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If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 15:33
by apollo creed
Don't know why but I think BJS is the strongest man in this fight. Lemieux would get tagged a lot by BJS. What do you think guys ?
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 15:42
by Cloutov
I think you are wrong.
Strongest guy is definetly Lemieux, Saunders the slicky one and he is going to get tag by the end.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 16:55
by apollo creed
Cloutov wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 15:42
I think you are wrong.
Strongest guy is definetly Lemieux, Saunders the slicky one and he is going to get tag by the end.
Probably
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 17:59
by jamamb
if saunders stops lemieux.....
okay, so then what? strange thread.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:10
by Impractical Poster
I'll be bummed if Saunder's stops David.
I'll be happy is David stops Saunder's.
That is all.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:11
by Enlightened-One
apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 15:33
Don't know why but I think BJS is the strongest man in this fight. Lemieux would get tagged a lot by BJS. What do you think guys ?
I can't help thinking you're right about this. Saunders looks physically much bigger in height and width than Lemieux and he's ripped too.
His pre-fight antics seem pretty vicious and confident too.
Saunders has always been an underachiever, but with his military style training regimen at the Ingle gym in Sheffield seems to have elevated him somewhat.
I'm expecting a late Saunders stoppage, victory, unless Lemieux loses ambition and tries to survive.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Saunders has somehow turned into the second coming of Julie Jackson overnight, but I feel that even dripping water wears away stone.
What I mean by that, is my expectation that the cumulative effect of Saunders elusiveness and jabbing will overwhelm Lemieux during the later rounds.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:13
by jamamb
saunders much bigger? im not seeing that at all mate. he was barely taller too. do you have pictures where he looks far bigger? ive always thought saunders could campaign at 154 if he was disciplined enough.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:17
by Enlightened-One
jamamb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 18:13
saunders much bigger? im not seeing that at all mate. he was barely taller too. do you have pictures where he looks far bigger? ive always thought saunders could campaign at 154 if he was disciplined enough.
I watched the weigh-in. Saunders is a couple of inches taller and Lemieux appears to have a slimmer build.
That might change come fight night, when the challenger becomes rehydrated, but the video of the weigh-in tells an intriguing story.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:24
by jamamb
not seeing a big size advantage for bjs at all mate.hes not a big mw.lem probably tighter at mw when theyre both in shape.imo bjs decision is most likely outcome.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:28
by Enlightened-One
jamamb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 18:24
not seeing a big size advantage for bjs at all mate.hes not a big mw.
I don't think that Saunders is a "big" middleweight, but he doesn't look diminutive compared to Lemieux. In fact, the Brit looks marginally bigger.
For sure, the GBP fighter may be the betting favourite, but I feel that Saunders is capable of scoring the upset.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:30
by jamamb
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:34
by boxing_rocks
In the last 3 years/6 fights, BJS had one stoppage against 17-27 opponent. In the last 6 years, Lemieux had 1 stoppage loss against somebody who was stopping all his opponents. Thus, probability of the event in the title is close to zero.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:38
by Enlightened-One
Of course, you're right. The betting odds are close. I read a few bookies that favoured the challenger, but this seems to be a pick 'em type fight, but I favour the Brit.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 18:57
by jamamb
if saunders beats lemieux he has
eubank
lee
lemieux
ryder
monroe
blackwell
fletcher
blandamura
imo not that far off ggg. another few good wins and almost there.hes 7 yrs younger than ggg too so more time to add.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 19:00
by Evander
I saw the weigh in and Dominic Ingle seemed pretty sure when he said David Lemieux stepped on the scales and it flickered between 160 and 160.2.
He then went onto to say that Lemieux did make 160 on the second attempt.
But what was more important was when Ingle said Lemieux was apparently in the gym this morning trying to shed excess weight and at the press conference not looking anywhere near 160.
That's Ingle's opinion anyway and he did seem sincere, point of it all is has David Lemieux trained hard for the fight is what I got out of all of it.
Guess we'll see tomorrow.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 19:19
by lazboy
I’m tossing up whether this could happen. I don’t see sanders as much of a finisher but if Lemieux is gassed and has been hitting air he is very vulnerable.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 19:33
by jamamb
ya although does saunders have the gas himself. hes never stopped anyone past 8 and usually fades to.ad on to that that he just really isnt a banger. though he can land those sneaky shots like he dropped lee with.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 19:42
by caldo2025
apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 15:33
Don't know why but I think BJS is the strongest man in this fight. Lemieux would get tagged a lot by BJS. What do you think guys ?
Great question I think. I've been a fan of Lemieux and haven't missed him fight in a long time. How can you not be a fan of his style really? But you don't have to be a fan to notice that his conditioning + power punch volume are competing against each other from the first bell. Lemieux doesn't know how to not throw a punch as hard as he can. Lemieux only has a certain number of power punches he can throw and he usually spends them way before the end of the fight.
If I had to bet the fight, I'd bet on BJS with a late stoppage as a result of the above. I haven't seen a ton of BJS's fights but i've never seen him buzzed or goofy in the legs from a punch so i'm assuming he's got a good chin.
If the above happens then you have to give BJS a tip of the hat and put him right up there with GGG, Canelo, Charlo, and Jacobs. If BJS gets beaten by Lemieux then Lemieux deserves the winner of Canelo/GGG II. Plain and simple. Lemieux deserves it because he's mowed down people left and right.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 19:43
by lazboy
If anything it would be very late in the fight. Points is more sensible though.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 20:33
by Ricky_
jamamb wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 18:24
not seeing a big size advantage for bjs at all mate.hes not a big mw.lem probably tighter at mw when theyre both in shape.imo bjs decision is most likely outcome.
Fergus (enlightened one) is remarkably unenlightened when it comes to weight. The guy is entirely clueless and regularly makes a fool of himself. Only yesterday he tried to tell me Ward wasn't a bigger man than Froch. Lol.
Was hard to see a good side-by-side at the weigh in due to the antics but Lemieux looked a little thicker - and the more heavily drained. Lemeiux will have a weight advantage in the ring and will knock Saunders out.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 21:30
by Cas
Don't believe the hype. Lemieux will finish Saunders off. I will be shocked if Saunders doesn't get knocked out.
Lemieux in six rounds. Saunders is in deep.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 21:42
by jamamb
bjs close-ish on points. looking vulnerable at times and like he may wilt, but able to stay just a step in front. imo.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 22:01
by Evander
It's a tough fight to predict.
Lemieux really is a big hitter at 38-3 [33 KO's] and he's only 28 years of age.
Boxing wise Lemieux squares up without any real substantial focus on defence but can put your lights out quickly, However the style and physical and mental attributes needed to succeed with such an approach comes with conquences.
Lemieux is a boxer who wants to sprint to the finish line with classical thrive and to the drumbeat of a puncher who knows nothing other than head on tactics which he's good at.
BJS is a more complicated boxer as his style and approach isnt neccasarily reliant on one particular avenue of his game.
If he's up for it BJS is slick smart clever and very attentive to the goings on around him, he has a strong sense of the now in terms of how a contest is progressing and what needs to be done.
BJS defence may play a very large role in the fight because it's almost inevitable Lemieux will take it to him, if BJS manages the distance, can tie up, make miss and block he will do well.
It's close as Lemieux's power is such an important factor in the outcome, but if BJS plays it cool and smart he could beat Lemieux.
As for judges cuts and all the other known intangibles then it becomes a coin flip.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 22:37
by Impractical Poster
It's true David is a straight forward kinda guy. But, he does it with such speed, intensity, and power, it is too much for almost anyone to deal with. To me, David is the truth revealer. If Saunder's wins this one, he is a special fighter, IMO.
Re: If Saunders stops Lemieux...
Posted: 15 Dec 2017, 22:38
by lazboy
Evander wrote: ↑15 Dec 2017, 22:01
It's a tough fight to predict.
Lemieux really is a big hitter at 38-3 [33 KO's] and he's only 28 years of age.
Boxing wise Lemieux squares up without any real substantial focus on defence but can put your lights out quickly, However the style and physical and mental attributes needed to succeed with such an approach comes with conquences.
Lemieux is a boxer who wants to sprint to the finish line with classical thrive and to the drumbeat of a puncher who knows nothing other than head on tactics which he's good at.
BJS is a more complicated boxer as his style and approach isnt neccasarily reliant on one particular avenue of his game.
If he's up for it BJS is slick smart clever and very attentive to the goings on around him, he has a strong sense of the now in terms of how a contest is progressing and what needs to be done.
BJS defence may play a very large role in the fight because it's almost inevitable Lemieux will take it to him, if BJS manages the distance, can tie up, make miss and block he will do well.
It's close as Lemieux's power is such an important factor in the outcome, but if BJS plays it cool and smart he could beat Lemieux.
As for judges cuts and all the other known intangibles then it becomes a coin flip.
Good assessment.