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Srebmun wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 11:05 Thoughts?

Hardly a rant is it.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 02:15 You don't know what you really have until you've faced the best in the sport over an extended period of time. Then stop look at your resume and go from there.

Then when a guy doesn't perform or do what they boasted they would do before the fight...they start the blame game. It's everybody's fault but theirs. That's weak. You won't grow like that.

You don't have to announce "your coming" just come. You don't have to announce "I'm Next" just be next. You don't have to scream "give me my respect" you have to earn that.

Social media, entourages, media hype can give you a false sense of security. Causing you to believe you've made it, before you've actually done anything. Sad but true.

Thoughts?

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 11:51 Please don't mention the dirty slapper in the same sentence with Ali and Leonard.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 16:18

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 11:51 Please don't mention the dirty slapper in the same sentence with Ali and Leonard.

Yes, that comparison is taking far too many liberties.

Mayweather and Ward did win mostly by using their 'boxing brains and professionalism'. Unfortunately they weren't caught, but then again they won't be missed either. Boxing seems to be in a better place now.

Ward can't get to grips with why he isn't adored by the public especially when he sees Mayweather who wasnt either, making millions upon millions. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't born and bred into boxing game the way Floyd was.

He has the consolation of a perfect record, but only Rocky got the money, the adulation and the perfect record.

Different boxers view these three things differently.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 11:51

hoagylt wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 11:43Sage wisdom. Not a big Andre fan but like Ali, May and Sugar Ray L. he wins mostly with his boxing brain and professionalism.

Please don't mention the dirty slapper in the same sentence with Ali and Leonard.

jamamb wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 18:40 if it were as simple as fouling theyred be a lot more guys on andres level.hes a boxing master who still wins rounds by hitting without getting hit. and he does that standing right with guys.hes mainly boring because hes been so much better than his opponents. for like a decade only kov (a very good fighter) has even been competitive to the point where the outcome looks in doubt.and those were good fights that ward both won.

if he had more guys around his level hed be funner to watch.hes not a big puncher so hed never really electrify like tyson or can crusher ggg does, but thered still be better fights. blame his opponents for not being good enough, even though hes still fought a hof wirthy list of names.

lazboy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 19:18

jamamb wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 18:40 if it were as simple as fouling theyred be a lot more guys on andres level.hes a boxing master who still wins rounds by hitting without getting hit. and he does that standing right with guys.hes mainly boring because hes been so much better than his opponents. for like a decade only kov (a very good fighter) has even been competitive to the point where the outcome looks in doubt.and those were good fights that ward both won.

if he had more guys around his level hed be funner to watch.hes not a big puncher so hed never really electrify like tyson or can crusher ggg does, but thered still be better fights. blame his opponents for not being good enough, even though hes still fought a hof wirthy list of names.

Wouldn’t call him a boxing master, I’d say he’s a very good boxer. Good judge of distance, timing, backpeddling defence, a very good classic boxer, someone with that ability alone would be top 5 in their respective division. But then the wildcard element comes into it. If he fights someone who has an equal or even better boxing ability, he adds non boxing and bending the rules into his game. So...he is definitely not one dimensional. A very good boxer who can then transform into a grinding wrestler who fouls, who has the strength and stamina and experience (experienced grappler) to stick with it the whole fight and will wear you down by being on you, smothering your punches, holding you, hitting on breaks, pushing you around, things traditional boxers haven’t trained for physically which are physically and mentally frustrating and exhausting. I would say his victory over Dawson was one where he ground him down physically and mentally. On the other hand against Alexander brand, he used his boxing skills alone not needing to grapple. Clever and a mentality that is focused on winning However a style that makes me cringe when it enters grapple bending rules. He’s been lucky with the referees as you could be almost certain things he’s done in there would not be tolerated.

How do you beat him? In my opinion you need to have good to great boxing skills, incredible stamina, incredible mental fortitude to deal with the frustration, a grappling game or you need to have great boxing skills and a good ref who is a boxing purist.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 02:15 You don't know what you really have until you've faced the best in the sport over an extended period of time. Then stop look at your resume and go from there.

Then when a guy doesn't perform or do what they boasted they would do before the fight...they start the blame game. It's everybody's fault but theirs. That's weak. You won't grow like that.

You don't have to announce "your coming" just come. You don't have to announce "I'm Next" just be next. You don't have to scream "give me my respect" you have to earn that.

Social media, entourages, media hype can give you a false sense of security. Causing you to believe you've made it, before you've actually done anything. Sad but true.

Thoughts?

lazboy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 19:18 How do you beat him? In my opinion you need to have good to great boxing skills, incredible stamina, incredible mental fortitude to deal with the frustration, a grappling game or you need to have great boxing skills and a good ref who is a boxing purist.