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As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 01 Dec 2017, 18:57
by asdfjkl
http://www.BS.com/luis-ortiz-a ... ng--122966
"5. In light of the information set forth above, however, the WBC concludes that the evidence available to the WBC supports a finding that Mr. Ortiz' ingestion of high blood pressure medication was directed to the treatment of an ongoing medical condition. Therefore, Mr. Ortiz will continue to be tested based on a specifically designed testing protocol. As of the date of this ruling, Mr. Ortiz is available to compete in WBC-sanctioned events, and shall be confirmed in the WBC ratings in a position consistent with the recommendation of the WBC Ratings Committee."
Good news, Wilder can fight him now anyway! Not that I expect Wilder to actually do so, since this old men is much much better as Wilder, but at least people that know what they are talking about turn out to be right again, Ortiz is innocent.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 01 Dec 2017, 19:58
by Badhusker
I have always been curious why Ortiz hasn't ever been mentioned as a possible opponent for Joshua? I don't recall Joshua even mentioning his name.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 00:22
by SaadOffTheDeck
It's almost admirable the way you convince yourself that what you desperately want is reality. Much like ryabinski has to pay wilders purse, Ortiz is paying a fine.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 04:14
by asdfjkl
Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 19:58
I have always been curious why Ortiz hasn't ever been mentioned as a possible opponent for Joshua? I don't recall Joshua even mentioning his name.
Well actually he was, that was the plan, first Pulev, then Ortiz, then Wilder, somehow Wilder managed to destroy that idea and in the end, Pulev pulled out as well.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 04:17
by asdfjkl
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 00:22
It's almost admirable the way you convince yourself that what you desperately want is reality. Much like ryabinski has to pay wilders purse, Ortiz is paying a fine.
Spoken about Ryabinski, people just found out this: "Moreover, the new study that was produced by WOB attorneys in June was available online on February 6, 2016, which was the first day of trial. Yet, it was not brought up at trial."
Very remarkeble, the job was already fixed at the first day of trial, the judges could just as good not have been there at all, Povetkin his lawyer could just as good have talked to the wall, the Wilder job was already fixed before the whole trial began?!
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 04:20
by SaadOffTheDeck
It was a cut and dry case. Like we told you last year.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 09:47
by tiny_acres
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 04:20
It was a cut and dry case. Like we told you last year.
He argues for Povetkin after Povetkins team admits their wrong doing in giving him supplements. They agreed to the quarter of a million fine and admitted wrong doing.
Yet he still trying to defend it.
I gave up arguing with him. It is a waste of time and he's a genuine waste of life.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 11:49
by gilgamesh
These threads trying to excuse blatant drug cheats for their actions are pathetic.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 12:40
by tiny_acres
gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 11:49
These threads trying to excuse blatant drug cheats for their actions are pathetic.
Thank you. I do agree.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 13:01
by ldlamb
4. The WBC Board of Governors hereby ratifies the Prior Ruling’s finding that Mr. Ortiz` failure to disclose his ingestion of prescribed high blood medication constitutes a violation of the WBC CBP Protocol, and confirms the $25,000 USD fine.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 13:42
by kych
Deontay should place him in his next opponent, there will be no excuse; not as someone tried to enforce his wrong judgement in this topic discussion.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 17:02
by Badhusker
I really find it odd that Joshua fans are not in favor of a match-up with Ortiz. I have never heard AJ even mention Ortiz as a possible opponent.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 17:12
by gilgamesh
Badhusker wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 17:02
I really find it odd that Joshua fans are not in favor of a match-up with Ortiz. I have never heard AJ even mention Ortiz as a possible opponent.
I would've liked to have seen it, but now that Ortiz can't be counted on not to fail a drug test I don't care if I ever see him fight again.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 20:13
by marvelous marv
Lenroy Thomas said on a youtube video Ortiz was the second hardest puncher he had sparred with after Wilder and before Joshua.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 20:19
by gilgamesh
marvelous marv wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 20:13
Lenroy Thomas said on a youtube video Ortiz was the second hardest puncher he had sparred with after Wilder and before Joshua.
PED's will do that.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 23:41
by jamamb
hes also slow and lazy as ass
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 02 Dec 2017, 23:58
by Ricky_
gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 20:19
marvelous marv wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 20:13
Lenroy Thomas said on a youtube video Ortiz was the second hardest puncher he had sparred with after Wilder and before Joshua.
PED's will do that.
Do they?
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 03 Dec 2017, 01:29
by Tanzio
Another one of these threads?
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 03 Dec 2017, 04:42
by candyslim
Badhusker wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 17:02
I really find it odd that Joshua fans are not in favor of a match-up with Ortiz. I have never heard AJ even mention Ortiz as a possible opponent.
The intention was always to take care of his IBF mandatory first (Pulev) then his WBA (Ortiz) then unification with Wilder or Parker. Ortiz could have waited for Joshua but decided he could beat Wilder and face Joshua as a fellow champion.
The WBC have exonerated Ortiz but the WBA have removed him as their number one contender, so naturally Ortiz is now off Joshua's radar. You know all this, or you should do being a forum regular, but of course it doesn't suit your agenda to acknowledge the facts.
Joshua has stopped Whyte, Breazeale, Klitschko, and Takam. I defy you to name an opponent of Deontay Wilder who would start favourite to beat any one of those four.
You won't though. You'll just ignore anyone who pulls you up on your hate filled bullshit, leave it a few days, and post the same old crap ad nauseam. Anybody with any sense of fair play would hold Wilder and Joshua to the same standards but not you.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 03 Dec 2017, 08:44
by kych
The biggest opponent for Ortiz is the TIME, becouse of his age, getting harder each day. That's what the other ones are waiting for!! Therefore give Ortiz right now for a title fight to prove you are the real champion
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 03 Dec 2017, 08:58
by Badhusker
candyslim wrote: ↑03 Dec 2017, 04:42
Badhusker wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 17:02
I really find it odd that Joshua fans are not in favor of a match-up with Ortiz. I have never heard AJ even mention Ortiz as a possible opponent.
The intention was always to take care of his IBF mandatory first (Pulev) then his WBA (Ortiz) then unification with Wilder or Parker. Ortiz could have waited for Joshua but decided he could beat Wilder and face Joshua as a fellow champion.
The WBC have exonerated Ortiz but the WBA have removed him as their number one contender, so naturally Ortiz is now off Joshua's radar. You know all this, or you should do being a forum regular, but of course it doesn't suit your agenda to acknowledge the facts.
Joshua has stopped Whyte, Breazeale, Klitschko, and Takam. I defy you to name an opponent of Deontay Wilder who would start favourite to beat any one of those four.
You won't though. You'll just ignore anyone who pulls you up on your hate filled bullshit, leave it a few days, and post the same old crap ad nauseam. Anybody with any sense of fair play would hold Wilder and Joshua to the same standards but not you.
Quit whining and acting butt hurt. Joshua could have fought Ortiz instead of Pulev. ABC's threaten to strip, and even if they did Joshua just last year said sometimes you have to let belts go to give the fans the fights they want. He knew Pulev would pull out, just like he has done before.....that is why Takam was lined up.
The truth is they wanted Wilder to fight Ortiz and eliminate one of two dangerous opponents, which is fine. Ortiz was never on Joshua's radar. Hypocrisy shows up though from AJ nuthuggers saying Wilder should have fought him anyway, but say nothing of AJ fighting him. Fair play?
Its all good. Hopefully AJ taking the easier fight with Parker will backfire like the Cotto/Ali fight did. Maybe Hearn putting the fight off with Wilder has something to do with assuring AJ passes the PED test? I hope he is clean, or Wilder will get the blame again.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 03 Dec 2017, 10:04
by Enlightened-One
asdfjkl wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 18:57As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Ortiz received a fine. Therefore, he wasn't innocent of committing wrongdoing. FACT!
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 03 Dec 2017, 13:04
by candyslim
Badhusker wrote: ↑03 Dec 2017, 08:58
candyslim wrote: ↑03 Dec 2017, 04:42
Badhusker wrote: ↑02 Dec 2017, 17:02
I really find it odd that Joshua fans are not in favor of a match-up with Ortiz. I have never heard AJ even mention Ortiz as a possible opponent.
The intention was always to take care of his IBF mandatory first (Pulev) then his WBA (Ortiz) then unification with Wilder or Parker. Ortiz could have waited for Joshua but decided he could beat Wilder and face Joshua as a fellow champion.
The WBC have exonerated Ortiz but the WBA have removed him as their number one contender, so naturally Ortiz is now off Joshua's radar. You know all this, or you should do being a forum regular, but of course it doesn't suit your agenda to acknowledge the facts.
Joshua has stopped Whyte, Breazeale, Klitschko, and Takam. I defy you to name an opponent of Deontay Wilder who would start favourite to beat any one of those four.
You won't though. You'll just ignore anyone who pulls you up on your hate filled bullshit, leave it a few days, and post the same old crap ad nauseam. Anybody with any sense of fair play would hold Wilder and Joshua to the same standards but not you.
Quit whining and acting butt hurt. Joshua could have fought Ortiz instead of Pulev. ABC's threaten to strip, and even if they did Joshua just last year said sometimes you have to let belts go to give the fans the fights they want. He knew Pulev would pull out, just like he has done before.....that is why Takam was lined up.
The truth is they wanted Wilder to fight Ortiz and eliminate one of two dangerous opponents, which is fine. Ortiz was never on Joshua's radar. Hypocrisy shows up though from AJ nuthuggers saying Wilder should have fought him anyway, but say nothing of AJ fighting him. Fair play?
Its all good. Hopefully AJ taking the easier fight with Parker will backfire like the Cotto/Ali fight did. Maybe Hearn putting the fight off with Wilder has something to do with assuring AJ passes the PED test? I hope he is clean, or Wilder will get the blame again.
Why TF should Joshua be expected to fight Klitschko, Ortiz and Wilder, (not forgetting Pulev) one after the other while Wilder continues taking on a succession of cabdrivers? 39 fights and 9 years and the best opponent, the only opponent ranked top ten at the time of the fight, and still the only top ten ranked opponent he ever faced, being Bermane Stiverne who had been stopped by Demetrice King and whose reputation was built solely on two wins over the tough but very limited Chris Arreola. But that's ok let's give him a pass and instead pick on Joshua for choosing first to fight top six ranked Pulev who is comfortably better than anyone Wilder ever fought ... as is Takam.
Your double standards are unbe-fukcing-lievable. Can you really not see that ???
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 03 Dec 2017, 14:15
by asdfjkl
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Dec 2017, 10:04
asdfjkl wrote: ↑01 Dec 2017, 18:57As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Ortiz received a fine. Therefore, he wasn't innocent of committing wrongdoing. FACT!
They might have succesfully fooled him by combining 3 different languages, but that's straight away all they succeed in and avoiding the fight ofcourse, exactly as they intended to.
Re: As predicted, Luis Ortiz innocent anyway
Posted: 03 Dec 2017, 14:25
by KiwiRider
I still think about Ortiz's pubes.
Why didn't he get them testesd so he could present them at his court.case?
If your innocent and have the means to prove it, then prove it!