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Raise your hand if you would favor GGG in a fight with Errol Spence Jr at 160 4 months from now? Raise your hand if you think one of the Charlo's could beat him at either 154 or 160? Raise your hand if you think Thurman, after his ridiculous tap dance ends and he accepts a fight with Jr., can beat Spence? Exactly. No one even budged raising a hand because it's not even close.

Errol is the best fighter in the world at or around the most competitive weight in boxing. No matter which way you go up or down in and around WW, there's not a boxer that can hang with him or dare to say, beat him. The work that he does inside that ring is not exactly flashy but it's brilliant in a dull sort of way. He may not have the highlight film KO that scores views on Youtube. He just establishes an attack from the onset of every fight, downstairs and upstairs, that just systematically debilitates the opposition to the extreme and there's not a person that i can think of that can handle that kind of destruction or offset it with an offense that would rival what this kid does. Thurman stands ZERO shot of competing with Spence and that's why he's intelligently finding ways to avoid the matchup discussions.

I hear all of you in love with Lomachenko's ability and I hear that and see that and the argument is a good one. But i've not seen a fighter like Spence to come around in a long long long time. We all better get used to it because I do believe that we are seeing the best WW to come along since the early 80's and yes, i'm completely familiar with another Jr. that did his thing on PPV all these years without facing a top challenger in his prime. Spence is the real deal and he belongs atop the P4P rankings NOW...not in two years. Now.

Spence has a way to go for 160. His resume is the only thing holding him back from top P4P status, but that will come over time. He should be in everyone's top P4P list at this point however.

Caldo has a new flavor of the week

This is the dumbest f*cking thread.

Spence is the best at 147, but there are very talented fighters like Lomachenko in other weight divisions, so I wouldn't crown him p4p king just yet.

Are you kidding me!? "It's not close" has to be the dumbest thing I've read. Winner of Canelo/GGG and Sor Rungvisai/Estrada would be the two p4p best in the world, AND THAT WOULDN'T BE CLOSE!

Brook and Peterson aren't going to do it. GGG already ruined Brook and Peterson already arguably lost to Avanesyan.

Oh, on top of that, Usyk cleaning out CW would also have a damn good argument to be considered p4p 1-5. Guy has barely lost rounds against formidable CW's.

There's inevitably a “pendulum swinging” effect found in most fight fans and the media where they go from one vine (fighter) to the next based on the sport’s most recent noteworthy performance.

Basically, a lot of people quickly fall victim to a typical “pendulum shift” as soon as someone in the sport does something big, where the momentum seems to bury the reality.

Basically, too many fans and members of the media go overboard with accolades whenever one of the sports' biggest stars compete.

For sure, Errol Spence Jr. is clearly a very special talent and possesses enormous potential, but he shouldn't be proclaimed as the leading pound-for-pounder or a dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famer on the back of scoring only two significant victories throughout the entire course of his career, against opponents he was heavily favoured to defeat.

He's getting there, but he isn't there yet. Let's just calm down a bit and enjoy watching his future unfold.

Wtf is this. Brook was out-boxing Spence for a big part of their fight. Spence is good, but he's not P4P top 5 even. I think Crawford beats him convincingly. Even a healthy Thurman I think has the edge over him.

spences excellent but ths thread shouldnt be made after beatng peterson. peterson couldnt hardly wn a round aganst bradley and was destroyed by lucas and pretty much always loses vs top opponents. he was made for spence to shine.

spences excellent but hasnt qute reached p4p #1 or 'he beats everyone up to mw' status

Tiny_acres and E.O. have it right.

Spence has become the latest flavor of the month based largely on a noteworthy performance.

Not that Spence isn't good. He's very good.

But handily beating a Lamont Peterson--a solid B fighter---doesn't automatically entitle you to entry to the top of the mythical P4P list.

Last month Lomachenko---he of a whopping 11 professional bouts and one defeat--- was the Big Thing. Some opined that he was the best since Robinson. Okay.

But poor Loma has been quickly and cruelly kicked to the curb by the flashy presence of the even more dynamic Spence.

And before Lomachenko's anointment, it was Golovkin who was regarded as a champion among champions.

A power punching middleweight who would have devoured Monzon and Hagler for breakfast.

A perception shattered when he proved disappointingly human in matchups with Brook, Jacobs and Canelo.

Suddenly the adoration quieted.

The Beatles were right. Love has a nasty habit of disappearing overnight.

Let's see how long Spence stays the reigning favorite here.

I have a feeling that the next flavor of the month may surface as soon as the calendar flips a page.

klitoris wrote: ↑22 Jan 2018, 23:10 Wtf is this. Brook was out-boxing Spence for a big part of their fight. Spence is good, but he's not P4P top 5 even. I think Crawford beats him convincingly. Even a healthy Thurman I think has the edge over him.

Brook was dead at the weight. Really weak, he had the beating of Spence that night, just nothing in the tank. Brook is a top class fighter too, though. And this isn't guesswork, I know Kell and know what that weight making did to him.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2018, 02:34

klitoris wrote: ↑22 Jan 2018, 23:10 Wtf is this. Brook was out-boxing Spence for a big part of their fight. Spence is good, but he's not P4P top 5 even. I think Crawford beats him convincingly. Even a healthy Thurman I think has the edge over him.

Brook was dead at the weight. Really weak, he had the beating of Spence that night, just nothing in the tank. Brook is a top class fighter too, though. And this isn't guesswork, I know Kell and know what that weight making did to him.

Wow, lots of strong statements. It's ok, opinions are never wrong. Here is mine; First of all, Brook cut the same amount as Spence, so no excuses there. So far Spence has beaten two guys of note, but by impressive fashion. We need to see him tested against the likes of Crawford and Thurman to see his real talent. I'm as high on the guy as anyone, but he isn't in the hall of fame yet. I feel the same for Loma.

Thurman may give Spence a tough fight. Jermall Charlo may give Canelo and GGG all they want. Jacobs already gave GGG a tough fight. Lots of guys in the running. Andrade may eventually show he belongs.

To me I see Crawford, Loma, Spence, GGG, and possibly Canelo as the top pfp guys, but just my opinion. Spence may beat them all, who knows but until then we can just hope the best fights get made. We'll know more when Crawford fights at 147, but if he does what I think, he will give Spence trouble for sure.

Spence is P4P #9 on my list.

You don't earn P4P #1 based on potential. That potential has to be realized completely before you get that status. Believing a guy to be capable of it all by itself don't get him there, he has to have the wins on his resume.

That being said. I see nothing that's gonna stop Spence's career from rising further upward for the next few years so he'll keep on rising up the P4P list steadily.

Some of you guys get too excited, too fast about good fighters. Give 'em time.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑22 Jan 2018, 19:27 Caldo has a new flavor of the week

LOL. I hate you

I'm sorry but I really have to question all of your boxing IQ's if you don't see the greatness that this kid is showing. I'm a true believer in having the resume to back the tout but there are some boxers that give you a "holy Shiit" moment when watching them fight and this kid's nickname should be changed to Errol "Holy Shiit" Spence Jr. No one will beat this kid.

yet another attention seeking thread from caldo

what will next weeks be?

Spence still has to fight Crawford to determine the best WW. Only then one of them will be in the running for p4p #1.

Other candidates are Loma and whoever will demonstrate dominance at MW (if anybody).

Talent wise, Spence is clearly one of the future attractions in boxing. He has 2 solid wins, yet is a couple top wins away from having a chance of being #1 P4P.

I really enjoy watching Spence. He systematically breaks his opponents down while being defensively responsible most the time.

Right now I don't really know who to put P4P best. But if I was to go be overall achievments, resume, what he has done recently and what they've officially accomplished, I still see Canelo being #1. If Canelo is able to convincingly beat GGG in their rematch, I will say he's the clear #1 P4P.

Lomachenko, Crawford and Spence are in the mix, but I feel they all have to do a bit more even though any of them could fit the bill.

Lol, caldo I dig your enthusiasm but if anyone else was posting in this vein, over a dude whos beaten Kell brook and Peterson, you'd be crowing 'too soon' and 'put the kool aid down' for all you are worth.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2018, 15:59

tiny_acres wrote: ↑22 Jan 2018, 19:27 Caldo has a new flavor of the week

LOL. I hate you

damn it was good for a laugh

tiny_acres wrote: ↑23 Jan 2018, 17:54

caldo2025 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2018, 15:59

tiny_acres wrote: ↑22 Jan 2018, 19:27 Caldo has a new flavor of the week

LOL. I hate you

damn it was good for a laugh

You always love my overthetopedness...

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑23 Jan 2018, 16:14 Spence still has to fight Crawford to determine the best WW. Only then one of them will be in the running for p4p #1.

Other candidates are Loma and whoever will demonstrate dominance at MW (if anybody).

So wait....Spence, who is champion at 147 and has demolished his last i don't even know how many opponents, needs to prove himself against a fighter that hasn't fought at 147 yet? Come on dude. It's Tuesday. Put the pipe down a bit and wait a little more into the week. That's type of smoking is good for a Thursday or Friday man.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑23 Jan 2018, 16:35 Lol, caldo I dig your enthusiasm but if anyone else was posting in this vein, over a dude whos beaten Kell brook and Peterson, you'd be crowing 'too soon' and 'put the kool aid down' for all you are worth.

Now follow me here...Lamont may be an overrated boxer in all honesty and has been known to like himself some PEDS but in a clean fight, he gave Danny Garcia all that he could handle. Danny Garcia in turn gave Keith Thurman all that he could handle. Now i'm not one of those A+B=C so that means C must equal A kinds of guys but did you see the beating that this kid put on Lamont?

Have you ever heard that kind of commentary in the corner before? Barry Hunter asked Lamont why he was selling out in the mid rounds and Lamont responded "I'm losing every round here and I have to do something" I mean, for the first time in his career in which he's fought some nice talent, he wasn't even CLOSE to finding an answer. He lost every single round and his health was CLEARLY in doubt had he continued. I mean, we could be at Lamont's funeral at this minute tossing a flower on the casket.

Lomanchenko's opposition quits from embarassment. Spence Jr's opposition quits to remain eating solid foods. Big difference

caldo2025 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2018, 18:07 Now i'm not one of those A+B=C so that means C must equal A kinds of guys but did you see the beating that this kid put on Lamont?

Sure, it was impressive, but it's not like it's something Matthyse didn't do year ago is it?

tiny_acres wrote: ↑22 Jan 2018, 19:27 Caldo has a new flavor of the week

You're killing me! lol