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Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 08:52
by Badhusker
Sounds good to me. Might as well try to get them in the ring....again. Much better fight than Dillan Whyte, which other than good money, a no-win situation for Wilder. Hearn is dragging his feet much like he did with the Spence/Brook fight. He has a better chance of getting Ortiz, since he is ranked high by WBC. WBA is black balling him, IBF isn't even ranking him, and WBO has him about 14th. They have made it impossible for Ortiz to become AJ's mandatory.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 09:47
by DrDuke
I will believe, that some of those fights would happen, only in the moment when Wilder and Ortiz/Povetkin would walk to the ring. No way I believe in it earlier.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 09:57
by boxing_rocks
F*cking hypocrite. He ran from England even before the fight against Povetkin was officially cancelled.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 11:48
by asdfjkl
Yea, because Ortiz feels screwed and doesn't trust him so he knows that fight won't ever happen and Povetkin same story, who also got the option to fight AJ.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 11:51
by asdfjkl
Why doesn't he fight Whyte, Chisora, Hughie, Takam, Andy Ruiz Jr, Pulev, name them? Nevertheless, if Povetkin/ Ortiz happens anyway, massive credits to him.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 12:05
by victor-romeo
All this guy does is talk...
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 12:26
by boxing_rocks
... and he basically made Joshua fight impossible saying "50/50 split or no fight".
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 14:39
by greg
..talk is cheap, if that's indeed what he wants, he/his team should take practical steps..he's the belt holder, surely both Povetkin and Ortiz will be interested..
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 20:11
by asdfjkl
I just heard also Parker is outpricing himself against AJ, so maybe Wilder and Parker can fight each other with a 50/50 deal, or does that sound like too hard for Wilder?
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 20:48
by jamesmcdonnell
Wilder is full of it. He has no guts.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 22:34
by Badhusker
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 20:48
Wilder is full of it. He has no guts.
Would you say that Wilder was brave enough to line and sign to take these two fights up before? Or will you be with the dumbass crowd, that has no logical basis...for basically anything?
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 07 Dec 2017, 23:55
by 493dart
asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 11:51
Why doesn't he fight Whyte, Chisora, Hughie, Takam, Andy Ruiz Jr, Pulev, name them? Nevertheless, if Povetkin/ Ortiz happens anyway, massive credits to him.
why????? those are B level contenders !! Chisora is still around?? wow
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 03:35
by Kalan
Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 22:34
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 20:48
Wilder is full of it. He has no guts.
Would you say that Wilder was brave enough to line and sign to take these two fights up before? Or will you be with the dumbass crowd, that has no logical basis...for basically anything?
How about being with the dumb assed crowd who actually thought Wilder ever intended to go through with a Povetkin or Ortiz fight??? ... He knew that those fights were going to be cancelled when he signed for them... Those signings were for show only.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 04:51
by BitPlayer
asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 11:48
Yea, because Ortiz feels screwed and doesn't trust him so he knows that fight won't ever happen and Povetkin same story, who also got the option to fight AJ.
Poor Ortiz got screwed by him taking PEDs multiple times.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 08:13
by TooMuch
RandomUsername wrote: ↑08 Dec 2017, 06:41
I smell Wilder Vs Stiverine III "The brawl for it all" coming up.
You mean Fatso's Farce III.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 09:14
by Enlightened-One
Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 08:52Might as well try to get them [Ortiz or Povetkin] in the ring....again. Much better fight than Dillan Whyte, which other than good money, a no-win situation for Wilder.
What do you mean by this?
Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 08:52Hearn is dragging his feet much like he did with the Spence/Brook fight.
Once again, what do you mean by this? Are you really saying that Hearn should pay Wilder an equal share of the total fight purse for the Joshua fight?
Badhusker wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 08:52They have made it impossible for Ortiz to become AJ's mandatory.
“They” haven’t done a single thing to Ortiz. The Cuban admitted to voluntarily consuming banned substances, whilst failing to disclose the health justification for doing so… and also failing to request an exemption. There’s no conspiracy here!
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 10:36
by asdfjkl
493dart wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 23:55
asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 11:51
Why doesn't he fight Whyte, Chisora, Hughie, Takam, Andy Ruiz Jr, Pulev, name them? Nevertheless, if Povetkin/ Ortiz happens anyway, massive credits to him.
why????? those are B level contenders !! Chisora is still around?? wow
Because Wilder only fought C level contenders yet...
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 10:38
by asdfjkl
BitPlayer wrote: ↑08 Dec 2017, 04:51
asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 11:48
Yea, because Ortiz feels screwed and doesn't trust him so he knows that fight won't ever happen and Povetkin same story, who also got the option to fight AJ.
Poor Ortiz got screwed by him taking PEDs multiple times.
He didn't take PEDs, he took some medicine and Wilder and his team claim that that medicine can be used to mask PEDs.
In other words, you drink water, I say, drink water can mask drinking alcohol.
So in the end you didn't drink alcohol at all, but I can't check that any more because you used water.
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 11:17
by Enlightened-One
asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Dec 2017, 10:38
BitPlayer wrote: ↑08 Dec 2017, 04:51
asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 11:48
Yea, because Ortiz feels screwed and doesn't trust him so he knows that fight won't ever happen and Povetkin same story, who also got the option to fight AJ.
Poor Ortiz got screwed by him taking PEDs multiple times.
He didn't take PEDs, he took some medicine and Wilder and his team claim that that medicine can be used to mask PEDs.
In other words, you drink water, I say, drink water can mask drinking alcohol.
So in the end you didn't drink alcohol at all, but I can't check that any more because you used water.
Oh FFS!
The diuretics chlorothaizide and hydrochlorothiazide, both on the banned list, can be used as masking agents for performance-enhancing drug use. They can also be used to treat high blood pressure. There's no ambiguity about this universally-recognised fact.
Luis Ortiz has already admitted to consuming these drugs, but he failed to disclose them, he failed to disclose his medical condition that justified his reason for using them and he also failed to request an exemption to allow himself to continue taking these drugs during his training camp for the Wilder fight. The WBC also performed a comprehensive battery of tests on Ortiz and found no evidence of him currently suffering from high blood pressure. They are assuming his innocence based solely on the testimony of the Cuban's elderly doctor.
The Cuban received a $25,000 fine from the WBC for non-complaince with their CBP protocols (i.e. for failing to disclose important information) and the WBA has suspended Ortiz and removed him from their rankings, due to him testing positive for banned substances for a second time.
Luis Ortiz has previously been suspended by the WBA for testing positive for the banned anabolic steroid nandrolone.
Stop trying to put a spin on things and stick to the facts!
Re: Wilder wants Ortiz or Povetkin next
Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 15:54
by asdfjkl
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Dec 2017, 11:17
asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Dec 2017, 10:38
BitPlayer wrote: ↑08 Dec 2017, 04:51
Poor Ortiz got screwed by him taking PEDs multiple times.
He didn't take PEDs, he took some medicine and Wilder and his team claim that that medicine can be used to mask PEDs.
In other words, you drink water, I say, drink water can mask drinking alcohol.
So in the end you didn't drink alcohol at all, but I can't check that any more because you used water.
Oh FFS!
The diuretics chlorothaizide and hydrochlorothiazide, both on the banned list, can be used as masking agents for performance-enhancing drug use. They can also be used to treat high blood pressure. There's no ambiguity about this universally-recognised fact.
Luis Ortiz has already admitted to consuming these drugs, but he failed to disclose them, he failed to disclose his medical condition that justified his reason for using them and he also failed to request an exemption to allow himself to continue taking these drugs during his training camp for the Wilder fight. The WBC also performed a comprehensive battery of tests on Ortiz and found no evidence of him currently suffering from high blood pressure. They are assuming his innocence based solely on the testimony of the Cuban's elderly doctor.
The Cuban received a $25,000 fine from the WBC for non-complaince with their CBP protocols (i.e. for failing to disclose important information) and the WBA has suspended Ortiz and removed him from their rankings, due to him testing positive for banned substances for a second time.
Luis Ortiz has previously been suspended by the WBA for testing positive for the banned anabolic steroid nandrolone.
Stop trying to put a spin on things and stick to the facts!
So I was right, it didn't make him stronger, or in better shape or anything like that, but it could theoretically be used to do something similar as water with alcohol?