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Posted: **30 Nov 2017, 16:32**

"Groves vs Eubank Jr: Carl Froch doesn't mind who wins but can't see George Groves beating Chris Eubank Jr"

I'm going to get this out of the way now. I've sparred one, fought the other of course, and it is impossible for me to make a case for Groves to win their fight.

We've all seen and read what they've both come out with and yes, it is not until February, but I will not change my mind. It is Mission Impossible for Groves.

I just don't think he has the capability of stopping Chris Eubank Jr and now, if you don't stop Chris Eubank Jr you don't win on points…

Eubank Jr has a ferocious work rate, will go for the full 12 rounds and here's the sting in the tale: you just can't hurt him.

He is tough as old boots, believe me. It was far harder sparring him than it was fighting Groves with those small gloves on at Wembley. Sparring with him was competitive, uncomfortable and I hit him with around six or seven right hands - the same right hand that knocked Groves out - and I couldn't have hit Eubank Jr any sweeter. He just rolled off, looked at me and carried on punching.

Eubank Jr also threw a lot of shots, and even though I was fully focused - unlike the first fight with Groves - I got hit with a lot that I just didn't see coming.

The only way for Groves to beat him is to keep out of his way and out-box him, win on points. But the problem is I don't think he's fit enough. He doesn't have the engine…

For personal reasons I actually quite admire Groves…

Eubank Jr helped me out in that rematch. He was my main sparring partner for Wembley, so I like him… Yes, Groves called me all sorts of things… but genuinely I have no animosity towards him.

Thoughts?

Posted: **30 Nov 2017, 17:54**

NOBODY can see George Groves beating Chis Eubank... Suckerpuss is getting his ass flattened again... A big right hand bomb will do it again.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 04:12**

Interesting.

I don't believe Froch has a horse in that race one way or the other, and he's been in the ring plenty with both.

Yet Groves too used Eubank as sparring partner many times, and says he never got hurt or dropped, and vice-versa.

Maybe Groves knows something other people don't.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 05:39**

Kalan wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 17:54 NOBODY can see George Groves beating Chis Eubank... Suckerpuss is getting his ass flattened again... A big right hand bomb will do it again.

Poll on british and irish currently running has 58% plumping for groves to win. I personally voted eubank, hope I'm wrong, but can see how plenty would fancy groves.

Froch definitely has a horse in the race. He has been in camp with eubank numerous times and they get on. Froch to this day still does not like Groves. He talks about him any chance he gets, albeit he probably gets asked a lot, and is almost always derogatory towards him, but always throws in enough caveats (I admire him, nothing aganst him etc) to try to appear unbiased.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 07:11**

Bigdogsnose wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 05:39
Kalan wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 17:54 NOBODY can see George Groves beating Chis Eubank... Suckerpuss is getting his ass flattened again... A big right hand bomb will do it again.
Poll on british and irish currently running has 58% plumping for groves to win. I personally voted eubank, hope I'm wrong, but can see how plenty would fancy groves.

Froch definitely has a horse in the race. He has been in camp with eubank numerous times and they get on. Froch to this day still does not like Groves. He talks about him any chance he gets, albeit he probably gets asked a lot, and is almost always derogatory towards him, but always throws in enough caveats (I admire him, nothing aganst him etc) to try to appear unbiased.

Carl Froch is entitled to his opinion and his thoughts cannot be taken likely, because very few people have considerable first-hand experience at trading blows with both men.

I don’t feel that Froch would pretend that Eubank Jr. could beat Groves if he didn’t truly believe it to be true, because he surely has to maintain his reputation as a knowledgeable boxing pundit.

It seems highly-unlikely to me that he’d allow any personal bias to cloud his objective evaluation of the Groves-Eubank contest.

For the record, Froch seemed really pleased when Groves became a world champion… and let’s not forget that any success that ‘Saint George’ achieves will inevitably enhance Carl’s own legacy.

So one could easily argue that ‘The Cobra’ actually has a vested interest to support and celebrate a victory for Groves.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 07:37**

Froch says Eubank has a ferocious work rate... based on his sparring? Didn't the Eubank vs BJS fight take place after Froch-Groves 2?

Where was this work rate then?

I think it's easy to have a great work rate when you outclass an opponent. Eubanks work rate was very poor when he couldn't figure out Saunders. It's going to be poor again when dealing with a bigger more experienced fighter with heavier hands.

Groves to stop Eubank.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 07:50**

Ricky_ wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 07:37 Froch says Eubank has a ferocious work rate... based on his sparring? Didn't the Eubank vs BJS fight take place after Froch-Groves 2?

Where was this work rate then?

I think it's easy to have a great work rate when you outclass an opponent. Eubanks work rate was very poor when he couldn't figure out Saunders. It's going to be poor again when dealing with a bigger more experienced fighter with heavier hands.

If you’d watched the Saunders-Eubank fight, then I’m not so sure you could really be sincere about the comments you’ve made in this post.

It was only Eubank Jr’s poor strategy resulted in a very narrow defeat to Billy Joe. And ever since that fight, he’s refrained from posturing, messing around, taking his foot off the gas early on etc.

Simply put: Chris Eubank Jr. made a mistake, learned from it and has adopted his approach accordingly.

Even if you severely dislike Eubank Jr, you surely have to commend him on his ability to learn from past experiences and show continual signs of improvement.

I don’t think fight fans should dwell on the losses incurred during the early stages of a fighter’s career, especially considering the resumes of the likes of Bernard Hopkins and Johnny Nelson, so Chris Eubank Jr. is clearly in good company and isn’t the first person to have ever made a mistake.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 08:17**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 07:50
Ricky_ wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 07:37 Froch says Eubank has a ferocious work rate... based on his sparring? Didn't the Eubank vs BJS fight take place after Froch-Groves 2?

Where was this work rate then?

I think it's easy to have a great work rate when you outclass an opponent. Eubanks work rate was very poor when he couldn't figure out Saunders. It's going to be poor again when dealing with a bigger more experienced fighter with heavier hands.
If you’d watched the Saunders-Eubank fight, then I’m not so sure you could really be sincere about the comments you’ve made in this post.

It was only Eubank Jr’s poor strategy resulted in a very narrow defeat to Billy Joe. And ever since that fight, he’s refrained from posturing, messing around, taking his foot off the gas early on etc.

Simply put: Chris Eubank Jr. made a mistake, learned from it and has adopted his approach accordingly.

Even if you severely dislike Eubank Jr, you surely have to commend him on his ability to learn from past experiences and show continual signs of improvement.

I don’t think fight fans should dwell on the losses incurred during the early stages of a fighter’s career, especially considering the resumes of the likes of Bernard Hopkins and Johnny Nelson, so Chris Eubank Jr. is clearly in good company and isn’t the first person to have ever made a mistake.

Going from memory but if you care to find the punch stats for Eubank vs BJS (a fight he lost) and compare them to a fight he won (say Abraham) I'm sure I'll be proved correct.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 08:25**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 07:11
Bigdogsnose wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 05:39
Kalan wrote: ↑30 Nov 2017, 17:54 NOBODY can see George Groves beating Chis Eubank... Suckerpuss is getting his ass flattened again... A big right hand bomb will do it again.
Poll on british and irish currently running has 58% plumping for groves to win. I personally voted eubank, hope I'm wrong, but can see how plenty would fancy groves.

Froch definitely has a horse in the race. He has been in camp with eubank numerous times and they get on. Froch to this day still does not like Groves. He talks about him any chance he gets, albeit he probably gets asked a lot, and is almost always derogatory towards him, but always throws in enough caveats (I admire him, nothing aganst him etc) to try to appear unbiased.
Carl Froch is entitled to his opinion and his thoughts cannot be taken likely, because very few people have considerable first-hand experience at trading blows with both men.

I don’t feel that Froch would pretend that Eubank Jr. could beat Groves if he didn’t truly believe it to be true, because he surely has to maintain his reputation as a knowledgeable boxing pundit.

It seems highly-unlikely to me that he’d allow any personal bias to cloud his objective evaluation of the Groves-Eubank contest.

For the record, Froch seemed really pleased when Groves became a world champion… and let’s not forget that any success that ‘Saint George’ achieves will inevitably enhance Carl’s own legacy.

So one could easily argue that ‘The Cobra’ actually has a vested interest to support and celebrate a victory for Groves.

Froch is entitled to his opinion, but he doesn't like Groves and more often than not when he talks about him it is negative. He did clap for him when he won his world title, it would have appeared churlish not to. He may honestly believe Eubank will win, plenty do - its just as far as groves is concerned he has an undoubted bias as he does not like him, and to this day I still feel he enjoys winding him up. I'm not so sure he takes his legacy into account with every statement he makes.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 08:27**

Froch also said Brook could beat GGG. That was also based on sparring with Brook. Froch might be shit in sparring!!!

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 08:30**

Ricky_ wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 08:17
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 07:50
Ricky_ wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 07:37 Froch says Eubank has a ferocious work rate... based on his sparring? Didn't the Eubank vs BJS fight take place after Froch-Groves 2?

Where was this work rate then?

I think it's easy to have a great work rate when you outclass an opponent. Eubanks work rate was very poor when he couldn't figure out Saunders. It's going to be poor again when dealing with a bigger more experienced fighter with heavier hands.
If you’d watched the Saunders-Eubank fight, then I’m not so sure you could really be sincere about the comments you’ve made in this post.

It was only Eubank Jr’s poor strategy resulted in a very narrow defeat to Billy Joe. And ever since that fight, he’s refrained from posturing, messing around, taking his foot off the gas early on etc.

Simply put: Chris Eubank Jr. made a mistake, learned from it and has adopted his approach accordingly.

Even if you severely dislike Eubank Jr, you surely have to commend him on his ability to learn from past experiences and show continual signs of improvement.

I don’t think fight fans should dwell on the losses incurred during the early stages of a fighter’s career, especially considering the resumes of the likes of Bernard Hopkins and Johnny Nelson, so Chris Eubank Jr. is clearly in good company and isn’t the first person to have ever made a mistake.
Going from memory but if you care to find the punch stats for Eubank vs BJS (a fight he lost) and compare them to a fight he won (say Abraham) I'm sure I'll be proved correct.

The punch stats are irrelevant, because Eubank Jr. did a lot of posturing and messing around during the first half of his bout against Saunders. He hardly threw a punch... and it wasn't because he was trying and failing either.

When he realised he'd given his opponent an almost unassailable lead, he started letting his hands go during the second half of the bout, repeatedly hurting and dominating Saunders during each exchange.

Instead of arguing with me - watch the fight. The reason for Eubank Jr's loss in that bout would be abundantly clear to anyone, even those that we're unfamiliar with the sport.

In fact, I'm actually a little disappointed that you're even arguing with me about something so shockingly obvious, because I thought you were better than this. I genuinely believed that you knew a lot about the sport, but perhaps I was wrong?

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 08:33**

It's entirely possible Groves simply outclasses Eubank, and whilst Jr does appear to have a good chin, he's not faced any big punchers to date.

Jr does have a very good workrate - however, if Groves makes him miss and pay continually, then it won't help him much.

I'm banking on a Groves 12 round decisive win. If Jr wins and wins in style, then I will recognise him as world class, but from what I've seen thus far, he's not appeared to be so - he's predictable, lacks variety in his work, and has some glaring technical flaws. He's clearly a natural talent as an athlete, and although not a huge puncher by any stretch, mainly because of his poor technique, he's strong as an ox.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 08:40**

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 08:33 It's entirely possible Groves simply outclasses Eubank, and whilst Jr does appear to have a good chin, he's not faced any big punchers to date.

Jr does have a very good workrate - however, if Groves makes him miss and pay continually, then it won't help him much.

yeah, if Groves' jab is constantly in his face and the threat (and actuality) of Groves's heavy-handed counters keeps him on the back foot more

i don't see how people are comparing CEJ's workrate against shot to death AA or feckin Yildrim, compared with Groves, who is a much better mover, much better technically, and much more of a threat offensively, than either

"no but workrate, workrate, workrate, Eubank's a beast, workrate workrate"

'workrate' against knockover jobs and walking corpses doesn't necessarily equate to 90 punches a round against a half-decent vaguely-near-prime fighter

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 09:24**

Groves was deeply troubled by the unsophisticated, but blisteringly-high workrate of Fedor Chudinov and a stoppage defeat for the Brit seemed inevitable until he turned the tide by catching the Russian with a really excellent right hand.

Eubank Jr. has a similarly high workrate and can prevent Groves from using his superior technique by overcrowding him through sheer volume of punches.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 09:34**

A stoppage defeat for the British looked inevitable

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 09:45**

You should learn to watch fights before commenting on how they played out.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 09:46**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 08:30
Eubank Jr. did a lot of posturing and messing around during the first half of his bout against Saunders. He hardly threw a punch.

Glad we agree, when Eubank Jr stepped up in class his punch stats and work rate dropped significantly. I expect similar to happen when he steps up a level again to face GG.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 09:53**

Ricky_ wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 07:37 Froch says Eubank has a ferocious work rate... based on his sparring? Didn't the Eubank vs BJS fight take place after Froch-Groves 2?

Where was this work rate then?

I think it's easy to have a great work rate when you outclass an opponent. Eubanks work rate was very poor when he couldn't figure out Saunders. It's going to be poor again when dealing with a bigger more experienced fighter with heavier hands.

Groves to stop Eubank.

Eubank was a puppy, hardly a damning result there. Groves is beaten to shit, even when he got a vacant title fight against a whopping 14 fight veteran he was beaten to shit and was close to done.

Eubank knocks Groves out cold, a sight everyone is familiar with.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 10:08**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 09:45 You should learn to watch fights before commenting on how they played out.

Posted: **01 Dec 2017, 10:27**

Jr has improved since the BJS fight and Groves was fading after those brutal fights against Froch. I think Eubank Jr vs Ramirez/Benavidez/DeGale or Callum Smith would be some good-competitive match ups.

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