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Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 08:53
by asdfjkl
Top Schwarz is scheduled to fight at 3 februari, I wonder who will fight him, he's a big talent that proved himself to be a top 50 boxer already at least.
I hope he can get someone like Whyte, or Miller in Februari, sounds like awesome fights to me.
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 09:16
by candyslim
He should fight Michael Wallisch but he won't because they both prefer a diet of patsies.
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 09:43
by TheGingerBomber
You can forgive a kid of his age for having a crap record, but it's time to start stepping up. A nice EBU-eliminator could benefit him, before stepping up to Kabayel.
He's gonna be playing catch up to Joe Joyce & Filip Hrgovic if he doesn't hurry. With such awe surrounding AJ/Wilder/Fury, he can benefit from the buzz of the division by making his move.
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 13:59
by chinarich
There's no one of any substance on his record, the only thing he has going for him is that he's probably better than Tyrone Spong...
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 16:13
by Lackeos
As young as he is, it's not something that can be reasonably predicted. But if you're expecting Whyte or Miller, you're waaaaaaaaaaay off. Not even remotely close, dude.
-Schwarz is 23 years old. So what kind of opponents does the average 23-year-old heavyweight fight? Jarrell Miller was fighting Donnie Crawford at that age. Dillian Whyte was fighting Tayar Mehmed at that age.
-Schwarz is a #42-ranked prospect. What is a typical opponent for a #42-ranked prospect? When Jarrell Miller moved into the top 45, he was fighting Donovan Dennis as his next opponent. After Erkan Teper moved into the top 45, he fought Martin Rogan. After David Price moved into the top 45, he fought John McDermott. After Adrian Granat moved into the top 45, he fought Franz Rill. After Charles Martin moved into the top 45, he fought Tyyab Beale. When Dominick Breazeale moved into the top 45, his next opponent was Epifanio Mendoza.
-Schwarz's best opponent in his entire career had a boxrec rating of 19.
-The biggest step-up Schwarz has ever made was when he fought an opponent whose boxrec rating was 7 points higher than his previous highest-rated opponent.
The most ambitious opponent you could possibly expect is someone whose rating is like 9 points higher than Redzovic. So we're talking about fighters who are, at most, rated #85, like Werner Kreiskott, Alex Leapai, and Arnold Gjergjaj.
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 16:16
by gilgamesh
Yeah. Heavyweights tend to be moved along a lot more carefully toward the top.
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 17:53
by Kalan
TheGingerBomber wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 09:43
You can forgive a kid of his age for having a crap record, but it's time to start stepping up ..... With such awe surrounding AJ/Wilder/Fury, he can benefit from the buzz of the division by making his move.
He'd get destroyed if the made his move... He won't be ready for top Heavyweights for years... Miller would kill him.
Schwarz hasn't fought anybody and looks like a rank amateur... He looked terrible against Mesencev - getting decked by a ridiculous Cruiserweight... That was over 2 years ago, but he hasn't gotten much better... He's not no jab and no weapons... He can't box a lick of defend himself... He looks quick and he takes a punch well... He has power, but can't use it... He's real big and tall - but it's obvious that he's got horrible coaching and doesn't do any strength training...
Do you know how many trainers Joshua has and how many hours a day he works out??? Schwarz doesn't do any work. He's very soft looking, loads his punches like crazy,, and leaves himself wide open. If he showed tremendous potential I think a top trainer would have tried to hook up with him by now.
If you have 19 fights and you're undefeated, you're either really good or you fought terrible opponents... He hasn't fought a single Heavyweight who's going anywhere... If he does soon he'll be exposed like Mac Foster or Cleveland Williams.
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 17:54
by asdfjkl
Lackeos wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 16:13
As young as he is, it's not something that can be reasonably predicted. But if you're expecting Whyte or Miller, you're waaaaaaaaaaay off. Not even remotely close, dude.
-Schwarz is 23 years old. So what kind of opponents does the average 23-year-old heavyweight fight? Jarrell Miller was fighting Donnie Crawford at that age. Dillian Whyte was fighting Tayar Mehmed at that age.
-Schwarz is a #42-ranked prospect. What is a typical opponent for a #42-ranked prospect? When Jarrell Miller moved into the top 45, he was fighting Donovan Dennis as his next opponent. After Erkan Teper moved into the top 45, he fought Martin Rogan. After David Price moved into the top 45, he fought John McDermott. After Adrian Granat moved into the top 45, he fought Franz Rill. After Charles Martin moved into the top 45, he fought Tyyab Beale. When Dominick Breazeale moved into the top 45, his next opponent was Epifanio Mendoza.
-Schwarz's best opponent in his entire career had a boxrec rating of 19.
-The biggest step-up Schwarz has ever made was when he fought an opponent whose boxrec rating was 7 points higher than his previous highest-rated opponent.
The most ambitious opponent you could possibly expect is someone whose rating is like 9 points higher than Redzovic. So we're talking about fighters who are, at most, rated #85, like Werner Kreiskott, Alex Leapai, and Arnold Gjergjaj.
I looked at this list:
http://www.wboboxing.com/rankings
If he wants to e a higher rank as his current rank 5...
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 18:07
by Kalan
I looked at the WBO rankings as well... Schwarz is ranked # 5 ahead of Hughie Fury - who would murder him if they fought right now... These raters have no idea what they're looking at... They're going by the record and how big this guy is.
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 18:13
by Lackeos
ABC rankings are nothing more than a ranking of how much sanctioning fees each fighter has paid to the organization. It is no accurate way of ranking fighters. You should know this already.
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 19:46
by gilgamesh
Kalan wrote: ↑17 Dec 2017, 18:07
I looked at the WBO rankings as well... Schwarz is ranked # 5 ahead of Hughie Fury - who would murder him if they fought right now... These raters have no idea what they're looking at... They're going by the record and how big this guy is.
They're going by the kickbacks they've received from the promoters of these fighters. That's how they all work. WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO...whatever
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 22:31
by Kalan
Oh WOW.... Schwarz's people have deep pockets and are getting him highly ranked by paying the WBO kickbacks.
What good does that do right now??? ... Is he going to get a title crack at Parker, Wilder, or Joshua and get murdered???
He's 23... They want him rushed into the top 5??? ... what's the deal with that??? .... If he actually got one of the world's better boxing coaches and a great strength trainer he might develop world class skills in 3 or 4 years... Looking at where his skills are right now - he's taking big shots to the head and beating punching bags - you don't want him ranked right now.
They took so long bringing up Deontay Wilder that they got chicken fat on him.... But at least he's assured of making 10's of millions cuz he eventually learned how to box and defend himself a little....
Getting highly rated and moving too quickly doesn't work... It's one big money shot and you're trashed.
Re: Who will Tom Schwarz fight?
Posted: 18 Dec 2017, 13:13
by Dwayne Rudenkoslav
Schwarz is a good young HW talent. I like him I think hes underrated . Big, tough. Good skills. Impressive for his age. He already has haters it seems. Whoever said fatbum slow Miller is better is smoking crack. He was scheduled to face the unfefeated pole Marcin Ciwy last year I'd like to see that fight rearranged.