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Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 09:27**

After Wilder knock his ass out. I don't wanna hear any excuses that Ortiz was a "bum".

I rate him as number 3. Probably the most dangerous opponent for current HW champions.

Decent power , southpaw , long reach , great skills and rich experience from amateurs.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 10:09**

I've got him at number 4 in my rankings, ahead of Wilder.
He has a very good chance of beating Wilder imo...

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 10:27**

He looked like dog shit against Malik Scott and David Allen, and both those fights were over a year ago now... Ortiz is probably better than Stiverne, but only marginally.

Currently, Joshua, Povetkin and Wilder are clearly better fighters than Ortiz is now. I'd make the current version of Ortiz 50/50 (at best) with Parker, Pulev, Whyte, Takam, Miller, Ruiz and Hughie Fury, as well as a few others. 3 or 4 of those names probably beat him.

Credit to Wilder for taking a fight with someone a lot of people see as dangerous. I just don't see it that way. Heavyweight is ridiculously shallow. A high ranking for Ortiz at this stage, is just a reflection of that. It's so bad, I'd pick any one of the semi finalists in the cruiserweight super series to move up and spank any heavyweight not named Joshua, Wilder or maybe Povetkin.

I expect Wilder to beat Ortiz easily.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 11:31**

And don't forget. Ortiz is old. Real old. Maybe 50. Possibly 60.

He's not legit. A Wilder victory will mean nothing.

When is that American fraud going to climb into the ring and take on a real threat? An outstanding heavyweight.

Someone like Carlos Takam.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 11:31**

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 10:27 He looked like dog poo against Malik Scott and David Allen, and both those fights were over a year ago now... Ortiz is probably better than Stiverne, but only marginally.

Currently, Joshua, Povetkin and Wilder are clearly better fighters than Ortiz is now. I'd make the current version of Ortiz 50/50 (at best) with Parker, Pulev, Whyte, Takam, Miller, Ruiz and Hughie Fury, as well as a few others. 3 or 4 of those names probably beat him.

Credit to Wilder for taking a fight with someone a lot of people see as dangerous. I just don't see it that way. Heavyweight is ridiculously shallow. A high ranking for Ortiz at this stage, is just a reflection of that. It's so bad, I'd pick any one of the semi finalists in the cruiserweight super series to move up and spank any heavyweight not named Joshua, Wilder or maybe Povetkin.

I expect Wilder to beat Ortiz easily.

Povetkin did not look good at all against euro-bums level as well... Not only Ortiz

I wont mention even Parker

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 11:43**

Recently I had him #2 but he's clearly past prime and I think WIlder will dominate him and it may be the last time we see him.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 11:51**

IronFrost wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 11:31
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 10:27 He looked like dog poo against Malik Scott and David Allen, and both those fights were over a year ago now... Ortiz is probably better than Stiverne, but only marginally.

Currently, Joshua, Povetkin and Wilder are clearly better fighters than Ortiz is now. I'd make the current version of Ortiz 50/50 (at best) with Parker, Pulev, Whyte, Takam, Miller, Ruiz and Hughie Fury, as well as a few others. 3 or 4 of those names probably beat him.

Credit to Wilder for taking a fight with someone a lot of people see as dangerous. I just don't see it that way. Heavyweight is ridiculously shallow. A high ranking for Ortiz at this stage, is just a reflection of that. It's so bad, I'd pick any one of the semi finalists in the cruiserweight super series to move up and spank any heavyweight not named Joshua, Wilder or maybe Povetkin.

I expect Wilder to beat Ortiz easily.

Povetkin did not look good at all against euro-bums level as well... Not only Ortiz I wont mention even Parker

Povetkin is a tricky one. He has looked very good in certain fights, but isn't consistent, and we don't really know if the better performances are 'chemically enhanced' or not. That's why he's a maybe.

It really is a terrible division. I'm not exaggerating when I say Usyk, Briedis, Gassiev or Dorticos could move up tomorrow and have an easy night's work against almost any heavyweight.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 11:31 And don't forget. Ortiz is old. Real old. Maybe 50. Possibly 60.

He's not legit. A Wilder victory will mean nothing.

When is that American fraud going to climb into the ring and take on a real threat? An outstanding heavyweight.

Someone like Carlos Takam.

Aside from an old Wlad, Joshua hasn't fought a threat either. If you were assuming I'd slate Wilder while heaping praise on AJ, I wont.

It's easy to criticise. The problem is, unless they fight each other, who IS a threat? Ortiz is no better than Takam. Neither is Parker (as proven when the two fought). Hopefully a prospect or two might turn out decent?

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 12:15**

IronFrost wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 09:27 After Wilder knock his ass out. I don't wanna hear any excuses that Ortiz was a "bum".

I rate him as number 3. Probably the most dangerous opponent for current HW champions.

Decent power , southpaw , long reach , great skills and rich experience from amateurs.

No. . . .according to expert boxing forum poster Wilder only fights bums. . . . . by that gauge then that makes Ortiz a bum. . . . simple.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 13:20**

SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 11:31 And don't forget. Ortiz is old. Real old. Maybe 50. Possibly 60.

He's not legit. A Wilder victory will mean nothing.

When is that American fraud going to climb into the ring and take on a real threat? An outstanding heavyweight.

Someone like Carlos Takam.

That was pathetic you dumbass. Carlos Takam already ducked Ortiz hahaha and Ortiz would KO Takam

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 15:21**

To be honest WIlder cant beat anyone other than Joshua and get respect if he fought Povetkin he would view like Ortiz is past it. Miller, Parker and whoever is not good enough. Tyson was coming off layoff he won't get credit for him.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 15:54**

IronFrost wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 13:20
SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 11:31 And don't forget. Ortiz is old. Real old. Maybe 50. Possibly 60.

He's not legit. A Wilder victory will mean nothing.

When is that American fraud going to climb into the ring and take on a real threat? An outstanding heavyweight.

Someone like Carlos Takam.

That was pathetic you dumbass. Carlos Takam already ducked Ortiz hahaha and Ortiz would KO Takam

I think you may have somehow missed the sarcasm in my remark, IF.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 16:01**

world ranked wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 15:21 To be honest WIlder cant beat anyone other than Joshua and get respect if he fought Povetkin he would view like Ortiz is past it. Miller, Parker and whoever is not good enough. Tyson was coming off layoff he won't get credit for him.

Even if he beats Joshua, he won't be credited.

Joshua will simply be viewed as a guy who fought a string of ordinary fighters, except for Klitschko.

And Klitschko was over 40 and coming off a very lethargic loss to Fury about 1 1/2 years earlier.

Revisionist history would suddenly be written regarding the talents of Joshua.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 16:10**

I rate him number 3 as well, so even I have to fully admit Wilder earned his rank if he beats Ortiz without obvious cheating.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 17:04**

Hard to tell where he's at. That last bum that he fought from West Virginia shouldn't really qualify as an opponent.
That was a disgraceful fight

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 17:22**

Fury (C)

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3. Parker

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 17:24**

world ranked wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 15:21 To be honest WIlder cant beat anyone other than Joshua and get respect if he fought Povetkin he would view like Ortiz is past it. Miller, Parker and whoever is not good enough. Tyson was coming off layoff he won't get credit for him.

I'd love to give Wilder respect, but respect is earned.
Pulev, Povitkin, Parker, Ortiz, heck even Miller, Brazeale or Takem would garner some respect from me.
I have him as my #4 ranked HW for now, and given his opposition, I think that is more than fair for now.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 17:25**

jewboypgh wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 17:04 Hard to tell where he's at. That last bum that he fought from West Virginia shouldn't really qualify as an opponent.
That was a disgraceful fight

It was simply meant to be a get-the-rust off, showcase fight for Ortiz.

It wasn't designed to be a competitive matchup.

You see that in boxing all the time.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 18:00**

#4 behind aj, wilder, povetkin. hes still powerful and pretty good technically and with counters. but hes one paced and slow, esp with his plodding feet. he also can be too reliant on his good counters and can have issues with creating his own offence on the lead when it would be for the best. although thats more of a problem with negative opponents and i dont think the top guys are negative.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 18:11**

His only really notable wins are Jennings (good performance), Thompson (good performance but TT was shot to shite) and Scott (poor performance) so if we're going purely off resume he's got to be behind Joshua, Wilder and Povetkin. Probably Parker too given that his 3 best wins would be Takam, Ruiz Jr and H. Fury. That puts him 5th at best. Obviously once Tyson Fury is back then he'd go above him too.

There's also an argument for Pulev having a better resume. He has Chisora, a better Thompson and Ustinov. Maybe that one is a stretch, but I think it's close. Solely on resume then I'd have him 5th or 6th, dropping a further place down when Fury is active.

Skill wise he might be top 3, but until he proves it in the ring I'll keep him at #5.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 18:27**

going by just resume, okay, but i rate him above joe p because i thought jie lost against fat andy and arguably hughie too. certainly i think ortiz is more dangerous than joe and also the lighter hitting pulev

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 18:50**

Funny how most people mention how Ortiz "looked" bad but no one mentions that Parker looked like a crap against Cojanu. Probably lost against Andy Ruiz as well.

It's only because Wilder fights Ortiz.

If we could switch cards and Joshua was the one who fights Ortiz - "uuuuu Wilder ducked Ortiz and Joshua will fight this dangerous Luis Ortiz uuuuuu

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 18:55**

jamamb wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 18:27 going by just resume, okay, but i rate him above joe p because i thought jie lost against fat andy and arguably hughie too. certainly i think ortiz is more dangerous than joe and also the lighter hitting pulev

Fair enough. While I think Parker's resume is better I do think Ortiz poses more danger as well.

IronFrost wrote: ↑02 Jan 2018, 18:50 Funny how most people mention how Ortiz "looked" bad but no one mentions that Parker looked like a crap against Cojanu. Probably lost against Andy Ruiz as well.

It's only because Wilder fights Ortiz.

If we could switch cards and Joshua was the one who fights Ortiz - "uuuuu Wilder ducked Ortiz and Joshua will fight this dangerous Luis Ortiz uuuuuu

This must refer at least in part to my post so I'll explain my comments. I didn't mention the performance against Cojanu because I didn't include it as a notable win, by the same token I didn't mention that Ortiz also looked flat against Dave Allen (he did). No bias here.

Personally I had the Ruiz fight 115-113 to Parker.

So no, it's got nothing to do with Wilder fighting Ortiz. I'm glad that fight is finally happening and I actually hope Wilder wins.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 18:57**

Its really hard to say. Being a southpaw makes it more interesting. Right now I would say he is the most dangerous fight Wilder could take aside from AJ. Ortiz may be willing to absorb some punishment to set Wilder up for a big counter. He is a big dude and can crack, so who knows. AJ never seemed keen on fighting Ortiz, so must be a reason.

I don't even count the farce of a boxing match when Ortiz fought Scott. All Scott did was run around scared. I wished they could have DQ'd Scott for that performance. Wilder won't run, so it will be very interesting. Over-all skill wise he may be the best heavy right now, but does he have the stamina needed for 12 rounds?

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 20:28**

Malik Scott skirted around the outside not throwing punches and was able to survive. Wilder can do that and throw bombs. At this stage, without peds, Ortiz is looking very old. Fair enough He has decent boxing skills and power, especially when an opponent is standing in front of him but Father Time looks like his caught up.

Posted: **02 Jan 2018, 23:05**

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