the father was a junkie, or mother was a drunk etc, etc. Other people failing in their chosen careers and looking to blame everyone else but themselves. No one seems to want to take responsibility for their own wrong doings.

I do get where you’re coming from, but just not too sure about this applying in boxing

I don’t recall much sympathy when Wlad got exposed early in his career at the top level for example

Chippo wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 09:55

mimmy123 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 08:54 I think Tyson would have beaten Holyfield around the time of the Spinks fight. Tyson upto then scared the shite out of every boxer, look at Spinks face when the ref was giving instructions. Spinks was never going to win because he didnt have self belief he was going to and thats what all his opponents thought too.

Once Douglas beat Tyson the myth was gone and made way for more defeats.

Tyson wasnt handled correctly, he was the number 1 cash cow boxing had waited for since the start of time and everyone and everybody wanted to exploit that to the max. Unfortunately i dont think Mike was on the ball with what was happening to his life and his career, no one stopped him because he was Mike Tyson the baddest man out their and was a spewing cash register.

Had Mike been mentored by the right management team who cared for Mike Tyson he would have dominated far longer.

I suppose with the intellegence Mike had and everyone let him do as he wanted he possibly believed he was untouchable inside and outside tbe ring.

Mike Tyson in 2017 is proberly the nicest man you could possibly meet, he learned the hard way but he was definately from the school of the hard knocks.

I still think in 1986 Tyson would have beaten any heavyweight in history but his life longability in boxing was possibly only 12 - 18 months. But those months was a spectacular time for boxing. Tyson was the baddest man on the planet, the best ever heavyweight boxer the world has produced, something we will never witness again.

Wasn't handled correctly? He was handled and managed to the undisputed world heavyweight championship, vast fortunes and global megastardom. Perhaps the people around him thought he was a grown man and able to wipe his own arse.

Chippo wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 10:32

mimmy123 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 10:27

Chippo wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 09:55

Wasn't handled correctly? He was handled and managed to the undisputed world heavyweight championship, vast fortunes and global megastardom. Perhaps the people around him thought he was a grown man and able to wipe his own arse.

Garbage.

If you told me day after day for 10 years that my dick was actually 7 inches not 6 I would believe you.

Poor little Mike eh? His management team created a life of untold wealth, celebrity and ring success for him, those swine. How dare they.

You might think that Mike's rape conviction, bankruptcy, various criminal misdemeanours and poor condition for the Buster Douglas fight and onwards are his own fault. But you'd be wrong, it was in fact the fault of the men in suits who pushed him into those acts.

Controversial wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 10:34 Tyson was cutting corners in training long before he fought Douglas, he just got away with it. Even if Tyson had a strong team behind him I'm not sure it would've made a lot of difference, he was always an accident waiting to happen, too unstable. Like most people in his position the fame and fortune went to his head, he thought he was unbeatable.

mimmy123 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2017, 08:54 I think Tyson would have beaten Holyfield around the time of the Spinks fight. Tyson upto then scared the shite out of every boxer, look at Spinks face when the ref was giving instructions. Spinks was never going to win because he didnt have self belief he was going to and thats what all his opponents thought too.

Once Douglas beat Tyson the myth was gone and made way for more defeats.

Tyson wasnt handled correctly, he was the number 1 cash cow boxing had waited for since the start of time and everyone and everybody wanted to exploit that to the max. Unfortunately i dont think Mike was on the ball with what was happening to his life and his career, no one stopped him because he was Mike Tyson the baddest man out their and was a spewing cash register.

Had Mike been mentored by the right management team who cared for Mike Tyson he would have dominated far longer.

I suppose with the intellegence Mike had and everyone let him do as he wanted he possibly believed he was untouchable inside and outside tbe ring.

Mike Tyson in 2017 is proberly the nicest man you could possibly meet, he learned the hard way but he was definately from the school of the hard knocks.

I still think in 1986 Tyson would have beaten any heavyweight in history but his life longability in boxing was possibly only 12 - 18 months. But those months was a spectacular time for boxing. Tyson was the baddest man on the planet, the best ever heavyweight boxer the world has produced, something we will never witness again.