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Seems like Luis Ortiz will get another chance.

This will be the judgement day for all of those haters and hopeless trolls who said it was all Wilder's fault.

They will call Ortiz washed up bum for sure!!

I rate Ortiz over Pulev and Parker and they are pretty even with Pedvetkin (Ortiz is more dangerous for Wilder due to his longer reach tho)


So let's see what happens. Prepare your excuses after Ortiz gets shattered

Who needs excuses? I don't think a whole lot of people were exactly thinking Wilder couldn't beat him. I just wasn't surprised to see Wilder not fight him because he's a Top 10 ranked opponent, just like I won't be surprised when it doesn't happen now in spite of all of Wilder's talk.

Just like I've always said, if Wilder beats Ortiz in the ring in a fair way, he earned the AJ fight, somehow I can now very well understand it if Ortiz ducks him, he's clearly miles above the maturity level of Wilder with his silly behaviour.
I still think Wilder simply has another excuse left in his pocket that can help him out of this fight actually happening.

I predicted it last time, I'll predict it again. Once again, why Ortiz for 2 mil if you can fight a much more easy win against Dillian Whyte for 5 milion? Also, a victory over Dillian Whyte almost guarantees him a shot at AJ, but for some odd reason he refuses that? Also, he badly wanted to fight Parker a few months ago, but now Parker is availeble we hear nothing about that any more? AJ his promotor just said Povetkin might become his next opponent and all of a sudden Wilder wants to figth Povetkin right now :S?! It's just such silly predictive behaviour, Wilder ain't planning to fight anyone serious, he's just acting like he does without ever actually doing it.

Wilder would beat Ortiz in a fair way I figure. It's just a matter of whether or not he ever actually steps in the ring with a Top 10 opponent.

I highly doubt Ortiz would make more to fight Dillian Whyte, and if he would he's a complete idiot for not doing so.

Gil You mean you doubt Wilder (not Ortiz) would make more money fighting Whyte don't you? Ortiz v Whyte hasn't really been up for discussion except in the most fleeting of mentions of possible matches.

I don't know how much Wilder would get for a voluntary against Ortiz but I believe Hearn offered Deontay US$ 4 million to fight Whyte in London.

candyslim wrote: ↑09 Dec 2017, 14:50 Gil You mean you doubt Wilder (not Ortiz) would make more money fighting Whyte don't you? Ortiz v Whyte hasn't really been up for discussion except in the most fleeting of mentions of possible matches.

I don't know how much Wilder would get for a voluntary against Ortiz but I believe Hearn offered Deontay US$ 4 million to fight Whyte in London.

Well then the same applies to what I said about Ortiz. Wilder would be a moron to turn down more money to fight a lesser opponent.

I don't think there are major doubts in Wilder being a moron.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑09 Dec 2017, 16:46 I don't think there are major doubts in Wilder being a moron.

It's called self promotion lol. His promoter sucks hard.

Same goes for Fury and another "clowns".

They are good boys in real life

IronFrost wrote: ↑09 Dec 2017, 17:37

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑09 Dec 2017, 16:46 I don't think there are major doubts in Wilder being a moron.

It's called self promotion lol. His promoter sucks hard.

Same goes for Fury and another "clowns".

They are good boys in real life

Shutup brut

Wilder winning is far from a lock. Ortiz is very dangerous. Wilder should be no more than a 3/1 favorite. There must be a reason why Joshua never has mentioned Ortiz's name. Imo he is better than Parker or Povetkin. Glad to see top guys fighting. I just hope the winner of Joshua/Parker meets the winner of Ortiz/Wilder.

Badhusker wrote: ↑09 Dec 2017, 19:27 Wilder winning is far from a lock. Ortiz is very dangerous. Wilder should be no more than a 3/1 favorite. There must be a reason why Joshua never has mentioned Ortiz's name. Imo he is better than Parker or Povetkin. Glad to see top guys fighting. I just hope the winner of Joshua/Parker meets the winner of Ortiz/Wilder.

Yeah he is dangerous. No doubt that Joshua and Hearn ducked Ortiz for fake fight against Pulev (Takam).

Joshua had two mandatory defences to fulfil. The older obligation was the IBF Pulev, the WBA Ortiz mandatory only in existence since Joshua's win over Klitschko. If either of the two governing bodies were going to strip AJ for failure to fight their man it would have been the IBF. See Tyson Fury.

Both Pulev and Ortiz were ranked top six, which more highly depending on whose rankins you look at. Ortiz was definitely the bigger risk and Pulev the sensible option to take first.

Ortiz wa always going to be next up in the spring of 2018 but Ortiz decided to relieve Wilder of his WBC belt and fight Joshua in a unification. That went well.

In Joshua's 13th fight he became the first man to stop Kevin Johnson. His next four were against undefeated opposition including top ten (then or now) opponents Whyte, Martin and Breazeale each one duly starched.

He then unifies against an all time great, defends the first of two mandatories and is now in negotiations to fight one or other of his fellow unbeaten champions.

Anybody using the term "ducking" in relation to Anthony Joshua is either a troll or a fukcing idiot, take your pick.

agree. wilder by ktfo then a bunch of stuff like ppl never rated ortiz in the firsr place.

IronFrost wrote: ↑09 Dec 2017, 17:37

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑09 Dec 2017, 16:46 I don't think there are major doubts in Wilder being a moron.

It's called self promotion lol. His promoter sucks hard.

Same goes for Fury and another "clowns".

They are good boys in real life

They're insane in real life... Fury could have made 15 to 20 million just for showing up for his rematch with Klitschko and answering the first bell... How well trained do you have to be for that??? ... At least Buster Douglas answered the bell for his first Title Defense and collected a monster pay check... He wasn't dumb enough to pass that up ... trained well or not.

Well I do rate Ortiz and I will give Wilder credit win or lose if the fight takes place. I don't give Wilder any credit for talking only for fighting, and yes that does include fights which are aborted whoever is to blame - credit for fighting and only for fighting.

I promise I will credit Wilder for fighting Ortiz however it turns out, but, and I'm sorry if it sounds like getting excuses in early, there is no question Ortiz has been a genuine contender, his dismantling of the capable Bryant Jennings was awesome, but the guy is 38 years old officially and could even be pushing 50 in reality. Even if you accept he's 39 at the time of the fight, even the best at that age can become totally shot more or less overnight. Maybe that's why Wilder seems to fancy the job, his record does not show him to be a risk taker.

If Wilder were to blast him out, even do a Stiverne on him, there will be many saying, and a great many more thinking, that it would have a different story a few years ago. Sorry Wilder fans, I know you don't want to hear this, but it is what it is, and there is little point denying it.

Kalan : Is that (he needed only to answer the opening bell to earn a fortune) not the best possible proof that Tyson's mental problems were genuine?

candyslim wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 04:18 Joshua had two mandatory defences to fulfil. The older obligation was the IBF Pulev, the WBA Ortiz mandatory only in existence since Joshua's win over Klitschko. If either of the two governing bodies were going to strip AJ for failure to fight their man it would have been the IBF. See Tyson Fury.

Both Pulev and Ortiz were ranked top six, which more highly depending on whose rankins you look at. Ortiz was definitely the bigger risk and Pulev the sensible option to take first.

Ortiz wa always going to be next up in the spring of 2018 but Ortiz decided to relieve Wilder of his WBC belt and fight Joshua in a unification. That went well.

In Joshua's 13th fight he became the first man to stop Kevin Johnson. His next four were against undefeated opposition including top ten (then or now) opponents Whyte, Martin and Breazeale each one duly starched.

He then unifies against an all time great, defends the first of two mandatories and is now in negotiations to fight one or other of his fellow unbeaten champions.

Anybody using the term "ducking" in relation to Anthony Joshua is either a troll or a fukcing idiot, take your pick.

There definitely was some confusion of who was supposed to be next. Hearn and Joshua took the easier route.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... luis-ortiz

candyslim wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 05:29 Kalan : Is that (he needed only to answer the opening bell to earn a fortune) not the best possible proof that Tyson's mental problems were genuine?

It is.... And I think Wilder will have genuine mental problems after Ortiz knocks him out.... IF the fight happens soon.

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 12:16

candyslim wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 04:18 Joshua had two mandatory defences to fulfil. The older obligation was the IBF Pulev, the WBA Ortiz mandatory only in existence since Joshua's win over Klitschko. If either of the two governing bodies were going to strip AJ for failure to fight their man it would have been the IBF. See Tyson Fury.

Both Pulev and Ortiz were ranked top six, which more highly depending on whose rankins you look at. Ortiz was definitely the bigger risk and Pulev the sensible option to take first.

Ortiz wa always going to be next up in the spring of 2018 but Ortiz decided to relieve Wilder of his WBC belt and fight Joshua in a unification. That went well.

In Joshua's 13th fight he became the first man to stop Kevin Johnson. His next four were against undefeated opposition including top ten (then or now) opponents Whyte, Martin and Breazeale each one duly starched.

He then unifies against an all time great, defends the first of two mandatories and is now in negotiations to fight one or other of his fellow unbeaten champions.

Anybody using the term "ducking" in relation to Anthony Joshua is either a troll or a fukcing idiot, take your pick.

There definitely was some confusion of who was supposed to be next. Hearn and Joshua took the easier route.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... luis-ortiz

They were always going to fight Pulev first. There is no doubt in my mind that Pulev would have been food for AJ whereas Ortiz was much more of a risk. The only "confusion" was generated by the WBA/ Ortiz, but they were never going to be first. They were however always going to be second, and the fact they no longer are is purely due to the choices they made.

Fighting Pulev first was sensible business decision. There was no reason Ortiz should have jumped ahead of Pulev and no reason to berate Hearn or Joshua for defending the first title AJ won, before the second.

Strange fight. Ortiz is an elite boxer, no doubt, but is almost 40 and the last bouts weren't so good. I'd say 60-40 for Wilder.

geronimo wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:08 Strange fight. Ortiz is an elite boxer, no doubt, but is almost 40 and the last bouts weren't so good. I'd say 60-40 for Wilder.

At least Ortiz isn't 41, been off a year and a half, and looked like dogshit his last fight like Wlad did before the Joshua fight. One would think AJ wouldn't get a lot of credit for that either, but it turns out to be by far his best win.

Badhusker wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:51

geronimo wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:08 Strange fight. Ortiz is an elite boxer, no doubt, but is almost 40 and the last bouts weren't so good. I'd say 60-40 for Wilder.

At least Ortiz isn't 41, been off a year and a half, and looked like dogshit his last fight like Wlad did before the Joshua fight. One would think AJ wouldn't get a lot of credit for that either, but it turns out to be by far his best win.

I'm going to have to agree on this. Joshua gets way to much credit for Wlad.

Badhusker wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:51

geronimo wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:08 Strange fight. Ortiz is an elite boxer, no doubt, but is almost 40 and the last bouts weren't so good. I'd say 60-40 for Wilder.

At least Ortiz isn't 41, been off a year and a half, and looked like dogshit his last fight like Wlad did before the Joshua fight. One would think AJ wouldn't get a lot of credit for that either, but it turns out to be by far his best win.

I'm no fan of Joshua but c'mon, Wlad could fight Wilder tomorrow and he would be a better opponent than Ortiz.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 10:56

Badhusker wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:51

geronimo wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:08 Strange fight. Ortiz is an elite boxer, no doubt, but is almost 40 and the last bouts weren't so good. I'd say 60-40 for Wilder.

At least Ortiz isn't 41, been off a year and a half, and looked like dogshit his last fight like Wlad did before the Joshua fight. One would think AJ wouldn't get a lot of credit for that either, but it turns out to be by far his best win.

I'm no fan of Joshua but c'mon, Wlad could fight Wilder tomorrow and he would be a better opponent than Ortiz.

Exactly, W. Klitschko was a champion, Ortiz isn't.

Badhusker wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:51

geronimo wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 06:08 Strange fight. Ortiz is an elite boxer, no doubt, but is almost 40 and the last bouts weren't so good. I'd say 60-40 for Wilder.

At least Ortiz isn't 41, been off a year and a half, and looked like dogshit his last fight like Wlad did before the Joshua fight. One would think AJ wouldn't get a lot of credit for that either, but it turns out to be by far his best win.

Too much credit for defeating by far the best HW of this millennium so far in the fight of the year? AJ defeated a far more focused and dangerous version of WKlit than The Kong of Coke Mountain did. That is why the giant blob developed “mental issues,” that preempted the rematch; the fear of experiencing The Land of Twitch on a UK canvas.

Sure, Wilder will likely KTFO Ortiz. Let’s see it. Because if Ortiz lands Wilder will become the giant black preying mantis on ice that he has always been destined to be.

ortiz is gonna stop wilder in rd 3 with a straight left hand right down the pipe ....and the first 2 rds wilder is gonna feel some serious shots to the body