finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 00:30
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Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 00:43
He's a great promoter. It's not his job to arrange the toughest fight for the same money.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 03:41
This is going to be a saga. All sorts of crap is going to be slung before anything happens. And even if they actually manage to sign a deal, it still might not happen.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 07:53
Do you blame Hearn though? This buzz for this fight is nowhere near the level it needs to be to cash in on it. I'm sure that Hearn is concerned about Wilder defeating AJ right now at this stage and stopping the momentum and money stream but I think it's more about capitalizing on the next biggest fight. I think that it's starting to buzz now...one more fight...perhaps two and then it will be time to pick that fruit. People can say what they want about Hearn but he's the promoter of the year in my eyes.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 08:01
If you follow the sport of boxing, either via this forum or via the media, you'd appreciate the fact that Deontay Wilder actually confirmed the offer that Eddie Hearn submitted.
Both men not only quoted the same figures, but they also quoted the same terms (i.e. prerequisites).
That cannot happen if an offer wasn't made.
Deontay cannot pretend that something didn't happen when he had previously confirmed that it did.
Shelly Finkel and Lou DiBella seem to forget the fact that Deontay Wilder had previously quoted the terms of Eddie Hearn's offer.
Team Wilder did not submit a counter offer, so their criticism of Hearn is meaningless, because of their hypocrisy.
You cannot criticise somebody for NOT doing something if you did NOT do it yourself.
Anybody reading that article needs to consider those irrefutable facts.
What I've said in this post isn't even up for debate, because it can be independently verified within seconds.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 08:27
If Hearn refuses to assure Wilder that he gets Joshua next, if he agrees to fight Whyte, the dollar amount is irrelevant and not worth debating.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 08:01If you follow the sport of boxing, either via this forum or via the media, you'd appreciate the fact that Deontay Wilder actually confirmed the offer that Eddie Hearn submitted.
Both men not only quoted the same figures, but they also quoted the same terms (i.e. prerequisites).
That cannot happen if an offer wasn't made.
Deontay cannot pretend that something didn't happen when he had previously confirmed that it did.
Shelly Finkel and Lou DiBella seem to forget the fact that Deontay Wilder had previously quoted the terms of Eddie Hearn's offer.
Team Wilder did not submit a counter offer, so their criticism of Hearn is meaningless, because of their hypocrisy.
You cannot criticise somebody for NOT doing something if you did NOT do it yourself.
Anybody reading that article needs to consider those irrefutable facts.
What I've said in this post isn't even up for debate, because it can be independently verified within seconds.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 08:49
Shelly Finkel, Lou DiBella and Deontay Wilder cannot pretend that Eddie Hearn doesn’t want to promote a bout between ‘The Bronze Bomber’ and Anthony Joshua, when they openly admit the fact that he was the only person that initiated negotiations to stage that fight.Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 08:27If Hearn refuses to assure Wilder that he gets Joshua next, if he agrees to fight Whyte, the dollar amount is irrelevant and not worth debating.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 08:01If you follow the sport of boxing, either via this forum or via the media, you'd appreciate the fact that Deontay Wilder actually confirmed the offer that Eddie Hearn submitted.
Both men not only quoted the same figures, but they also quoted the same terms (i.e. prerequisites).
That cannot happen if an offer wasn't made.
Deontay cannot pretend that something didn't happen when he had previously confirmed that it did.
Shelly Finkel and Lou DiBella seem to forget the fact that Deontay Wilder had previously quoted the terms of Eddie Hearn's offer.
Team Wilder did not submit a counter offer, so their criticism of Hearn is meaningless, because of their hypocrisy.
You cannot criticise somebody for NOT doing something if you did NOT do it yourself.
Anybody reading that article needs to consider those irrefutable facts.
What I've said in this post isn't even up for debate, because it can be independently verified within seconds.
Team Wilder also concedes that they did not propose a counter offer to Team Joshua.
The situation is really that simple.
The claims proposed by the article are incredibly absurd, which was the sole reason why I challenged its content.
It’s clearly your prerogative to defend Deontay Wilder’s honour at all cost, but you cannot seriously pretend that what I’ve written is untrue?
Whilst you personally might not be “happy” about the nature of Eddie Hearn’s offer, you cannot deny that it happened.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 08:56
I'm not denying the offer didn't happen, quite the contrary. I said Hearn needs to guarantee Wilder the Joshua fight next as part of the offer, or any offer he makes is a waste of time, imo. Finkle said they will make the Whyte fight easily if Joshua is guaranteed. Hearn has backtracked from what he first said about getting the Joshua fight next if Wilder fights Whyte.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 08:49Shelly Finkel, Lou DiBella and Deontay Wilder cannot pretend that Eddie Hearn doesn’t want to promote a bout between ‘The Bronze Bomber’ and Anthony Joshua, when they openly admit the fact that he was the only person that initiated negotiations to stage that fight.Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 08:27If Hearn refuses to assure Wilder that he gets Joshua next, if he agrees to fight Whyte, the dollar amount is irrelevant and not worth debating.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 08:01
If you follow the sport of boxing, either via this forum or via the media, you'd appreciate the fact that Deontay Wilder actually confirmed the offer that Eddie Hearn submitted.
Both men not only quoted the same figures, but they also quoted the same terms (i.e. prerequisites).
That cannot happen if an offer wasn't made.
Deontay cannot pretend that something didn't happen when he had previously confirmed that it did.
Shelly Finkel and Lou DiBella seem to forget the fact that Deontay Wilder had previously quoted the terms of Eddie Hearn's offer.
Team Wilder did not submit a counter offer, so their criticism of Hearn is meaningless, because of their hypocrisy.
You cannot criticise somebody for NOT doing something if you did NOT do it yourself.
Anybody reading that article needs to consider those irrefutable facts.
What I've said in this post isn't even up for debate, because it can be independently verified within seconds.
Team Wilder also concedes that they did not propose a counter offer to Team Joshua.
The situation is really that simple.
The claims proposed by the article are incredibly absurd, which was the sole reason why I challenged its content.
It’s clearly your prerogative to defend Deontay Wilder’s honour at all cost, but you cannot seriously pretend that what I’ve written is untrue?
Whilst you personally might not be “happy” about the nature of Eddie Hearn’s offer, you cannot deny that it happened.
Damn, I'm tired of hashing over the same shit. Not that hard to understand.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 09:43
Trust me, we are tired of you hashing over the same shiteBadhusker wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 08:56I'm not denying the offer didn't happen, quite the contrary. I said Hearn needs to guarantee Wilder the Joshua fight next as part of the offer, or any offer he makes is a waste of time, imo. Finkle said they will make the Whyte fight easily if Joshua is guaranteed. Hearn has backtracked from what he first said about getting the Joshua fight next if Wilder fights Whyte.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 08:49Shelly Finkel, Lou DiBella and Deontay Wilder cannot pretend that Eddie Hearn doesn’t want to promote a bout between ‘The Bronze Bomber’ and Anthony Joshua, when they openly admit the fact that he was the only person that initiated negotiations to stage that fight.
Team Wilder also concedes that they did not propose a counter offer to Team Joshua.
The situation is really that simple.
The claims proposed by the article are incredibly absurd, which was the sole reason why I challenged its content.
It’s clearly your prerogative to defend Deontay Wilder’s honour at all cost, but you cannot seriously pretend that what I’ve written is untrue?
Whilst you personally might not be “happy” about the nature of Eddie Hearn’s offer, you cannot deny that it happened.
Damn, I'm tired of hashing over the same poo. Not that hard to understand.
Genuine question, do future opponents get negotiated into a contract to fight an immediate opponent. Bear in mind all the variables in play to get the Joshua vs wilder fight made.
If they are a regular thing can you cite any examples of when this happened?
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 10:42
The fight will take place when it is the most financially rewarding to do so.
Wilders team know this, which is why they haven't made an offer themselves. They know the fight makes most money in the UK, so an offer from them would be pointless.
The fight will happen next summer at Wembly I'm sure, both men will have a fight beforehand, possibly on the same card.
Wilders team know this, which is why they haven't made an offer themselves. They know the fight makes most money in the UK, so an offer from them would be pointless.
The fight will happen next summer at Wembly I'm sure, both men will have a fight beforehand, possibly on the same card.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 12:41
You’ve raised an excellent point.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 14:52
Sharing an article by the artist formerly known as Scott Gilfoid, is a step in the wrong direction.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 15:51
No idea who finkel is, but this Fabio Meldonado guy just doesn't deserve to fight a real champ.
He might act like Shannon Briggs, but at least Shannon offered a record payday to Wilder when he became a champion and actually, the payday Shannon Briggs offered is still higher as Wilder ever made during any fight in the ring.
I wonder if Rostislav Plechko would destroy Wilder in one round as well, he would destroy Stiverne in 1 round, that's for sure.
He might act like Shannon Briggs, but at least Shannon offered a record payday to Wilder when he became a champion and actually, the payday Shannon Briggs offered is still higher as Wilder ever made during any fight in the ring.
I wonder if Rostislav Plechko would destroy Wilder in one round as well, he would destroy Stiverne in 1 round, that's for sure.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 17:19
I’d like to hear the response. There’s plenty things I don’t know in boxing, and if future fights are negotiated and written into contracts for current fights, then that’s one of them!
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 21:58
Find it hard to blame Hearn and AJ for not wanting the fight when Wilder's team have made no effort to make it happen. You can't just say "You haven't made me an offer, that means you're ducking me!", when you haven't made an offer yourself. If Wilder's team make a legit offer for the AJ fight and AJ and his team reject it and go for anything other than a Fury fight, then you can criticise them for avoiding Wilder.
Also, what's this stuff Wilder is saying about him having wanted the AJ fight for a long time? Wilder has been WBC champion since January 2015, if its true that he's wanted the fight for ages why didn't he make Joshua a big offer in the time when he was champion and AJ wasn't? Seems like revisionism that since AJ becomes unified champion and the biggest star in the division, Wilder now says he's wanted the fight for ages.
Also, what's this stuff Wilder is saying about him having wanted the AJ fight for a long time? Wilder has been WBC champion since January 2015, if its true that he's wanted the fight for ages why didn't he make Joshua a big offer in the time when he was champion and AJ wasn't? Seems like revisionism that since AJ becomes unified champion and the biggest star in the division, Wilder now says he's wanted the fight for ages.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 23:17
A response?Ossyrules wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 17:19I’d like to hear the response. There’s plenty things I don’t know in boxing, and if future fights are negotiated and written into contracts for current fights, then that’s one of them!
Guess who made the offer of a future fight to Finkle?! Hearn told him if Wilder fights White, he gets Joshua next. They called his bluff. Hearn shuts up. Maybe you should too. 
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 23:28
even if its not in the contract to fight aj next wilder should take a whyte fight if he really is being offered 3-4m. although i think some ppl have mentioned there were ridiculous options to hearn in the contract?i have no idea but if there arent, 3-4m for whyte is a great deal. wilder has been beating up similar opponents for 1/3 or 1/4 of that.
and if wilder did come to the uk and beat whyte as hearn as challenged, even if aj isnt guarnteed it would make wilder look better , as he at least 'did his part', as well as getting more uk exposure,
and if wilder did come to the uk and beat whyte as hearn as challenged, even if aj isnt guarnteed it would make wilder look better , as he at least 'did his part', as well as getting more uk exposure,
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 08 Nov 2017, 03:19
You haven’t got a clueBadhusker wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 23:17A response?
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 08 Nov 2017, 04:31
Look... This whole thing is stupid. Wilder isn't respected by UK fans because he hasn't beaten anyone. What if Deontay goes out in a couple rounds like undefeated Charles Martin??? They tried to get a measure of Wilder's ability by fighting Molina.. It wasn't encouraging.. If Wilder went to the UK for 3 million to fight Dillian Whyte he's got the Joshua fight IF he can win.. Maybe he can't win.. Maybe Whyte beats his brains in.
How do you say "When do we get Joshua?" ... when you haven't fought anyone as good as Whyte. Come pick up a few million. Fight Whyte. There's not 7 million in the Whyte fight like you asked for -- there's 3 million for you to fight Whyte.. And if you do well there's Joshua.
How do you say "When do we get Joshua?" ... when you haven't fought anyone as good as Whyte. Come pick up a few million. Fight Whyte. There's not 7 million in the Whyte fight like you asked for -- there's 3 million for you to fight Whyte.. And if you do well there's Joshua.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 08 Nov 2017, 08:28
I think he should fight Whyte and take the money. It should be a much higher than normal payday for him if he travels there to fight him. All I was pointing out is that it was Hearn that made the offer of him getting Joshua if he beat Whyte. Finkle just called him on it an told him to put his money where his mouth was and put it in writing. They know Hearn isn't a man of his word.Kalan wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 04:31 Look... This whole thing is stupid. Wilder isn't respected by UK fans because he hasn't beaten anyone. What if Deontay goes out in a couple rounds like undefeated Charles Martin??? They tried to get a measure of Wilder's ability by fighting Molina.. It wasn't encouraging.. If Wilder went to the UK for 3 million to fight Dillian Whyte he's got the Joshua fight IF he can win.. Maybe he can't win.. Maybe Whyte beats his brains in.
How do you say "When do we get Joshua?" ... when you haven't fought anyone as good as Whyte. Come pick up a few million. Fight Whyte. There's not 7 million in the Whyte fight like you asked for -- there's 3 million for you to fight Whyte.. And if you do well there's Joshua.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 08 Nov 2017, 08:38
And the response is, how do you expect what’s written down in a whyte contract concerning Joshua to mean anything!? Do you think they will negotiate 2 deals in advance for these guys! I understand you’ve admitted bias before for wilder but please quit the clueless shiteBadhusker wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 08:28I think he should fight Whyte and take the money. It should be a much higher than normal payday for him if he travels there to fight him. All I was pointing out is that it was Hearn that made the offer of him getting Joshua if he beat Whyte. Finkle just called him on it an told him to put his money where his mouth was and put it in writing. They know Hearn isn't a man of his word.Kalan wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 04:31 Look... This whole thing is stupid. Wilder isn't respected by UK fans because he hasn't beaten anyone. What if Deontay goes out in a couple rounds like undefeated Charles Martin??? They tried to get a measure of Wilder's ability by fighting Molina.. It wasn't encouraging.. If Wilder went to the UK for 3 million to fight Dillian Whyte he's got the Joshua fight IF he can win.. Maybe he can't win.. Maybe Whyte beats his brains in.
How do you say "When do we get Joshua?" ... when you haven't fought anyone as good as Whyte. Come pick up a few million. Fight Whyte. There's not 7 million in the Whyte fight like you asked for -- there's 3 million for you to fight Whyte.. And if you do well there's Joshua.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 08 Nov 2017, 08:41
+1, he offers Stiverne 400k or something like that, and now he expects Whyte to pay him 7 mil?! That's riciculous, just accept the 3 or 4 mil, which is very very well payed, or offer Whyte 3 or 4 mil and fight in your own place. 4 mil is at least double the highest payday Wilder ever made in the ring. And he got a fair case in challenging AJ on top of it and it's not like Whyte is mission impossible to defeat.Badhusker wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 08:28I think he should fight Whyte and take the money. It should be a much higher than normal payday for him if he travels there to fight him. All I was pointing out is that it was Hearn that made the offer of him getting Joshua if he beat Whyte. Finkle just called him on it an told him to put his money where his mouth was and put it in writing. They know Hearn isn't a man of his word.Kalan wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 04:31 Look... This whole thing is stupid. Wilder isn't respected by UK fans because he hasn't beaten anyone. What if Deontay goes out in a couple rounds like undefeated Charles Martin??? They tried to get a measure of Wilder's ability by fighting Molina.. It wasn't encouraging.. If Wilder went to the UK for 3 million to fight Dillian Whyte he's got the Joshua fight IF he can win.. Maybe he can't win.. Maybe Whyte beats his brains in.
How do you say "When do we get Joshua?" ... when you haven't fought anyone as good as Whyte. Come pick up a few million. Fight Whyte. There's not 7 million in the Whyte fight like you asked for -- there's 3 million for you to fight Whyte.. And if you do well there's Joshua.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 08 Nov 2017, 09:02
Ossyrules wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 08:38And the response is, how do you expect what’s written down in a whyte contract concerning Joshua to mean anything!? Do you think they will negotiate 2 deals in advance for these guys! I understand you’ve admitted bias before for wilder but please quit the clueless shiteBadhusker wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 08:28I think he should fight Whyte and take the money. It should be a much higher than normal payday for him if he travels there to fight him. All I was pointing out is that it was Hearn that made the offer of him getting Joshua if he beat Whyte. Finkle just called him on it an told him to put his money where his mouth was and put it in writing. They know Hearn isn't a man of his word.Kalan wrote: ↑08 Nov 2017, 04:31 Look... This whole thing is stupid. Wilder isn't respected by UK fans because he hasn't beaten anyone. What if Deontay goes out in a couple rounds like undefeated Charles Martin??? They tried to get a measure of Wilder's ability by fighting Molina.. It wasn't encouraging.. If Wilder went to the UK for 3 million to fight Dillian Whyte he's got the Joshua fight IF he can win.. Maybe he can't win.. Maybe Whyte beats his brains in.
How do you say "When do we get Joshua?" ... when you haven't fought anyone as good as Whyte. Come pick up a few million. Fight Whyte. There's not 7 million in the Whyte fight like you asked for -- there's 3 million for you to fight Whyte.. And if you do well there's Joshua.
I'll type slower this time so maybe you will get it.
1) Hearn made an offer for Wilder to come to the UK and fight Whyte, and said if he wins, the AJ fight will be next.
2) Finkle called him back and said we can make that easily....but we want more than your word this time, since Hearn had promised Wilder the Joshua fight after Wlad. Now Hearn is silent.
Both fighters should move on, because Hearn doesn't want it to happen right now. I'm done discussing it until it is in serious negotiations.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 08 Nov 2017, 09:40
Hearn can't promise Joshua will be next. He can promise he'll be next subject to contract or that Wilder gets first refusal on what Hearn is prepared to offer for the Joshua fight.
If Hearn promised Wilder the fight would absolutely definitely be next, what happens if Wilder comes up with some pay requirement which is totally unrealistic? That's surely not difficult to envisage when he was demanding $7m just to fight Whyte.
He will only be next if both fighters can agree the terms. We don't even know for certain Wilder can get past Whyte. Do that and you Wilder will be in a much better bargaining position.
Still you just carry on ignoring this inconvenient truth and keep spouting your rhetorical bullshit, if I get bored reading it I can always do something else.
If Hearn promised Wilder the fight would absolutely definitely be next, what happens if Wilder comes up with some pay requirement which is totally unrealistic? That's surely not difficult to envisage when he was demanding $7m just to fight Whyte.
He will only be next if both fighters can agree the terms. We don't even know for certain Wilder can get past Whyte. Do that and you Wilder will be in a much better bargaining position.
Still you just carry on ignoring this inconvenient truth and keep spouting your rhetorical bullshit, if I get bored reading it I can always do something else.
Re: finkel---hearn doesn't want wilder fight !
Posted: 08 Nov 2017, 10:37
I bet Hearn doesn't want the Wilder fight anytime soon after seeing Wilder's power, he knows exactly what may happen and likely wants to protect his cash cow.