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"Canelo Alvarez agrees terms for Gennady Golovkin rematch" (Source: Boxing News)

CANELO ALVAREZ has agreed terms for a rematch with Gennady Golovkin and the superfight looks likely for May 5 with New York’s Madison Square Garden and Las Vegas’ T-Mobile Arena – the home of their opener – the frontrunners to host.

WBC, WBA and IBF middleweight king Golovkin is thought to be “hopeful” that the deal for the sequel can be concluded in the coming days. Some of the finer details need to be resolved and, in fights like this, there are likely to be plenty but none are expected to be problematic.

According to a report in the Los Angeles Times, there is no clause in the contract for a third bout.

“It’s going to be another great fight, so it’ll likely be a natural to do another rematch, but it’s not in the agreement,” Golden Boy’s Eric Gomez said.

“We want to concentrate on getting done and then we can talk about a third fight later.

“We’ve exchanged contracts. We’ve gone through three revisions. I’m hoping for the last revision [imminently] and we’ll see.

“All the major points have been worked out. There’s some details that are important, but they’re not the major points.”

Thoughts?

Golovkin would make again some big money. He's old and he needs to retire like Maidana did after he hit the jackpot 2 times. Time for Canelo, BJS, Jermall, Jacobs, Murata and Andrade to mix it up.

Great rematch IMHO.. First fight was so tight.. I did like canelos Boxing on on the back foot showed some very slick and classy moves.. GGG trying to cut the ring down and just being relentless...

First watched it had GGG up 2 rounds however watched again and scored it a draw...

ajwesty13 wrote: ↑12 Jan 2018, 21:16 Great rematch IMHO.. First fight was so tight.. I did like canelos Boxing on on the back foot showed some very slick and classy moves.. GGG trying to cut the ring down and just being relentless...

First watched it had GGG up 2 rounds however watched again and scored it a draw...

I assume you gave Canelo rounds 1-3 and 10-12? I think that's the only way you can have it a draw because GGG clearly won the middle rounds. Personally I thought GGG edged the 1st, Canelo edged the 3rd, while the 10th and 11th were even and could go either way.

We all know what happens if the fight goes the distance,surely GGG knows it too.

jezzamundo wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 02:56

ajwesty13 wrote: ↑12 Jan 2018, 21:16 Great rematch IMHO.. First fight was so tight.. I did like canelos Boxing on on the back foot showed some very slick and classy moves.. GGG trying to cut the ring down and just being relentless...

First watched it had GGG up 2 rounds however watched again and scored it a draw...

I assume you gave Canelo rounds 1-3 and 10-12? I think that's the only way you can have it a draw because GGG clearly won the middle rounds. Personally I thought GGG edged the 1st, Canelo edged the 3rd, while the 10th and 11th were even and could go either way.

It was a very contentious result with people stating it was a travesty but it just reminded me of the de Gale and Groves fight when people thought de Gale won because he was the aggressor while Groves boxed on the back foot... I thought then groves nicked it by delivering the better punches while de Gale threw a torrid of punches but missing the target. So with that in mind I thought a massive majority of the fight ggg was being the aggressor while canelo boxed on the back foot... I thought canelo looked sharp and at times made GGG look clumsy and cumbersome.

I gave canelo the first few rounds and GGG a few in the middle whilst sharing a few at the end. .. The score card for canelo was a bit of shock though 118 to 110 which seemed to have a negative impact with people clinging on to an njustice... I think the majority deemed this a close affair..

Ps I was a fan of GGG pre fight but I also have new like for canelo

The 118-110 wasn't a shock. It was pathetic.

It could have been given either way. GGG was his usual come forward and Canelo Boxed well, landing eye catching combinations. I just felt GGG did miss a lot too and can't see a reason to score for the aggression when missing.

Looking forward to this though.

The mexican style of boxing is the art of controlled aggression. That was GGG. What style did Canelo employ? Mastery of the ring and technical precision? That would make his style Cuban.

My point is that the argument Canelo fans give for beating or tying GGG is the opposite of their argument for beating Lara. The fact that one judge always seems to lean heavily towards Canelo in big fights when he needs it is very evident. Three examples that turn my stomach:

118-110 Canelo over GGG
117-111 Canelo over Lara
114-114 Canelo/Mayweather draw

All 3 are equally pathetic if you saw the fights.

Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 11:23 The mexican style of boxing is the art of controlled aggression. That was GGG. What style did Canelo employ? Mastery of the ring and technical precision? That would make his style Cuban.

My point is that the argument Canelo fans give for beating or tying GGG is the opposite of their argument for beating Lara. The fact that one judge always seems to lean heavily towards Canelo in big fights when he needs it is very evident. Three examples that turn my stomach:

118-110 Canelo over GGG
117-111 Canelo over Lara
114-114 Canelo/Mayweather draw

All 3 are equally pathetic if you saw the fights.

You forgot 118-109 vs Trout.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 11:34

Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 11:23 The mexican style of boxing is the art of controlled aggression. That was GGG. What style did Canelo employ? Mastery of the ring and technical precision? That would make his style Cuban.

My point is that the argument Canelo fans give for beating or tying GGG is the opposite of their argument for beating Lara. The fact that one judge always seems to lean heavily towards Canelo in big fights when he needs it is very evident. Three examples that turn my stomach:

118-110 Canelo over GGG
117-111 Canelo over Lara
114-114 Canelo/Mayweather draw

All 3 are equally pathetic if you saw the fights.

You forgot 118-109 vs Trout.

Yes, thank you. That was horrible. The whole open scoring BS of that fight was very strange, and worked in Canelo's favor.

De la Hoya says this fight isn't even close to being finalized, despite what GBP President Eric Gomez insists.

Oscar says Golovkin is holding up the negotiations although didn't specify exactly what the problem is.

Money is usually the #1 reason though.

But I have little doubt it will eventually be resolved and the fight will be good to go for Cinco de Mayo.

What's Golovkin gonna do? Walk away?

If he wants to earn chump change for the remainder of his career, he can fight others in the lackluster middleweight division.

But if Golovkin is interested in making some real money, then there's only one place to go.

Into the ring with Canelo.

bigjack wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 04:52 We all know what happens if the fight goes the distance,surely GGG knows it too.

And the rematch will go the distance too.

Alvarez has a chin from the ages & I can't see him getting KOd, especially by a now ageing Golovkin.

I remember when a 19-year-old Canelo was rocked pretty good by a left hook in the first round by Miguel Cotto's little brother, Jose.

And Jose was really just a blown up lightweight, fighting at welter for the opportunity at a big payday.

After the fight, everyone claimed that Canelo had a glass chin, and the first guy his size who tagged him would knock him out.

They don't say that anymore.

The first round is always dangerous. Fighters can get caught cold, or don't have their focus yet.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 18:23 I remember when a 19-year-old Canelo was rocked pretty good by a left hook in the first round by Miguel Cotto's little brother, Jose.

And Jose was really just a blown up lightweight, fighting at welter for the opportunity at a big payday.

After the fight, everyone claimed that Canelo had a glass chin, and the first guy his size who tagged him would knock him out.

They don't say that anymore.

The first round is always dangerous. Fighters can get caught cold, or don't have their focus yet.

I even rember when a young canelo found Matthew Hatton a struggle.. However Canelo really impressed me when fighting GGG on the back foot.. Really showed he's matured into a very good all round fighter ..

As much as I dislike assumption and what ifs but i think a canelo now v his MW fight then he would have given MW a lot more trouble than he did...

ajwesty13 wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 18:37

SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 18:23 I remember when a 19-year-old Canelo was rocked pretty good by a left hook in the first round by Miguel Cotto's little brother, Jose.

And Jose was really just a blown up lightweight, fighting at welter for the opportunity at a big payday.

After the fight, everyone claimed that Canelo had a glass chin, and the first guy his size who tagged him would knock him out.

They don't say that anymore.

The first round is always dangerous. Fighters can get caught cold, or don't have their focus yet.

I even rember when a young canelo found Matthew Hatton a struggle.. However Canelo really impressed me when fighting GGG on the back foot.. Really showed he's matured into a very good all round fighter ..

As much as I dislike assumption and what ifs but i think a canelo now v his MW fight then he would have given MW a lot more trouble than he did...

Canelo's only true flaw is that he can be overly economical with his punches.

He's not your typical Mexican brawler who begins winging hooks from the opening bell and doesn't stop until the fight is over, al la Chavez, Barrera or Morales.

He's much more cerebral.

Against Mayweather, that MO isn't usually effective.

You can't wait on Mayweather. You're not going to hit him very often, so you better let the punches fly and hope that a decent number lands.

If Canelo of today fought Mayweather with the same style he employed 4 years ago---and I think he would because that's who he is---then he would again drop a decision.

It's one thing to routinely tag an aggressive Golovkin who sacrifices defense for pressure. It's another thing to successfully outscore a master boxer like Mayweather when you're not throwing a huge number of punches.

GGG smashes him

He had 12 rounds to "smash him" last September and couldn't get the job done.

I don't see the predictable Golovkin improving any come May.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 19:25 He had 12 rounds to "smash him" last September and couldn't get the job done.

I don't see the predictable Golovkin improving any come May.

If Golovkin was so predictable how did he arguably beat Canelo? The real thing is that no one sees Canelo's stamina improving. Golovkin has a better coach and can fight a better fight. He was the ring general throughout the fight. Canelo, on the other hand, can't improve on his performance.

Canelo has been carefully matched. GBP drug their feet for the fights against Trout and Lara. Floyd fight I don't think they expected, but after offering to drop to 150 and Floyd agreed to 152, they took it.

Angulo and Kirkand were both the same - guys that balloned to 190+ that had to lose the weight in 2 months. Both were weakened and besides that had a perfect style for Canelo. Trout before that was another GBP drug their feet to make.

After Kirkland, we have the glass chinned welterweight Khan, the lightly regarded Liam, Smith (instead of Andrade who would have been a challenge). Oh, I forgot the over the hill Cotto, and the severely weight drained JCC Jr. Need I say more? Lara is another they refused to make forever it seemed, and to most boxing experts, Canelo lost.

Canelo is a tremendous talent, but needs to fight guys like Jermall Charlo, Andrade, and guys like that along with GGG. It is obvious that he and GBP avoid slick boxers, but if he wants to be an ATG he needs to continue to step up. He has a great resume over all so far, but has some obvious fights where he has been carefully matched.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 19:25 He had 12 rounds to "smash him" last September and couldn't get the job done.

I don't see the predictable Golovkin improving any come May.

All Golovkin needs to do is to up the pressure a bit.

If the news says Canelo agrees to terms for the GGG rematch, does that mean he agrees to his own terms for the rematch?

SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 18:52

ajwesty13 wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 18:37

SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 18:23 I remember when a 19-year-old Canelo was rocked pretty good by a left hook in the first round by Miguel Cotto's little brother, Jose.

And Jose was really just a blown up lightweight, fighting at welter for the opportunity at a big payday.

After the fight, everyone claimed that Canelo had a glass chin, and the first guy his size who tagged him would knock him out.

They don't say that anymore.

The first round is always dangerous. Fighters can get caught cold, or don't have their focus yet.

I even rember when a young canelo found Matthew Hatton a struggle.. However Canelo really impressed me when fighting GGG on the back foot.. Really showed he's matured into a very good all round fighter ..

As much as I dislike assumption and what ifs but i think a canelo now v his MW fight then he would have given MW a lot more trouble than he did...

Canelo's only true flaw is that he can be overly economical with his punches.

He's not your typical Mexican brawler who begins winging hooks from the opening bell and doesn't stop until the fight is over, al la Chavez, Barrera or Morales.

He's much more cerebral.

Against Mayweather, that MO isn't usually effective.

You can't wait on Mayweather. You're not going to hit him very often, so you better let the punches fly and hope that a decent number lands.

If Canelo of today fought Mayweather with the same style he employed 4 years ago---and I think he would because that's who he is---then he would again drop a decision.

It's one thing to routinely tag an aggressive Golovkin who sacrifices defense for pressure. It's another thing to successfully outscore a master boxer like Mayweather when you're not throwing a huge number of punches.

True and I agree with you.. Canelo has learnt a clever ring craft over the last few years with his roots of the typical Mexican brawler not really that evident.

Yes you're right canelo wouldn't have beatenMW however I would like to think he might have made a better fist of it.. But like I said I'm not keen on what ifs..

I am wondering if GGG is able to change his style to try and eliminate canelo managing to set off combinations and make a more of a convincing case.. But I not sure he can.. So this rematch I'm very much looking forward to..

Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 20:13 If the news says Canelo agrees to terms for the GGG rematch, does that mean he agrees to his own terms for the rematch?

As I understand, he agreed to the third iteration of the contract. Most likely, the first one was his, second one was Golovkin's, and the third one against his. So, it is probably not quite what would satisfy Golovkin which is why he hasn't signed it yet.

Badhusker wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 20:13 If the news says Canelo agrees to terms for the GGG rematch, does that mean he agrees to his own terms for the rematch?

Well Canelo is the A lister. The face of boxing.

Guys like that usually set the terms.

Everyone else just lines up behind him and says "Whatever you want Señor Canelo. I want to be rich just like you."

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 19:39

SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jan 2018, 19:25 He had 12 rounds to "smash him" last September and couldn't get the job done.

I don't see the predictable Golovkin improving any come May.

If Golovkin was so predictable how did he arguably beat Canelo? The real thing is that no one sees Canelo's stamina improving. Golovkin has a better coach and can fight a better fight. He was the ring general throughout the fight. Canelo, on the other hand, can't improve on his performance.

That's funny because just about every critique I've seen about the rematch all agree that Canelo is the more adaptable, multi-dimensional fighter who figures to up his game.

On the other hand, what you saw from Golovkin in September is pretty much what you'll see any time he steps into the ring.

Even Canelo's detractors admitted being impressed with his all-around performance, showcasing defense skills that few suspected he possessed.

As I always say, if you're a big fan of pressure and aggresiveness, then you'll probably always feel that Golovkin wins.

But if you favor what's important in scoring a fight---clean effective punching, whether you're coming forward or fighting off your back foot--then Canelo is the obvious winner.

In my view, it was the Mexican who was the ring general since he repeatedly lured Golovkin inside and then rattled him with solid shots.

Golovkin might have done more work but to what end if he's getting smacked with heavy counters?

Honestly, the draw flattered him.