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In response to Tony Bellew reiterating his belief that all drug cheats should be banned for life and naming Lucas Browne and Luis Ortiz as major culprits, the latter wasted no time laying out his retort.

Ortiz, who recently escaped a ban for an adverse finding during a World Boxing Council Clean Boxing Program, gave Bellew both barrels in replying to WBN's social media post through his team on Tuesday.

"Tony Bellew is a bum and a low life! All that is is an excuse because he knows he's a little man and Luis Ortiz on his worst day would crush him.

"The only ones that believe he's a good heavyweight are his close family and maybe not even them," the tweet went on to joke.

The post continued with, "Another little mad man that probably got cheated on and still gets cheated on because only a hateful heart speaks like you and that's been proven."

As Ortiz plots a course to potentially lining up another world title shot, Bellew is still coming to terms with the loss of a lucrative rematch with David Haye.

The 34 year-old has few options due to his slight weight in the top division, as WBN explained yesterday, with the likes of Ortiz also off the menu due to the Liverpool man's stance on test failures.

Add to that the fact Bellew only scaled 213 pounds for his divisional debut against Haye in March and those heavier campaigners may be best avoided by the ex-cruiserweight world champion going forward.

Brilliant - Thats made my day

Usually when there's smoke there's fire.
Ortiz has failed tests more than once. Numerous people believe he's a cheat

I don't think Ortiz is a cheat, he just doesn't have big money, so he doesn't get any protection like Mayweather and such and he doesn't live like a real pro, who got like a milion advisers and receive help from all over the place.
David Haye never had vada testing as far as I know and he doesn't even eat meat, so how on earth can he be any musclar at all after such a long inactivity?

There simply are boxers that need their skills to gain rankings, and other less or more buy rankings.
Haye only fought bums and became a top 15 guy in two fights while beïng inactive for a milion years.
Wilder never fought anyone at all and became a top 3 guy because he finds retired old boxers who still have a high ranking and let them give up their fights as soon as he get's injured.
Bellew only fought one heavyweight in his entire life, somehow he was uncredebly lucky it was Haye, who underestimated him and thought fighting a high ranked cruiserweight would be another easy fight as well, while he was running away scared from Briggs. Bellew was ranked 2 of the entire world because of his one and only heavyweight fight, he's still a top 10 heavyweight because of it.
There was another guy, an American one, who walked this earth like a god only because of fighting bums and then met another bumfighter and had uncredebly much luck that that other bumfighter got injured in no time. He's still a boxrec top 10 on paper.

With a certain amount of luck and a very good selection of opponents, who are willing to give up their rank, you can achieve almost anything in boxing.

Ortiz will probably never become a champion, despite he got the best odds out there against AJ at this moment.

I vote they never fight but the twitter war will go on ad nauesum.

I vote they never fight but the twitter war will go on ad nauseam.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 14:31 I vote they never fight but the twitter war will go on ad nauesum.

Yeah. That seems to be the way she goes these days

If they did fight clearly ortizs fight

asdfjkl wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 10:49 he doesn't even eat meat, so how on earth can he be any musclar at all after such a long inactivity?

If you could be a good boy and explain literally any science behind that, literally any correlation between meat and muscular development and proof or study that has shown that you cannot get any of the protein profiles or micro nutrients that are required to grow muscle through alternative means.

tobyh5 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 03:44

asdfjkl wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 10:49 he doesn't even eat meat, so how on earth can he be any musclar at all after such a long inactivity?

If you could be a good boy and explain literally any science behind that, literally any correlation between meat and muscular development and proof or study that has shown that you cannot get any of the protein profiles or micro nutrients that are required to grow muscle through alternative means.

yeah it's absolute nonsense. there's plenty of vegan boxers, ufc fighters, bodybuilders etc

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 08:31

tobyh5 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 03:44

asdfjkl wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 10:49 he doesn't even eat meat, so how on earth can he be any musclar at all after such a long inactivity?

If you could be a good boy and explain literally any science behind that, literally any correlation between meat and muscular development and proof or study that has shown that you cannot get any of the protein profiles or micro nutrients that are required to grow muscle through alternative means.

yeah it's absolute nonsense. there's plenty of vegan boxers, ufc fighters, bodybuilders etc

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... #abstract0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truth ... gies.shtml
https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegeta ... arch-33067
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/an ... n-meat-why
Nearly all independant sources show it will make you a weaker person over time. Also, simply look around you for people that love meat and don't eat meat, you'll see who are much much stronger on average.

tobyh5 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 03:44

asdfjkl wrote: ↑22 Nov 2017, 10:49 he doesn't even eat meat, so how on earth can he be any musclar at all after such a long inactivity?

If you could be a good boy and explain literally any science behind that, literally any correlation between meat and muscular development and proof or study that has shown that you cannot get any of the protein profiles or micro nutrients that are required to grow muscle through alternative means.

I don't think asdfjkl likes David very much, thats all

asdfjkl wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 13:05

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 08:31

tobyh5 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 03:44
If you could be a good boy and explain literally any science behind that, literally any correlation between meat and muscular development and proof or study that has shown that you cannot get any of the protein profiles or micro nutrients that are required to grow muscle through alternative means.

yeah it's absolute nonsense. there's plenty of vegan boxers, ufc fighters, bodybuilders etc

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... #abstract0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truth ... gies.shtml
https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegeta ... arch-33067
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/an ... n-meat-why
Nearly all independant sources show it will make you a weaker person over time. Also, simply look around you for people that love meat and don't eat meat, you'll see who are much much stronger on average.

The first thing you listed was a study which did not look at nor talk about body mass comparisons between anyone who uses weight resistant training so has literally zero relevance.

The third thing you listed was simply an article taken from the research of that study, the fourth thing you listed was nothing to do with physiques either but the second thing you listed came closest but nullified your argument in its opening paragraph - "There are important micronutrients such as iron, creatine and carnosine that can only be found in meat-related products. While differences in creatine and carnosine levels between meat eaters and vegetarians have little effect in normal daily activity, when we are pushing our bodies – such as during sport – these micronutrients might make the difference between coming first or second and are paramount in performance."

I am sure you know that it is impossible to get enough creatine into your system through food consumption short of eating literally half a cow daily, so that has to be supplemented via (ideally) creatine mono EVEN BY MEAT EATERS!!!! Secondly I also said alternative means and iron and carnosine can both also be supplemented.

Honestly mate, if you want to come to the argument, have a least one tool in the tool box.

Any studies you can find that say you have to consume meat in order to grow muscle tissue?

Does anyone think Bellew really has the cojones to fight Ortiz? I can't see it myself.

ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 14:44 Does anyone think Bellew really has the cojones to fight Ortiz? I can't see it myself.

Nope! He's just hanging out in the HW division to fight Haye and make money.. Only fighting Haye because he isn't 230+ pounds.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 14:45

ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 14:44 Does anyone think Bellew really has the cojones to fight Ortiz? I can't see it myself.

Nope! He's just hanging out in the HW division to fight Haye and make money.. Only fighting Haye because he isn't 230+ pounds.

Yeah. That's exactly how I see it too.

ewenhay wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 14:51
Yeah. That's exactly how I see it too.

It was clear after he beat Makabu, he started chasing the Haye fight, he knew he needs to start making money as his boxing career would be coming to a close soon.

Having Haye there when he beat BJ Flores as well. We all knew something was going to happen after Bellew beat Flores.

He used Haye's crappy comeback opponents to add fuel to the rivalry. Basically begging for the fight. Money-wise, it made sense for Haye to as he was the A-Side.. So Haye took it rather than fight Parker for the WBO title.

Fair play, he made over £2m.. All I ever see him in now is A Gucci jacket and a nice Gucci suit with a Gucci tie..

asdfjkl wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 13:05

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 08:31

tobyh5 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 03:44
If you could be a good boy and explain literally any science behind that, literally any correlation between meat and muscular development and proof or study that has shown that you cannot get any of the protein profiles or micro nutrients that are required to grow muscle through alternative means.

yeah it's absolute nonsense. there's plenty of vegan boxers, ufc fighters, bodybuilders etc

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... #abstract0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truth ... gies.shtml
https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegeta ... arch-33067
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/an ... n-meat-why
Nearly all independant sources show it will make you a weaker person over time. Also, simply look around you for people that love meat and don't eat meat, you'll see who are much much stronger on average.

lol did Haye abuse you? He's vegan, yet stronger than you, you melt

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 07:53

asdfjkl wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 13:05

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 08:31
yeah it's absolute nonsense. there's plenty of vegan boxers, ufc fighters, bodybuilders etc

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... #abstract0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truth ... gies.shtml
https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegeta ... arch-33067
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/an ... n-meat-why
Nearly all independant sources show it will make you a weaker person over time. Also, simply look around you for people that love meat and don't eat meat, you'll see who are much much stronger on average.

lol did Haye abuse you? He's vegan, yet stronger than you, you melt

I thought all independent sources proved your theory? Go back to bed

https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/you ... -be-strong
http://myvegandreams.com/vegan-athletes/
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-h ... o-compete/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 22146.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/w ... -as-strong
https://www.livekindly.co/plant-based-v ... t-lifters/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Dont-Need- ... 0312303386
http://www.muay-thai-guy.com/vegan-figh ... cceed.html

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 08:03

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 07:53

asdfjkl wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 13:05
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... #abstract0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truth ... gies.shtml
https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegeta ... arch-33067
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/an ... n-meat-why
Nearly all independant sources show it will make you a weaker person over time. Also, simply look around you for people that love meat and don't eat meat, you'll see who are much much stronger on average.

lol did Haye abuse you? He's vegan, yet stronger than you, you melt

I thought all independent sources proved your theory? Go back to bed

https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/you ... -be-strong
http://myvegandreams.com/vegan-athletes/
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-h ... o-compete/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 22146.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/w ... -as-strong
https://www.livekindly.co/plant-based-v ... t-lifters/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Dont-Need- ... 0312303386
http://www.muay-thai-guy.com/vegan-figh ... cceed.html

Guy with no knowledge talking through his arse basically. I think he must have caught his missus in bed with a vegan, ironically taking his meat

tobyh5 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 08:39

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 08:03

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 07:53

lol did Haye abuse you? He's vegan, yet stronger than you, you melt

I thought all independent sources proved your theory? Go back to bed

https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/you ... -be-strong
http://myvegandreams.com/vegan-athletes/
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-h ... o-compete/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 22146.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/w ... -as-strong
https://www.livekindly.co/plant-based-v ... t-lifters/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Dont-Need- ... 0312303386
http://www.muay-thai-guy.com/vegan-figh ... cceed.html

Guy with no knowledge talking through his arse basically. I think he must have caught his missus in bed with a vegan, ironically taking his meat

It was Haye, clearly lol

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 08:03

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 07:53

asdfjkl wrote: ↑23 Nov 2017, 13:05
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... #abstract0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truth ... gies.shtml
https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegeta ... arch-33067
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/an ... n-meat-why
Nearly all independant sources show it will make you a weaker person over time. Also, simply look around you for people that love meat and don't eat meat, you'll see who are much much stronger on average.

lol did Haye abuse you? He's vegan, yet stronger than you, you melt

I thought all independent sources proved your theory? Go back to bed

https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/you ... -be-strong
http://myvegandreams.com/vegan-athletes/
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-h ... o-compete/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 22146.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/w ... -as-strong
https://www.livekindly.co/plant-based-v ... t-lifters/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Dont-Need- ... 0312303386
http://www.muay-thai-guy.com/vegan-figh ... cceed.html

"riseofthevegan" "myvegandreams" "onegreenplanet" how independant do you think this is?

tobyh5 wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 08:39

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 08:03

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 07:53

lol did Haye abuse you? He's vegan, yet stronger than you, you melt

I thought all independent sources proved your theory? Go back to bed

https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/you ... -be-strong
http://myvegandreams.com/vegan-athletes/
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-h ... o-compete/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 22146.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/w ... -as-strong
https://www.livekindly.co/plant-based-v ... t-lifters/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Dont-Need- ... 0312303386
http://www.muay-thai-guy.com/vegan-figh ... cceed.html

Guy with no knowledge talking through his arse basically. I think he must have caught his missus in bed with a vegan, ironically taking his meat

He thinks Wilder is the most powerful man behind the scenes in the entire sport. They don't come any dumber.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 13:07

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 08:03

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 07:53

lol did Haye abuse you? He's vegan, yet stronger than you, you melt

I thought all independent sources proved your theory? Go back to bed

https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/you ... -be-strong
http://myvegandreams.com/vegan-athletes/
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-h ... o-compete/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 22146.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/w ... -as-strong
https://www.livekindly.co/plant-based-v ... t-lifters/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Dont-Need- ... 0312303386
http://www.muay-thai-guy.com/vegan-figh ... cceed.html

"riseofthevegan" "myvegandreams" "onegreenplanet" how independant do you think this is?

I couldn't give a fvck. Anyone can google whatever answer they want. Only an idiot think it makes them right. Are you even old enough to use the internet unfiltered? You come across very immature

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑27 Nov 2017, 12:32

asdfjkl wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 13:07

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑24 Nov 2017, 08:03 I thought all independent sources proved your theory? Go back to bed
https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/you ... -be-strong
http://myvegandreams.com/vegan-athletes/
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-h ... o-compete/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 22146.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/w ... -as-strong
https://www.livekindly.co/plant-based-v ... t-lifters/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Dont-Need- ... 0312303386
http://www.muay-thai-guy.com/vegan-figh ... cceed.html

"riseofthevegan" "myvegandreams" "onegreenplanet" how independant do you think this is?

I couldn't give a fvck. Anyone can google whatever answer they want. Only an idiot think it makes them right. Are you even old enough to use the internet unfiltered? You come across very immature

Guy really, read your own posts lol, how can you end with those words?