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Evander, had he won some of these?
Posted: 04 Jan 2018, 22:15
by NYDominican
Evander Holyfield had a very distinguished professional boxing career. But, throughout his pro career, he lost to Riddick Bowe (twice), Michael Moorer, Lennox Lewis, John Ruiz, Chris Byrd, James Toney, Larry Donald, Sultan Ibragimov, and Nikolay Valuev.
Had Evander won some these losses, do you think that Holyfield could be rated among the top 5 Heavyweight boxers of all time?
If so, which of Evander's losses do you think knocked Holyfield out of contention among the top 5 heavyweight boxers of all time?
Please explain.
Re: Evander, had he won some of these?
Posted: 05 Jan 2018, 04:50
by Kalan
No he wouldn't any more than Rocky Marciano is ranked that high and he went 49-0... He just didn't fight anybody.
Neither did Bowe except for Holyfield.... He ducked Lewis, Mercer, McCall, Ruddock, Tyson, Tua and every big puncher there was.... He didn't take a shot real well and all those guys would have flattened him.... Holyfield knocked him down, but couldn't knock him out because Evander was really a Cruiserweight...
Holy came in too light for their 1st fight at 205.... In the rematch he built himself up to 217 and beat Bowe.... Then for the rubber match he was having some kind of physical issues like he had with the 1st Moorer fight... The media said it was heart issues... It was a problem Holyfield said was cured by going to a Hindu Mystic.
I'm not sure what it was for Moorer and the Bowe rubber match.... Holyfield was doing something that was messing his body up.... Dr Margaret Goodman told the press it as abuse of HGH...
Re: Evander, had he won some of these?
Posted: 05 Jan 2018, 10:09
by Flump
Kalan wrote: ↑05 Jan 2018, 04:50
No he wouldn't any more than Rocky Marciano is ranked that high and he went 49-0...
He just didn't fight anybody.
Neither did Bowe except for Holyfield.... He ducked Lewis, Mercer, McCall, Ruddock, Tyson, Tua and every big puncher there was.... He didn't take a shot real well and all those guys would have flattened him.... Holyfield knocked him down, but couldn't knock him out because Evander was really a Cruiserweight...
Holy came in too light for their 1st fight at 205.... In the rematch he built himself up to 217 and beat Bowe.... Then for the rubber match he was having some kind of physical issues like he had with the 1st Moorer fight... The media said it was heart issues... It was a problem Holyfield said was cured by going to a Hindu Mystic.
I'm not sure what it was for Moorer and the Bowe rubber match.... Holyfield was doing something that was messing his body up.... Dr Margaret Goodman told the press it as abuse of HGH...
Evander Holyfield "just didn't fight anybody"
Post of the year so far.
Re: Evander, had he won some of these?
Posted: 05 Jan 2018, 10:36
by BitPlayer
He already arguably is top 5.
He was way past it when he lost most of them.
Re: Evander, had he won some of these?
Posted: 05 Jan 2018, 11:51
by Ambling Alp II
Agreed. Really only the losses to Bowe and Moorer that mean anything. He fought a great fight in the first Bowe fight; he just came up a little short. The lost to Moorer was much worse. He looked terrible in most of that fight.
Re: Evander, had he won some of these?
Posted: 09 Jan 2018, 04:24
by Kalan
Flump wrote: ↑05 Jan 2018, 10:09
Kalan wrote: ↑05 Jan 2018, 04:50
No he wouldn't any more than Rocky Marciano is ranked that high and he went 49-0...
He just didn't fight anybody.
Neither did Bowe except for Holyfield.... He ducked Lewis, Mercer, McCall, Ruddock, Tyson, Tua and every big puncher there was.... He didn't take a shot real well and all those guys would have flattened him.... Holyfield knocked him down, but couldn't knock him out because Evander was really a Cruiserweight...
Holy came in too light for their 1st fight at 205.... In the rematch he built himself up to 217 and beat Bowe.... Then for the rubber match he was having some kind of physical issues like he had with the 1st Moorer fight... The media said it was heart issues... It was a problem Holyfield said was cured by going to a Hindu Mystic.
I'm not sure what it was for Moorer and the Bowe rubber match.... Holyfield was doing something that was messing his body up.... Dr Margaret Goodman told the press it as abuse of HGH...
Evander Holyfield "just didn't fight anybody"
Post of the year so far
You're wacked ..... Holyfield fought a lot of good fighters.... Bowe ducked all the big punchers.
Re: Evander, had he won some of these?
Posted: 09 Jan 2018, 05:54
by Ned Merrill
Holyfield is EASILY top-ten all-time, even if one decides not to overlook the linear reality of boxing and chooses to focus on the alphabet and plastic.
Re: Evander, had he won some of these?
Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 13:34
by IKSRTFO
Kalan wrote: ↑05 Jan 2018, 04:50
No he wouldn't any more than Rocky Marciano is ranked that high and he went 49-0... He just didn't fight anybody.
Neither did Bowe except for Holyfield.... He ducked Lewis, Mercer, McCall, Ruddock, Tyson, Tua and every big puncher there was.... He didn't take a shot real well and all those guys would have flattened him.... Holyfield knocked him down, but couldn't knock him out because Evander was really a Cruiserweight...
Holy came in too light for their 1st fight at 205.... In the rematch he built himself up to 217 and beat Bowe.... Then for the rubber match he was having some kind of physical issues like he had with the 1st Moorer fight... The media said it was heart issues... It was a problem Holyfield said was cured by going to a Hindu Mystic.
I'm not sure what it was for Moorer and the Bowe rubber match.... Holyfield was doing something that was messing his body up.... Dr Margaret Goodman told the press it as abuse of HGH...
I feel like my total IQ drooped after reading that. Thanks Brut.
Re: Evander, had he won some of these?
Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 05:41
by DrDuke
Only Bowe, Moorer and Lewis losses can influence Holyfield's position in the lists of the all-time greats. However, in a Moorer fight there were the first signs of decline for Evander. That was past-prime Holyfield already. Yet I'd say, Evander has actually won the Moorer fight. And after Lewis Holyfield was washed-up. Still he was robbed against Valuev.