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Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 25 Dec 2017, 17:50
by Freedom2013
Fighter of the Year: Vasyl Lomachenko

http://fightnews.com/fighter-year-vasyl ... enko/11147
Three one-sided world title defenses. And all three times discouraged opponents were pulled out of the fight to avoid further punishment. WBO junior lightweight world champion Vasyl Lomachenko separated himself from the pack in 2017 to not only win Fightnews.com®

Fighter of the Year honors, but also to make a strong argument for the #1 position in the P4P rankings.

Lomachenko. In April, Loma stopped WBA featherweight champion Jason Sosa after nine rounds. In August, he returned to halt Miguel Marriaga after seven rounds. And finally, in a December showdown between two two-time Olympic gold medalists, Lomachenko dominated Guillermo Rigondeaux forcing the highly regarded Rigo to quit after six rounds.
Lomachenko beat out Terence Crawford and Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, who both went 2-0 in 2017.

WBC/WBO junior welterweight champion Crawford had wins over Felix Diaz in May, and then unified the 140lb division with a spectacular KO over WBA/IBF champion Julius Indongo in August. He later relinquished the belts to move up to welterweight.

Srisaket scored a controversial majority decision over Roman “Chocolatito” Gonzalez in March to win the WBC 115lb belt, then after an immediate rematch was ordered, Srisaket brutally knocked out Chocolatito in September.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 25 Dec 2017, 18:34
by gilgamesh
I'd say that's a stretch. There's at least 3 fighters that had a better year than Loma.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 25 Dec 2017, 18:49
by Boxing Prospect
The bloody year isn't over!

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 25 Dec 2017, 19:25
by boxing_rocks
I agree with Fightnews.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 25 Dec 2017, 21:06
by jamamb
ppl sleeping on melindo. if he wins thats two champs he beat plus a good recent champ. belts aside all three good fighters. but some obscure tiny guy who doesnt fight in the us is always gonna struggle in these year end awards. he at least would deserve a strong mention.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 25 Dec 2017, 23:39
by Kalan
Lomachenko is so damned great, and willing to fight anybody at his weight, that he deserves FOTY honors.

But he did more last year cuz Rigondeaux did nothing in that fight...

Last year he beat Rocky Martinez to become the fastest 2-Division champion in history - and he beat Nicholas Walters, an undefeated and universally respected Championship caliber fighter who destroyed Nonito Donaire.... Fans looked forward to the Lomachenko-Walters fight for years, and it was a big disappointment.... Lomachenko can only control what he does... He can't control whether his opponent bags the fight to prevent any chance of getting knocked out.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 26 Dec 2017, 00:01
by SenorPipino
VL beats 2 ordinary fighters and a talented but aging ( and vastly undersized) boxer, and it's enough to cop the prestigious FOY award.

Hell, back in 1997, De La Hoya beat FIVE very talented fighters (Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Sweet Pea Whitaker, David Kamau, Macho Camacho and Wilfredo Rivera) and it still wasn't deemed good enough to win FOY.

Holyfield won it with just 2 wins---Mike Tyson in the Bite Fight and the rematch with Moorer. But at least those were victories over ex-heavyweight champs.

Lomachenko's year seems pretty pedestrian in comparison. It pays to have the ESPN hype machine in your corner.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 26 Dec 2017, 06:12
by Tanzio
SenorPipino wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 00:01 VL beats 2 ordinary fighters and a talented but aging ( and vastly undersized) boxer, and it's enough to cop the prestigious FOY award.

Hell, back in 1997, De La Hoya beat FIVE very talented fighters (Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Sweet Pea Whitaker, David Kamau, Macho Camacho and Wilfredo Rivera) and it still wasn't deemed good enough to win FOY.

Holyfield won it with just 2 wins---Mike Tyson in the Bite Fight and the rematch with Moorer. But at least those were victories over ex-heavyweight champs.

Lomachenko's year seems pretty pedestrian in comparison. It pays to have the ESPN hype machine in your corner.
:stop: Nomassiah is not being measured against ODLH or Holyfield.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 26 Dec 2017, 09:29
by Badhusker
I think Lomachenko is a phenomenal boxer. Even he doesn't consider the win over Rigo as anything special, considering the size, age, and fact that Rigo only fought 3 rounds in the last 3 years. It is his to win in anyone's book though next year if he beats Berchelt and Mikey Garcia.

Crawford is in the same boat, being phenomenal but lacks the top pfp guy to have on his resume. I thought he would win it because he was the first guy in 15 yrs to become undisputed champ.

GGG has Canelo and Jacobs, and at his age that is pretty incredible.

Joshua has (what looked before the fight) an inactive, shot 41yr old Wlad as his best win.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 26 Dec 2017, 16:49
by Freedom2013
boxing_rocks wrote: 25 Dec 2017, 19:25 I agree with Fightnews.
:TU: As do I.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 26 Dec 2017, 16:51
by jamamb
lomas worth a mention as a foty contender but personally id go wth some guys before him

not in order

aj
craw
sor
garca
melndo if he wins on the 31st

i have loma 6th here. 5th should melndo not win. if melindo wins fairly hell be my choice

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 15:11
by Freedom2013
Roberto Duran, when he was the same age as Rigo at 37, moved up to middleweight and won a world title.

Duran's early fights were at 122.

Yet people say Rigo's moving up from junior featherweight to super featherweight was a big deal. But Loma is a small guy too. Do people realize Rigo actually had a reach advantage over Loma?
gilgamesh wrote: 25 Dec 2017, 18:34 I'd say that's a stretch. There's at least 3 fighters that had a better year than Loma.
Who had a more impressive year than Loma?

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 15:38
by gilgamesh
Freedom2013 wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 15:11 Roberto Duran, when he was the same age as Rigo at 37, moved up to middleweight and won a world title.

Duran's early fights were at 122.

Yet people say Rigo's moving up from junior featherweight to super featherweight was a big deal. But Loma is a small guy too. Do people realize Rigo actually had a reach advantage over Loma?
gilgamesh wrote: 25 Dec 2017, 18:34 I'd say that's a stretch. There's at least 3 fighters that had a better year than Loma.
Who had a more impressive year than Loma?
Srisaket Sor Rungvisai and Anthony Joshua. Milan Melindo as well if he wins on the 31st.

Joshua and Loma you could debate are about even or perhaps Loma is slightly ahead, but I don't think either of them beats Sor.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 16:01
by Badhusker
Freedom2013 wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 15:11 Roberto Duran, when he was the same age as Rigo at 37, moved up to middleweight and won a world title.

Duran's early fights were at 122.

Yet people say Rigo's moving up from junior featherweight to super featherweight was a big deal. But Loma is a small guy too. Do people realize Rigo actually had a reach advantage over Loma?

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 16:04
by Badhusker
Freedom2013 wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 15:11 Roberto Duran, when he was the same age as Rigo at 37, moved up to middleweight and won a world title.

Duran's early fights were at 122.

Yet people say Rigo's moving up from junior featherweight to super featherweight was a big deal. But Loma is a small guy too. Do people realize Rigo actually had a reach advantage over Loma?
gilgamesh wrote: 25 Dec 2017, 18:34 I'd say that's a stretch. There's at least 3 fighters that had a better year than Loma.
Who had a more impressive year than Loma?
@ Freedom Will you be criticizing Loma for not achieving what Duran has done too? Loma started at a higher weight, has the same height and reach as Duran. He should have no trouble winning a middleweight title at age 37 if he is as good as you think he is. He should also be able to get over 100 wins.

I don't think Loma will achieve half of what Duran has.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 16:34
by SenorPipino
I see that three outlets have named their Fighter of the Year, and all 3 have selected a different fighter.

We have Fightnews going with Lomachenko, Boxingnews awarding it to Golovkin, and now ESPN has honored Crawford.

This should bring tears of joy to Crawford, who was whining a few weeks ago that he deserves the FOY award.

Whatever.

It just underscores my argument that no one boxer had a particularly noteworthy 2017. Several had some nice accomplishments, but nothing really stands out.

I'll stick with the Thai, Sor Rungvisai, as FOY.

He twice beat a guy who was at the top of many P4P lists. And he did it the second time in devastating fashion.

Probably KO of the Year fashion.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 27 Dec 2017, 22:26
by Freedom2013
gilgamesh wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 15:38
Freedom2013 wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 15:11 Roberto Duran, when he was the same age as Rigo at 37, moved up to middleweight and won a world title.

Duran's early fights were at 122.

Yet people say Rigo's moving up from junior featherweight to super featherweight was a big deal. But Loma is a small guy too. Do people realize Rigo actually had a reach advantage over Loma?
gilgamesh wrote: 25 Dec 2017, 18:34 I'd say that's a stretch. There's at least 3 fighters that had a better year than Loma.
Who had a more impressive year than Loma?
Srisaket Sor Rungvisai and Anthony Joshua. Milan Melindo as well if he wins on the 31st.

Joshua and Loma you could debate are about even or perhaps Loma is slightly ahead, but I don't think either of them beats Sor.
Joshua beat an inactive age 41 formerly great but faded boxer who was coming off a loss. Not a bad win, but not as good as Loma's win over Rigo if you look at it objectively. Loma dominated, while Joshua was nearly stopped in a back-and-forth slugfest.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 00:32
by Freedom2013
Badhusker wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 16:04@ Freedom Will you be criticizing Loma for not achieving what Duran has done too? Loma started at a higher weight, has the same height and reach as Duran. He should have no trouble winning a middleweight title at age 37 if he is as good as you think he is. He should also be able to get over 100 wins.

I don't think Loma will achieve half of what Duran has.
In some ways, he has already achieved more. He was the outstanding boxer in the 2008 Olympics and won two gold medals. He probably has the best amateur record of all time. He's won world titles in two weight divisions with fewer pro fights than anyone in history.

He started in the pros much later than Duran, and Arum was only getting him two fights a year for several years, so he will never reach 100 pro wins. But neither did Mayweather and many others.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 01:42
by Tanzio
Freedom2013 wrote: 28 Dec 2017, 00:32
Badhusker wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 16:04@ Freedom Will you be criticizing Loma for not achieving what Duran has done too? Loma started at a higher weight, has the same height and reach as Duran. He should have no trouble winning a middleweight title at age 37 if he is as good as you think he is. He should also be able to get over 100 wins.

I don't think Loma will achieve half of what Duran has.
In some ways, he has already achieved more. He was the outstanding boxer in the 2008 Olympics and won two gold medals. He probably has the best amateur record of all time. He's won world titles in two weight divisions with fewer pro fights than anyone in history.

He started in the pros much later than Duran, and Arum was only getting him two fights a year for several years, so he will never reach 100 pro wins. But neither did Mayweather and many others.
It is not easy to demonstrate how to make a disingenuous argument in two short paragraphs, but you accomplished it. :clap:

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 03:40
by Freedom2013
Tanzio wrote: 28 Dec 2017, 01:42It is not easy to demonstrate how to make a disingenuous argument in two short paragraphs, but you accomplished it. :clap:
Nothing disingenuous in my post. You just don't like Lomachenko for some reason.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 08:50
by Tanzio
Freedom2013 wrote: 28 Dec 2017, 03:40
Tanzio wrote: 28 Dec 2017, 01:42It is not easy to demonstrate how to make a disingenuous argument in two short paragraphs, but you accomplished it. :clap:
Nothing disingenuous in my post. You just don't like Lomachenko for some reason.
I have no problem with Nomassiah. :shame: What I have a problem with are confused alt reich animal rights activists using a boxer”s (admittedly) tremendous amateur record as a proof of greatness and an excuse for a weakness in his record, in almost the same breath. :clap:

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 12:04
by gilgamesh
Where is weakness in his record?

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 12:05
by gilgamesh
Freedom2013 wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 22:26
gilgamesh wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 15:38
Freedom2013 wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 15:11 Roberto Duran, when he was the same age as Rigo at 37, moved up to middleweight and won a world title.

Duran's early fights were at 122.

Yet people say Rigo's moving up from junior featherweight to super featherweight was a big deal. But Loma is a small guy too. Do people realize Rigo actually had a reach advantage over Loma?

Who had a more impressive year than Loma?
Srisaket Sor Rungvisai and Anthony Joshua. Milan Melindo as well if he wins on the 31st.

Joshua and Loma you could debate are about even or perhaps Loma is slightly ahead, but I don't think either of them beats Sor.
Joshua beat an inactive age 41 formerly great but faded boxer who was coming off a loss. Not a bad win, but not as good as Loma's win over Rigo if you look at it objectively. Loma dominated, while Joshua was nearly stopped in a back-and-forth slugfest.
For the record I'd pick Srisaket Sor Rungvisai over everybody right now. He was the underdog in both fights with Chocolatito, and absolutely wrecked him the 2nd time.

1st one was questionable, but was an amazing Fight of the Year contender kinda fight, 2nd one was emphatic.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 13:19
by Tanzio
gilgamesh wrote: 28 Dec 2017, 12:04 Where is weakness in his record?
:stop: I am not crtiquing Nomassiah. I am laughing at FreeTheGroundhogs2013’s argument for Nomassiah’s record over Duran’s.

Re: Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 13:59
by gilgamesh
Tanzio wrote: 28 Dec 2017, 13:19
gilgamesh wrote: 28 Dec 2017, 12:04 Where is weakness in his record?
:stop: I am not crtiquing Nomassiah. I am laughing at FreeTheGroundhogs2013’s argument for Nomassiah’s record over Duran’s.
Oh yeah. That's definitely way ridiculous :lol: