Who would win in their heavyweight match up between Jimmy Young and Scott LeDoux? Young would use his quickness in his speedy jabs and counters to outbox LeDoux to take a decision in 10 rounds. What is your opinion?
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 26 Dec 2017, 03:41
by Kalan
If it's Young of the Foreman fight versus any LeDoux it's Young in a walk... 99% of folks would agree.
Next matchup: Jarrell Miller vs Brian London?????
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 29 Dec 2017, 23:45
by SenorPipino
Why in the world did you pick Ledoux as a matchup for Young?
LeDoux was just a rugged journeyman type who received some exposure because he was A) quotable, B) entertaining and C) a white heavyweight.
At his peak, Young was a top 3 heavy.
He shuts out Ledoux over 10 repetitive rounds.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 30 Dec 2017, 05:26
by scorpio83
SenorPipino wrote: ↑29 Dec 2017, 23:45
Why in the world did you pick Ledoux as a matchup for Young?
LeDoux was just a rugged journeyman type who received some exposure because he was A) quotable, B) entertaining and C) a white heavyweight.
At his peak, Young was a top 3 heavy.
He shuts out Ledoux over 10 repetitive rounds.
I picked LeDoux as a match up for Young because he fought in the same era as Young was, but never fought each other. Yes, Young would likely shut out LeDoux over 10 rounds.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 30 Dec 2017, 10:43
by Flump
Kalan wrote: ↑26 Dec 2017, 03:41
If it's Young of the Foreman fight versus any LeDoux it's Young in a walk... 99% of folks would agree.
Next matchup: Jarrell Miller vs Brian London?????
I'll tell you something Kalan, an angry Brian London has a better chance against Miller than LeDoux has against peak Young.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 30 Dec 2017, 12:37
by SenorPipino
Now Kalan will be here opining for an hour about how London would have absolutely no chance to win.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 30 Dec 2017, 17:46
by Flump
SenorPipino wrote: ↑30 Dec 2017, 12:37
Now Kalan will be here opining for an hour about how London would have absolutely no chance to win.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 30 Dec 2017, 18:17
by Tony1244
Their fight was scheduled and LeDoux pulled out with an injury. Young won a split decision against replacement Jeff Simms in West Palm.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 30 Dec 2017, 19:34
by sweetsci
Tony1244 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2017, 18:17
Their fight was scheduled and LeDoux pulled out with an injury. Young won a split decision against replacement Jeff Simms in West Palm.
Interesting. LeDoux fought an unheralded opponent 20 days later in Minnesota. At that stage both Young and LeDoux were on the way down. I'd still have to pick Young if they'd met in 1981. (edit: "Young" in the last sentence auto-corrected to "you". Sheesh.)
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 31 Dec 2017, 00:25
by SenorPipino
Tony1244 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2017, 18:17
Their fight was scheduled and LeDoux pulled out with an injury. Young won a split decision against replacement Jeff Simms in West Palm.
Sims was a terrific puncher. He reportedly fractured Trevor Berbick's shoulder with a single punch.
As a sparring partner for Ali in 1980 when Ali was preparing for an aborted fight with John Tate, Sims split Ali's lip.
That was the reason Ali grew a moustache for several months. To hide the 10 stitch gash.
The Sims/Young fight was controversial with many feeling that Sims clearly outworked Young, who by then was a faded fighter.
Sims had a reputation as an angry, troubled guy, in and out of jail repeatedly.
His temper eventually proved very costly as he was shot to death during a street argument in MIami.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 31 Dec 2017, 09:39
by sweetsci
Wow. Didn't know about Berbick's injury, but Sims inflicted nearly the same injury on Tyrell Biggs, breaking his collarbone in their fight. Quite a powerful guy.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 31 Dec 2017, 10:55
by Tony1244
sweetsci wrote: ↑31 Dec 2017, 09:39
Wow. Didn't know about Berbick's injury, but Sims inflicted nearly the same injury on Tyrell Biggs, breaking his collarbone in their fight. Quite a powerful guy.
Maybe he was thinking of Tyrell Biggs. I saw the Young-Simms fight and I thought Jimmy pulled it out. My buddy and I had first row seats. I went over and literally looked over a judge's shoulder to see he had given it to Young and tapped him on the back; true story.
Simms may have been killed in Belle Glade, where he was from, but I'm not sure about that.
sweetsci wrote: ↑31 Dec 2017, 09:39
Wow. Didn't know about Berbick's injury, but Sims inflicted nearly the same injury on Tyrell Biggs, breaking his collarbone in their fight. Quite a powerful guy.
Maybe he was thinking of Tyrell Biggs. I saw the Young-Simms fight and I thought Jimmy pulled it out. My buddy and I had first row seats. I went over and literally looked over a judge's shoulder to see he had given it to Young and tapped him on the back; true story.
Simms may have been killed in Belle Glade, where he was from, but I'm not sure about that.
You are correct.
It was Mr. Biggs who suffered a broken collarbone against Sims. Despite the painful injury, Olympian Biggs jabbed his way to a unanimous decision.
Sims did fight Berbick a few years after the Biggs bout and was stopped in 6.
Sims had a showdown with another murderous puncher, Ernie Shavers, in a fight I would have loved to witness.
Sims dropped Shavers in the 1st round and nearly had him out.
From then on the 2 took turns repeatedly rocking each other until a punched out Sims succumbed in the 5th.
Sims was shot to death in Miami. He was born in Belle Glade.
During his life, Sims was shot on 3 separate occasions.
That was the reason his good friend Renaldo Snipes refused to walk with him in public.
He wisely observed that Sims had a penchant for "attracting lead."
sweetsci wrote: ↑31 Dec 2017, 09:39
Wow. Didn't know about Berbick's injury, but Sims inflicted nearly the same injury on Tyrell Biggs, breaking his collarbone in their fight. Quite a powerful guy.
Maybe he was thinking of Tyrell Biggs. I saw the Young-Simms fight and I thought Jimmy pulled it out. My buddy and I had first row seats. I went over and literally looked over a judge's shoulder to see he had given it to Young and tapped him on the back; true story.
Simms may have been killed in Belle Glade, where he was from, but I'm not sure about that.
You are correct.
It was Mr. Biggs who suffered a broken collarbone against Sims. Despite the painful injury, Olympian Biggs jabbed his way to a unanimous decision.
Sims did fight Berbick a few years after the Biggs bout and was stopped in 6.
Sims had a showdown with another murderous puncher, Ernie Shavers, in a fight I would have loved to witness.
Sims dropped Shavers in the 1st round and nearly had him out.
From then on the 2 took turns repeatedly rocking each other until a punched out Sims succumbed in the 5th.
Sims was shot to death in Miami. He was born in Belle Glade.
During his life, Sims was shot on 3 separate occasions.
That was the reason his good friend Renaldo Snipes refused to walk with him in public.
He wisely observed that Sims had a penchant for "attracting lead."
I've seen Sims fight live 3 times maybe 4. Saw his first loss to a Larry Alexander. When he was knocking everyone out and cut Ali's lip we were thinking the sky is the limit. Of course there was no youtube then to study a fighter's flaws.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 31 Dec 2017, 16:48
by SenorPipino
I can't be certain, but outside of technical flaws, I would think that Sims' reckless lifestyle contributed to a lack of dedication.
He also had a reputation for being somewhat chinny.
Having seen him in person on several occasions, would you rate Sims as a true world class puncher?
Twenty of his 22 victories were by KO, but Sims always fell short when he stepped up in class.
Tony1244 wrote: ↑30 Dec 2017, 18:17
Their fight was scheduled and LeDoux pulled out with an injury. Young won a split decision against replacement Jeff Simms in West Palm.
Interesting. LeDoux fought an unheralded opponent 20 days later in Minnesota. At that stage both Young and LeDoux were on the way down. I'd still have to pick Young if they'd met in 1981. (edit: "Young" in the last sentence auto-corrected to "you". Sheesh.)
It was true that had they met Young would decision LeDoux in 10 rounds in 1981, but I wonder would the fight be closer or the same result had they fought a few years earlier?
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 01 Jan 2018, 10:49
by Tony1244
SenorPipino wrote: ↑31 Dec 2017, 16:48
I can't be certain, but outside of technical flaws, I would think that Sims' reckless lifestyle contributed to a lack of dedication.
He also had a reputation for being somewhat chinny.
Having seen him in person on several occasions, would you rate Sims as a true world class puncher?
Twenty of his 22 victories were by KO, but Sims always fell short when he stepped up in class.
No breakthrough KOs over big names.
You are right about his lifestyle. I doubt he trained very hard for very long. He took up boxing late. What he had was natural punching power and some athletic ability. A poor man's Ron Lyle.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 20 Jan 2019, 11:04
by Nile4000
Young would decision LeDoux by a 8-2'decision.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 20 Jan 2019, 13:04
by DrDuke
LeDoux was tough, but Young was much more special. Pretty obvious choice here.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 20 Jan 2019, 13:11
by Tony1244
DrDuke wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 13:04
LeDoux was tough, but Young was much more special. Pretty obvious choice here.
At their best, I agree choice is obvious, but Young wasn't at his best anymore in 1981. Barely good enough for a very crude Simms.
DrDuke wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 13:04
LeDoux was tough, but Young was much more special. Pretty obvious choice here.
At their best, I agree choice is obvious, but Young wasn't at his best anymore in 1981. Barely good enough for a very crude Simms.
Yeah, LeDoux could handle not so young Young.
It probably would have been very close it happened in 1981. Cosell was right about at least one thing; Jimmy Young fights are hard to score.
Also Young's prime was very short. About 1974-77. To make things even more complicated, even in his prime he had great performances against great fighters like Ali and Foreman and lousy performances against guys like Joe King Roman.
sweetsci wrote: ↑31 Dec 2017, 09:39
Wow. Didn't know about Berbick's injury, but Sims inflicted nearly the same injury on Tyrell Biggs, breaking his collarbone in their fight. Quite a powerful guy.
Maybe he was thinking of Tyrell Biggs. I saw the Young-Simms fight and I thought Jimmy pulled it out. My buddy and I had first row seats. I went over and literally looked over a judge's shoulder to see he had given it to Young and tapped him on the back; true story.
Simms may have been killed in Belle Glade, where he was from, but I'm not sure about that.
You are correct.
It was Mr. Biggs who suffered a broken collarbone against Sims. Despite the painful injury, Olympian Biggs jabbed his way to a unanimous decision.
Sims did fight Berbick a few years after the Biggs bout and was stopped in 6.
Sims had a showdown with another murderous puncher, Ernie Shavers, in a fight I would have loved to witness.
Sims dropped Shavers in the 1st round and nearly had him out.
From then on the 2 took turns repeatedly rocking each other until a punched out Sims succumbed in the 5th.
Sims was shot to death in Miami. He was born in Belle Glade.
During his life, Sims was shot on 3 separate occasions.
That was the reason his good friend Renaldo Snipes refused to walk with him in public.
He wisely observed that Sims had a penchant for "attracting lead."
Did you mean that you would have loved to have witnessed it live in person or did you want to see the fight period? Because
Shavers-Sims in available on Youtube.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 21 Jan 2019, 14:20
by Tony1244
SenorPipino wrote: ↑31 Dec 2017, 16:48
I can't be certain, but outside of technical flaws, I would think that Sims' reckless lifestyle contributed to a lack of dedication.
He also had a reputation for being somewhat chinny.
Having seen him in person on several occasions, would you rate Sims as a true world class puncher?
Twenty of his 22 victories were by KO, but Sims always fell short when he stepped up in class.
No breakthrough KOs over big names.
I saw Sims fight against Tom Prater, Larry Alexander, and Jimmy Young. It's a tough question to answer because it was a long time ago. I wouldn't say his punching power was on the level of Foreman or Shavers, but he had a good punch.
Re: Jimmy Young vs Scott LeDoux
Posted: 22 Jan 2019, 21:53
by tiny_acres
Scott LeDoux was a piece of crap bully mentality.
He tried I pick a fight with me in Minneapolis while at a wrestling card back stage.
He threw a chair at me and I threw it back
