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size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 00:32
by jamamb
size matters but technque and strategy wse he was on point
the angles and turns still were very effectve and had rigo missng. fast steps back. landing fast jabs and outjabbng guy wth longer reach. rigo hardly had any speed advantage. let hands go at correct times.
garca still beats loma though
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 00:33
by DrDuke
It was more about speed.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 00:33
by lookingaround87
Rigo was ducking below the belt the entire fight. That was his only defensive tactic.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 12:04
by Badhusker
"This is not his weight so it's not a big win for me," Lomachenko, who won gold medals at the Beijing and London Olympics, told reporters. "But he's a good fighter, he's got great skills. I adjusted to his style, low blows and all."
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 21:32
by Evander
Lomachenko looked good, his movement and ability to create angles to get off some of his shots was superb.
Rigondeaux looked lost after 3-4 rounds and surprisingly had ran out of ideas even that early, he struck me as a boxer who was looking for a way out.
Lomachenko was trying to make a fight of it while Rigondeaux's constant holding indicated his unwillingness to fight, you could see Rigondeaux becoming ever so more agitated as the rounds went on, Lomachenko's timing and movement were clearly frustrating Rigondeaux.
The weight didn't seem to play an overriding role in the bout and I didn't see any kind of excessive injury that would have prevented Rigondeaux going on, I think Lomachenko's style and the mental pace that had been set was enough of a deterrent to convince Rigondeaux to stop.
Lomachenko comes out of it smelling of roses and will get a very favourable P4P ranking out of it, he looked good won clean came to fight and is one of the best boxers in the world today.
Good luck to him I was impressed.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 22:02
by Tanzio
Evander wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 21:32
Lomachenko looked good, his movement and ability to create angles to get off some of his shots was superb.
Rigondeaux looked lost after 3-4 rounds and surprisingly had ran out of ideas even that early, he struck me as a boxer who was looking for a way out.
Lomachenko was trying to make a fight of it while Rigondeaux's constant holding indicated his unwillingness to fight, you could see Rigondeaux becoming ever so more agitated as the rounds went on, Lomachenko's timing and movement were clearly frustrating Rigondeaux.
The weight didn't seem to play an overriding role in the bout and I didn't see any kind of excessive injury that would have prevented Rigondeaux going on, I think Lomachenko's style and the mental pace that had been set was enough of a deterrent to convince Rigondeaux to stop.
Lomachenko comes out of it smelling of roses and will get a very favourable P4P ranking out of it, he looked good won clean came to fight and is one of the best boxers in the world today.
Good luck to him I was impressed.
I agree that Nomassiah was terrific. However, size and age matter, especially when the smaller and older combatant has been relatively inactive.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 22:17
by Evander
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:02
Evander wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 21:32
Lomachenko looked good, his movement and ability to create angles to get off some of his shots was superb.
Rigondeaux looked lost after 3-4 rounds and surprisingly had ran out of ideas even that early, he struck me as a boxer who was looking for a way out.
Lomachenko was trying to make a fight of it while Rigondeaux's constant holding indicated his unwillingness to fight, you could see Rigondeaux becoming ever so more agitated as the rounds went on, Lomachenko's timing and movement were clearly frustrating Rigondeaux.
The weight didn't seem to play an overriding role in the bout and I didn't see any kind of excessive injury that would have prevented Rigondeaux going on, I think Lomachenko's style and the mental pace that had been set was enough of a deterrent to convince Rigondeaux to stop.
Lomachenko comes out of it smelling of roses and will get a very favourable P4P ranking out of it, he looked good won clean came to fight and is one of the best boxers in the world today.
Good luck to him I was impressed.
I agree that Nomassiah was terrific. However, size and age matter, especially when the smaller and older combatant has been relatively inactive.
Age I'd agree played a role, size no because as I've said in the past I don't think Lomachenko is this concussive hitter some make him out to be,
He's a boxer who's power of punch comes predominantly from his positioning, accuracy, timing and delivery.
Don't get me wrong he's not feathered fisted but he's neither a heavy duty banger either.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 22:43
by Tanzio
Evander wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:17
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:02
Evander wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 21:32
Lomachenko looked good, his movement and ability to create angles to get off some of his shots was superb.
Rigondeaux looked lost after 3-4 rounds and surprisingly had ran out of ideas even that early, he struck me as a boxer who was looking for a way out.
Lomachenko was trying to make a fight of it while Rigondeaux's constant holding indicated his unwillingness to fight, you could see Rigondeaux becoming ever so more agitated as the rounds went on, Lomachenko's timing and movement were clearly frustrating Rigondeaux.
The weight didn't seem to play an overriding role in the bout and I didn't see any kind of excessive injury that would have prevented Rigondeaux going on, I think Lomachenko's style and the mental pace that had been set was enough of a deterrent to convince Rigondeaux to stop.
Lomachenko comes out of it smelling of roses and will get a very favourable P4P ranking out of it, he looked good won clean came to fight and is one of the best boxers in the world today.
Good luck to him I was impressed.
I agree that Nomassiah was terrific. However, size and age matter, especially when the smaller and older combatant has been relatively inactive.
Age I'd agree played a role, size no because as I've said in the past I don't think Lomachenko is this concussive hitter some make him out to be,
He's a boxer who's power of punch comes predominantly from his positioning, accuracy, timing and delivery.
Don't get me wrong he's not feathered fisted but he's neither a heavy duty banger either.
The size difference was very significant. Nomassiah took full advantage of his height, weight, and strength advantages.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 23:02
by jamamb
was faster or just as fast too
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 23:06
by punchoutsb
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:43
Evander wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:17
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:02
I agree that Nomassiah was terrific. However, size and age matter, especially when the smaller and older combatant has been relatively inactive.
Age I'd agree played a role, size no because as I've said in the past I don't think Lomachenko is this concussive hitter some make him out to be,
He's a boxer who's power of punch comes predominantly from his positioning, accuracy, timing and delivery.
Don't get me wrong he's not feathered fisted but he's neither a heavy duty banger either.
The size difference was very significant. Nomassiah took full advantage of his height, weight, and strength advantages.
His speed and movement is what was winning him the fight. Rigo initiated clinches which Loma either struggled to break free from or instantly looked to the ref. He never really needed to dip into any strength or weight advantages.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 10 Dec 2017, 23:54
by Evander
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:43
Evander wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:17
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 22:02
I agree that Nomassiah was terrific. However, size and age matter, especially when the smaller and older combatant has been relatively inactive.
Age I'd agree played a role, size no because as I've said in the past I don't think Lomachenko is this concussive hitter some make him out to be,
He's a boxer who's power of punch comes predominantly from his positioning, accuracy, timing and delivery.
Don't get me wrong he's not feathered fisted but he's neither a heavy duty banger either.
The size difference was very significant. Nomassiah took full advantage of his height, weight, and strength advantages.
Agree to disagree.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 02:37
by Evander
Lomachenko looks like one of the most alive and in the moment boxers I've ever seen.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 02:54
by jamamb
very sharp regardless of size. rigo is fast and accurate enough that even with size difference making him missso much while being offensive is impressive.compubox had rigo at 8 percent connect. gary russel at 9. not sure ive seen a fighter reduce two guys that good to single digits before. i know compubox aint perfect but either way lomas mixing d and o very well.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 03:07
by Evander
That picture tells a weight story.
Lomachenko looks enormous there.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 11:19
by boxing_rocks
Evander wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 03:07
That picture tells a weight story.
Lomachenko looks enormous there.
Surprise: a person closer to a camera looks much bigger.
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 11:22
by jamamb
video by the way
Re: size matters but really impressed by loma
Posted: 11 Dec 2017, 11:58
by Impractical Poster
I'm not sure the fight would have looked much different had they been the same size.
Usually it's power that will win it for the bigger guy. For example... GGG was getting outboxed by the smaller, faster Brook until G started walking him down and landing bombs.
At no point in the fight did Rigo look like he had any control of the fight. Despite size, he was outskilled, along with out-everything else. Size wouldn't have made a bit of difference in the outcome of this bout.