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Disgraceful that vitali made it, Erik was a surefire first ballot. I think others were more deserving than winky but he isn't without merit. Move over gatti, vitali now the gets the worst resume in the Hof by miles.

how could vitali not be included with wins over recognizable names such as chris arreola, kirk johnson, sam peter, and corrie sanders. he clearly deserves a spot for having one of the fattest resumes ever.

also vitali beat the current hw champion of the world, manuel charr

Vitali haters gonna be so butthurt that he's a first ballot hall of famer! Suck it!

klitoris wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 17:58 Vitali haters gonna be so butthurt that he's a first ballot hall of famer! Suck it!

I don't get all the hate, Vitali deserved it. So did Morales. Wright was a mild reach, but not a bad pick.

wright less of a reach than vitali. the highlights of vitalis career are being torn to shreds by fat lennox and beating corrie 'the golfer' sanders. hasim rahman actually beat lewis and also sanders.oliver mccall is no less deserving than tali.

pound per pound wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 20:53

klitoris wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 17:58 Vitali haters gonna be so butthurt that he's a first ballot hall of famer! Suck it!

I don't get all the hate, Vitali deserved it. So did Morales. Wright was a mild reach, but not a bad pick.

Obviously morales did. Why did vitali? Who did he beat? Winky is much more qualified.

Vitali Klitchko is a bad ass. How much criticism can you throw his way for being around in an era that was so poor? At least little bro caught some contenders like Haye, Fury and AJ before he retired, but lost 2/3.
I think i seen Vitali lose about 3 rounds of boxing in his entire career, 2 of them to the goat.

Right, his brother faced the best of a weak era. Vitali didn't even do that. The two notable fighters he did fight, beat him. Though Lewis was a good loss.

Even the Lewis fight wasn't ideal timing, iirc he was a short-notice replacement, before his prime and Lennox was past his prime by a good few years. Vitali showed his calibre in that fight and had the 2 of them met in their primes it would have been a proper heavyweight megafight imo. Would make Lennox a handy favourite though, but i bet their would be plenty of picks for vk.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 22:16 Even the Lewis fight wasn't ideal timing, iirc he was a short-notice replacement, before his prime and Lennox was past his prime by a good few years. Vitali showed his calibre in that fight and had the 2 of them met in their primes it would have been a proper heavyweight megafight imo. Would make Lennox a handy favourite though, but i bet their would be plenty of picks for vk.

He was fighting on the undercard. I don't for a second think that vitali wasn't a capable fighter. He just has a very poor resume that isn't worthy of the Hof.

I don't think Vitali was worthy but he's hardly the worst inductee in there.

Morales and Wright were shoe-ins, or at least should have been. Some people seemed to think Winky wouldn't get in.

Has anyone been to the Hall of Fame induction weekend?

I'm toying with the idea of going. But I'm not interested in the golf or cozying up for money. I'll just go to the induction part.

Vitali, Morales, and Wright are 3 of the main boxers that the forum was picking to make the 2018 class. A notable miss was another popular forum pick -- Ricky Hatton.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 22:01 Vitali Klitchko is a bad ass. How much criticism can you throw his way for being around in an era that was so poor? At least little bro caught some contenders like Haye, Fury and AJ before he retired, but lost 2/3.
I think i seen Vitali lose about 3 rounds of boxing in his entire career, 2 of them to the goat.

He was in an era including Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson plus a load of other world champions who weren't as good in the decade around them (Ruiz, Haye, Maskaev, Rahman, Valuev, Ibragimov, Chagaev) plus contenders like Mercer, Tua, Golota. You could stick Moorer in there as well if you like. He fought none of them. His CV is pathetic.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 07:50

Ricky_ wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 22:01 Vitali Klitchko is a bad ass. How much criticism can you throw his way for being around in an era that was so poor? At least little bro caught some contenders like Haye, Fury and AJ before he retired, but lost 2/3.
I think i seen Vitali lose about 3 rounds of boxing in his entire career, 2 of them to the goat.

He was in an era including Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson plus a load of other world champions who weren't as good in the decade around them (Ruiz, Haye, Maskaev, Rahman, Valuev, Ibragimov, Chagaev) plus contenders like Mercer, Tua, Golota. You could stick Moorer in there as well if you like. He fought none of them. His CV is pathetic.

He fought Lewis.

Taansend wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 07:56

dirk2686 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 07:50

Ricky_ wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 22:01 Vitali Klitchko is a bad ass. How much criticism can you throw his way for being around in an era that was so poor? At least little bro caught some contenders like Haye, Fury and AJ before he retired, but lost 2/3.
I think i seen Vitali lose about 3 rounds of boxing in his entire career, 2 of them to the goat.

He was in an era including Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson plus a load of other world champions who weren't as good in the decade around them (Ruiz, Haye, Maskaev, Rahman, Valuev, Ibragimov, Chagaev) plus contenders like Mercer, Tua, Golota. You could stick Moorer in there as well if you like. He fought none of them. His CV is pathetic.

He fought Lewis.

Correction - fought one of them. And lost.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 08:03

Taansend wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 07:56

dirk2686 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 07:50

He was in an era including Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson plus a load of other world champions who weren't as good in the decade around them (Ruiz, Haye, Maskaev, Rahman, Valuev, Ibragimov, Chagaev) plus contenders like Mercer, Tua, Golota. You could stick Moorer in there as well if you like. He fought none of them. His CV is pathetic.

He fought Lewis.

Correction - fought one of them. And lost.

He did well that night. I was there. The uppercut Lewis landed (around the 4th) was felt around the arena. Mad punch.

Tough bloke Vitali. I can see why people are saying NO but there's worse than him in there. I don't take the IBHOF too serious just like a I don't P4P lists seriously.

They're just opinions & only mine counts

Taansend wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 08:07He did well that night. I was there. The uppercut Lewis landed (around the 4th) was felt around the arena. Mad punch.

Tough bloke Vitali. I can see why people are saying NO but there's worse than him in there. I don't take the IBHOF too serious just like a I don't P4P lists seriously.

They're just opinions & only mine counts

Tough bloke indeed but his record is atrocious. When you think about who was active when he was, and who he didn't fight. You wonder how he can have had so many fights and end up with such a poor CV.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 08:10

Taansend wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 08:07He did well that night. I was there. The uppercut Lewis landed (around the 4th) was felt around the arena. Mad punch.

Tough bloke Vitali. I can see why people are saying NO but there's worse than him in there. I don't take the IBHOF too serious just like a I don't P4P lists seriously.

They're just opinions & only mine counts

Tough bloke indeed but his record is atrocious. When you think about who was active when he was, and who he didn't fight. You wonder how he can have had so many fights and end up with such a poor CV.

I would say atrocious is a bit harsh. He fought fairly decent fighters most of the way through but you're right. He did miss out on some bigger names.

I always felt that if there was just one Klitschko he (whichever one) would have had more respect instead of the two of them picking their way through. But his record seems to me to be fairly indicative of many European fighters. Win a title then defend against highly ranked, glossy records, but ultimately lacking in quality fighters.

As I said, I'm not that fussed either way. I should be angry at him for destroying my man, Herbie Hide though

Taansend wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 08:26I would say atrocious is a bit harsh. He fought fairly decent fighters most of the way through but you're right. He did miss out on some bigger names.

He missed pretty much all the big names in fairness. No Holyfield or Tyson. Lost against Lewis. They were the biggest names of his era.

After they had retired he still had time of course but what did we get? Peter and Adamek were decent enough names but beyond them his record is incredibly thin. Nobody wanted to see him fight Charr, Johnson, Sosnowski, Briggs, Gomez and Chisora when he could have been in with Haye, Chagaev, Povetkin etc.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 07:50

Ricky_ wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 22:01 Vitali Klitchko is a bad ass. How much criticism can you throw his way for being around in an era that was so poor? At least little bro caught some contenders like Haye, Fury and AJ before he retired, but lost 2/3.
I think i seen Vitali lose about 3 rounds of boxing in his entire career, 2 of them to the goat.

He was in an era including Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson plus a load of other world champions who weren't as good in the decade around them (Ruiz, Haye, Maskaev, Rahman, Valuev, Ibragimov, Chagaev) plus contenders like Mercer, Tua, Golota. You could stick Moorer in there as well if you like. He fought none of them. His CV is pathetic.

If only it was Vitali and not Kevin McBride that left the shell of Mike Tyson slumped against the ropes.

Vitali is worthy for induction. Wlad had a better opposition, but Vit had also met descent contenders, whom the era could suggest. As the result numbers tell a lot for him. But it's not about only numbers, Vit was a really special boxer. He was far from being technically perfect, but he had a great ability to use his size. Even Lewis-fight, which is a loss, is an another argument for giving Vitali a legend status.

DrDuke wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 10:21 Vitali is worthy for induction. Wlad had a better opposition, but Vit had also met descent contenders, whom the era could suggest. As the result numbers tell a lot for him. But it's not about only numbers, Vit was a really special boxer. He was far from being technically perfect, but he had a great ability to use his size. Even Lewis-fight, which is a loss, is an another argument for giving Vitali a legend status.

Lewis is obviously an all time great but he was old and fat and still had enough to withstand Vitali's shots and turn his face into a mess.

Someone like Hasim Rahman has as much a claim to the HOF as Vitali. He beat a prime Lennox and would have had much the same career as Vitali if he spent his life fighting the likes of Danny Williams.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 11:00 Lewis is obviously an all time great but he was old and fat and still had enough to withstand Vitali's shots and turn his face into a mess.

Yes,but all those were the very first signs of decline, Lewis had been in an excellent shape just in the two previous fights. He was a huge favourite and the reigning champion. So both Lewis and Klitschko kinda accomplished a feat in their bout.