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My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 13:00
by ValMar
1. Lomachenko
2. Spence
3. Crawford
4. Usyk
5. Joshua
6. Golovkin
7. Alvarez
8. M. Garcia
9. Gassiev
10. Eubank
I am waiting for Tyson Fury, of course.........
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 13:08
by gilgamesh
Here's mine
1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Oleksandr Usyk
7. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Errol Spence Jr.
10. Naoya Inoue
Usyk in action today in just a few short hours
Hard to justify the inclusion of Eubank or Gassiev I'd say. I certainly see the potential in those guys, but they just don't have the high level wins yet to justify a P4P ranking. I don't think I'd have those guys in my Top 15 or 20.
Other than that everything seems reasonable except I wouldn't have Joshua so high, though I don't object to him being included necessarily. Spence I don't think should be among the best of the best just yet though I don't doubt he'll get there, and you're not alone in wanting to rank him far above and beyond what he's actually achieved. It seems the entire Boxing community is in a hurry to anoint this kid the King of the World.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 13:30
by ValMar
gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 13:08
Here's mine
1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Oleksandr Usyk
7. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Errol Spence Jr.
10. Naoya Inoue
Usyk in action today in just a few short hours
Hard to justify the inclusion of Eubank or Gassiev I'd say. I certainly see the potential in those guys, but they just don't have the high level wins yet to justify a P4P ranking. I don't think I'd have those guys in my Top 15 or 20.
Other than that everything seems reasonable except I wouldn't have Joshua so high, though I don't object to him being included necessarily. Spence I don't think should be among the best of the best just yet though I don't doubt he'll get there, and you're not alone in wanting to rank him far above and beyond what he's actually achieved. It seems the entire Boxing community is in a hurry to anoint this kid the King of the World.
I expect you will put both Eubank and Gassiev on the your list very soon, in two months. Just now, Kovalev is very questionable one....And Joshua is the best HW, for me it is quite enough to be on my list.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 13:36
by gilgamesh
Even should Eubank beat Groves that still won't quite be enough to get him a P4P ranking for me, but winning the entire World Boxing Super Series Tournament probably will.
Gassiev vs Dorticos is a great fight, and I think either of those guys has a real shot at winning that fight. I expect a barnburner in that one. Not sure who comes out on top, but I definitely think highly of Gassiev, and I love how deep the Cruiserweight division is right now.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 13:48
by Mexi-Box
gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 13:08
Here's mine
1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Oleksandr Usyk
7. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Errol Spence Jr.
10. Naoya Inoue
Usyk in action today in just a few short hours
Hard to justify the inclusion of Eubank or Gassiev I'd say. I certainly see the potential in those guys, but they just don't have the high level wins yet to justify a P4P ranking. I don't think I'd have those guys in my Top 15 or 20.
Other than that everything seems reasonable except I wouldn't have Joshua so high, though I don't object to him being included necessarily. Spence I don't think should be among the best of the best just yet though I don't doubt he'll get there, and you're not alone in wanting to rank him far above and beyond what he's actually achieved. It seems the entire Boxing community is in a hurry to anoint this kid the King of the World.
Inoue is way too low, Spence Jr. is way too high. Gassiev has a better resume than Spence Jr. right now. Weight-drained post-GGG Brook and Peterson is in no way a p4p-level resume. Spence Jr. isn't even the consensus #1 WW in the world at the moment. That falls on Keith Thurman.
Rungvisai is probably 3-5, and he easily should be above Garcia and Usyk. First four are fine, though. That's pretty much the consensus at the moment. I'd probably have GGG and Canelo, respectively, as #1 and #2 right now, though. Then Lomachenko and Crawford.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 13:53
by gilgamesh
Inoue is still all unrealized potential right now for the most part. He still needs the wins to go along with the ability everyone sees in him to rise any higher.
Gassiev is definitely a highly impressive fighter, and a knockout of Dorticos (particularly if he wins the fight easy) will certainly get him on the list.
Sor Rungvisai I would rank higher, but it's hard to say just how good he is considering that Gonzalez was a bit undersized at 115. If he beats Estrada he definitely rises into the Top 4 or 5 no question.
...Oh and though I rank Thurman ahead of Spence at Welterweight, Spence's performances of late have been more impressive than Thurman's and Thurman has been too inactive. He was on my P4P list in about the same position Spence was a few years ago following his win over Porter, but his inactivity and lackluster showing against Garcia has done nothing to elevate his career. So even though he's still the man to beat at Welterweight, I think Spence's more impressive showings of late gives him a better standing in the P4P sense.
P4P lists are often as much about "What have you done for me lately?" as anything
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 14:12
by Mexi-Box
gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 13:53
Inoue is still all unrealized potential right now for the most part. He still needs the wins to go along with the ability everyone sees in him to rise any higher.
Gassiev is definitely a highly impressive fighter, and a knockout of Dorticos (particularly if he wins the fight easy) will certainly get him on the list.
Sor Rungvisai I would rank higher, but it's hard to say just how good he is considering that Gonzalez was a bit undersized at 115. If he beats Estrada he definitely rises into the Top 4 or 5 no question.
...Oh and though I rank Thurman ahead of Spence at Welterweight, Spence's performances of late have been more impressive than Thurman's and Thurman has been too inactive. He was on my P4P list in about the same position Spence was a few years ago following his win over Porter, but his inactivity and lackluster showing against Garcia has done nothing to elevate his career. So even though he's still the man to beat at Welterweight, I think Spence's more impressive showings of late gives him a better standing in the P4P sense.
P4P lists are often as much about "What have you done for me lately?" as anything
The thing is, I don't think Gassiev belongs on the list. I just think Gassiev, someone that I don't consider p4p, sports a better resume than Spence Jr. Also, I don't at all rate Spence Jr.'s fight against Peterson. I feel Peterson already lost to fringe-contender David Avanesyan. Thurman's lackluster performance against Garcia could be put down as he fought someone on a higher level than Spence Jr.'s recent fights. Really, I don't rate the Brook win all that much considering Brook was already coming off PTSD from GGG and had to drain a lot of weight.
I don't think a win over Dorticos would even get Gassiev on the p4p-list. Gassiev's win over Lebedev is still controversial. If he avenged that win, I would agree with you. Gassiev and Briedis' only chance at p4p-status is if they win the tournament. On the SMW side, I don't think anyone, even the winner, belongs near a p4p-list. Even winning, David Benavidez, Andre Dirrell, Anthony Dirrell, Jose Uzcategui, Jose Ramirez, and Caleb Truax (or possibly Danny Jacobs) are still bouncing around. Winner would in no way say they even came close to cleaning out a divison like the winner of the CW tournament would.
Sor Rungvisai won a razor-close decision and KO'd Chocolatito in the rematch. His level is p4p 1-5. I could understand if it was after the controversial win, but he sealed it in the rematch. Not a single fighter currently has that level of win.
Also, Inoue has a way better resume than Spence Jr. He's more proven than Spence Jr.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 14:16
by gilgamesh
Though I still wouldn't adjust my rankings I appreciate the analytical breakdown there Mexi-Box.
I'm gonna challenge you for the revival of my Beat the Boss challenge on Boxing_Prophet next month
We're both in the All Time Top 10 rankings over there, and the fellow Top 10'ers are who I'm trying to face over there. Next month's schedule is packed with lots of interesting fights. Should be fun
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 15:20
by Deleted_Scenes
=2. Vasyl Lomachenko
=2. Terrence Crawford
=2. Gennady Golovkin
4. Saul Alvarez
5. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
6. Sergey Kovalev
7. Mikey Garcia
8. Naoya Inoue
9. Oleksandr Usyk
10. VACANT
I don't even care if that's a cop out.
Top 3: Loma looks awesome, but despite his dominance and multi-divisional status, he's yet to have that career defining fight against an elite opponent at his own weight (the closest he's come is still GRJ).
Crawford unifies a division, and looks great doing so, but who was he really fighting?
Golovkin may be no.1, if he'd got the decision he deserved against Canelo. Fact is, he didn't, so he's not (quite). The Jacobs fight was also razor thin.
4-9 should really be self explanatory. I'm not dropping Kovalev lower than I have done, until those lower step up and prove themselves - the two Ward fights were competitive enough for him to retain some kind of p4p status. Usyk probably will, Inoue has disappointed me since his efforts against Narvaez and Hernandez, but those are still great wins, Garcia needs more challenges - his new "businessman" attitude will make him money, but won't move him up this list. Time will tell.
No.10: Yeah, I don't have one... Someone needs to show me they really deserve the ranking. Lots of possibilities, but I'm not sure any one stands clear above the others yet.
It's probably Joshua, Estrada, Santa Cruz, Linares or Thurman, based on current body of work, with a number of others, including Spence, Gassiev, and any of the 154 or unmentioned 160 standouts, having the potential to gatecrash the list if they really push themselves this year. If Estrada can outbox SSR, he's a shoe in, but that's hardly a given... If not, we're probably waiting to see how Joshua/Wilder or Spence/Thurman play out if/when they eventually happen.
I can't really pick a 10 or a 1 right now...
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 15:21
by jamamb
crawfords the best
next tier loma, spence, and canelo
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 15:37
by Deleted_Scenes
jamamb wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:21
crawfords the best
next tier loma, spence, and canelo
I feel like Spence gets on people's p4p lists for the same reason Broner did a few years back - pure eye test.
It was always "Wait til he fights the best. He'll prove he's worthy" Then... he didn't.
I feel like Spence will, but he hasn't done it yet.
Brook was damaged goods - and weight drained, at that. And Brook was winning the fight, before he gassed out in the mid rounds. Don't get me wrong, it's a good win, but Brook was no longer "the man".
Peterson seems like he's done with boxing. He always lost his biggest fights even in his prime, but that wasn't prime Peterson. Matthysse battered a far fresher Peterson, far easier than Spence managed.
Algieri?
I get that Spence looks the goods, and I like him myself, but slow down a little. He's not the second coming of Tommy Hearns (yet).
8-10 p4p? I'd disagree slightly, but wouldn't argue it too much.
Anywhere near top 5? No. That's just disrespectful to those who have fought the fights and won in the ring.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 15:39
by gilgamesh
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:37
jamamb wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:21
crawfords the best
next tier loma, spence, and canelo
I feel like Spence gets on people's p4p lists for the same reason Broner did a few years back - pure eye test.
It was always "Wait til he fights the best. He'll prove he's worthy" Then... he didn't.
I feel like Spence will, but he hasn't done it yet.
Brook was damaged goods - and weight drained, at that. And Brook was winning the fight, before he gassed out in the mid rounds. Don't get me wrong, it's a good win, but Brook was no longer "the man".
Peterson seems like he's done with boxing. He always lost his biggest fights even in his prime, but that wasn't prime Peterson. Matthysse battered a far fresher Peterson, far easier than Spence managed.
Algieri?
I get that Spence looks the goods, and I like him myself, but slow down a little. He's not the second coming of Tommy Hearns (yet).
8-10 p4p? I'd disagree slightly, but wouldn't argue it too much.
Anywhere near top 5? No. That's just disrespectful to those who have fought the fights and won in the ring.
Even though I'd be one of the people you disagree with slightly. I like this post, and the logic behind it.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 15:40
by jamamb
yes his record is not top 5 but i honestly feel hes that good. i never thought broner was anything special (lost to pdl imo and varely beat paulie) and tbh i thought there was pretty general outrage when the ring rated him high p4p
btw i recall reading that it was pretty much chuck giampa who strong armed him into the rings p4p rankings. he was the chair of the ratings i think.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 15:44
by Mexi-Box
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:20
=2. Vasyl Lomachenko
=2. Terrence Crawford
=2. Gennady Golovkin
4. Saul Alvarez
5. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
6. Sergey Kovalev
7. Mikey Garcia
8. Naoya Inoue
9. Oleksandr Usyk
10. VACANT
I don't even care if that's a cop out.
Top 3: Loma looks awesome, but despite his dominance and multi-divisional status, he's yet to have that career defining fight against an elite opponent at his own weight (the closest he's come is still GRJ).
Crawford unifies a division, and looks great doing so, but who was he really fighting?
Golovkin may be no.1, if he'd got the decision he deserved against Canelo. Fact is, he didn't, so he's not (quite). The Jacobs fight was also razor thin.
4-9 should really be self explanatory. I'm not dropping Kovalev lower than I have done, until those lower step up and prove themselves - the two Ward fights were competitive enough for him to retain some kind of p4p status. Usyk probably will, Inoue has disappointed me since his efforts against Narvaez and Hernandez, but those are still great wins, Garcia needs more challenges - his new "businessman" attitude will make him money, but won't move him up this list. Time will tell.
No.10: Yeah, I don't have one... Someone needs to show me they really deserve the ranking. Lots of possibilities, but I'm not sure any one stands clear above the others yet.
It's probably Joshua, Estrada, Santa Cruz, Linares or Thurman, based on current body of work, with a number of others, including Spence, Gassiev, and any of the 154 or unmentioned 160 standouts, having the potential to gatecrash the list if they really push themselves this year. If Estrada can outbox SSR, he's a shoe in, but that's hardly a given... If not, we're probably waiting to see how Joshua/Wilder or Spence/Thurman play out if/when they eventually happen.
I can't really pick a 10 or a 1 right now...
This is probably the best p4p list I've seen on this site. Only have a few minor gripes. I think Inoue should be higher than Garcia. Also, I don't think Usyk belongs in the list
yet. I'd have Santa Cruz and Juan Francisco Estrada lining up 9-10.
I'd probably have:
1. Golovkin
2. Canelo
3. Lomachenko
4. Crawford
5. Sor Rungvisai
6. Kovalev
7. Inoue
8. Santa Cruz
9. Estrada
10. Mikey
Usyk bounces up ahead of Inoue if he beat Briedis. Everyone moves down and Mikey is out of the p4p list until someone loses or he gets a win over Prograis or Taylor (I don't think he's moving back down to 135).
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 15:45
by gilgamesh
jamamb wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:40
yes his record is not top 5 but i honestly feel hes that good. i never thought broner was anything special (lost to pdl imo and varely beat paulie) and tbh i thought there was pretty general outrage when the ring rated him high p4p
btw i recall reading that it was pretty much chuck giampa who strong armed him into the rings p4p rankings. he was the chair of the ratings i think.
Yeah. I'm not sure Broner ever cracked my Top 10 or not. I tend to forget my P4P rankings, I just keep 'em updated. I suppose I should keep note of who I had ranked where at the end of each month or at least seasonally, but it probably doesn't matter too much to anybody except me and maybe 2 other Boxing nerds...but hey...that's who it's for
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 15:47
by gilgamesh
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:44
This is probably the best p4p list I've seen on this site. Only have a few minor gripes. I think Inoue should be higher than Garcia. Also, I don't think Usyk belongs in the list
yet. I'd have Santa Cruz and Juan Francisco Estrada lining up 9-10.
I'd probably have:
1. Golovkin
2. Canelo
3. Lomachenko
4. Crawford
5. Sor Rungvisai
6. Kovalev
7. Inoue
8. Santa Cruz
9. Estrada
10. Mikey
Usyk bounces up ahead of Inoue if he beat Briedis. Everyone moves down and Mikey is out of the p4p list until someone loses or he gets a win over Prograis or Taylor (I don't think he's moving back down to 135).
Santa Cruz has never struck me as a P4P talent. He's a grinder. Long and rangy, and pretty tough, but too flawed to be P4P for me from what I've seen.
I suppose that's the fun of these rankings though is the minor disagreements you'd have about who you'd place where and why.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 22:50
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
I haven't watched the Usyk fight yet so I'll hold off on doing an updated list til tomorrow, but I'll probably end up with Spence at #6, narrowly above Thurman and M Garcia (whatever has been said about him on here, I still think Brook is the best win any of the three have achieved, and I just think ES is a better fighter than the other two even if they have done a little more are the top level so far) and far behind Canelo, GGG and Kovalev.
Rungvisai is the vulnerable one at #10 on my last list. I suspect I will have viewed Usyk as having done enough to have passed him when I see the fight.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 23:01
by Mexi-Box
gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:47
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:44
This is probably the best p4p list I've seen on this site. Only have a few minor gripes. I think Inoue should be higher than Garcia. Also, I don't think Usyk belongs in the list
yet. I'd have Santa Cruz and Juan Francisco Estrada lining up 9-10.
I'd probably have:
1. Golovkin
2. Canelo
3. Lomachenko
4. Crawford
5. Sor Rungvisai
6. Kovalev
7. Inoue
8. Santa Cruz
9. Estrada
10. Mikey
Usyk bounces up ahead of Inoue if he beat Briedis. Everyone moves down and Mikey is out of the p4p list until someone loses or he gets a win over Prograis or Taylor (I don't think he's moving back down to 135).
Santa Cruz has never struck me as a P4P talent. He's a grinder. Long and rangy, and pretty tough, but too flawed to be P4P for me from what I've seen.
I suppose that's the fun of these rankings though is the minor disagreements you'd have about who you'd place where and why.
He's beaten the names he's fought very clear. Even in defeat, his loss against Frampton was controversial. His avenging of that loss wasn't, and he defeated Frampton clear.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 23:03
by Stuarty
ValMar wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 13:00
1. Lomachenko
2. Spence
3. Crawford
4. Usyk
5. Joshua
6. Golovkin
7. Alvarez
8. M. Garcia
9. Gassiev
10. Eubank
I am waiting for Tyson Fury, of course.........
Eubank? Ffs mate! I'm a fan of Eubank but he's not a P4P fighter! Like the rest of your list though?
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 27 Jan 2018, 23:36
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 23:01
gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:47
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 15:44
This is probably the best p4p list I've seen on this site. Only have a few minor gripes. I think Inoue should be higher than Garcia. Also, I don't think Usyk belongs in the list
yet. I'd have Santa Cruz and Juan Francisco Estrada lining up 9-10.
I'd probably have:
1. Golovkin
2. Canelo
3. Lomachenko
4. Crawford
5. Sor Rungvisai
6. Kovalev
7. Inoue
8. Santa Cruz
9. Estrada
10. Mikey
Usyk bounces up ahead of Inoue if he beat Briedis. Everyone moves down and Mikey is out of the p4p list until someone loses or he gets a win over Prograis or Taylor (I don't think he's moving back down to 135).
Santa Cruz has never struck me as a P4P talent. He's a grinder. Long and rangy, and pretty tough, but too flawed to be P4P for me from what I've seen.
I suppose that's the fun of these rankings though is the minor disagreements you'd have about who you'd place where and why.
He's beaten the names he's fought very clear. Even in defeat, his loss against Frampton was controversial. His avenging of that loss wasn't, and he defeated Frampton clear.
I had Santa Cruz at 9 or 10 right after the Frampton rematch but other people have surpassed him in the meantime IMO.
Though if top 10s from the last ten years can include the likes of Froch and Rungvisai, and even Darchinyan and Segura, I don't see why Santa Cruz necessarily has to miss out.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 28 Jan 2018, 04:01
by ValMar
Stuarty30 wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 23:03
ValMar wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 13:00
1. Lomachenko
2. Spence
3. Crawford
4. Usyk
5. Joshua
6. Golovkin
7. Alvarez
8. M. Garcia
9. Gassiev
10. Eubank
I am waiting for Tyson Fury, of course.........
Eubank? Ffs mate! I'm a fan of Eubank but he's not a P4P fighter! Like the rest of your list though?
These lists are very changeable, Kovalev and Gonzalez would have been at top 10 not so long ago, but right now I don't thing they belong here (perhaps they will be back soon). CEJ continues to make progress recently, and I think he deserves to be on this list now.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 31 Jan 2018, 01:42
by ajwesty13
gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 13:08
Here's mine
1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Oleksandr Usyk
7. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Errol Spence Jr.
10. Naoya Inoue
Usyk in action today in just a few short hours
Hard to justify the inclusion of Eubank or Gassiev I'd say. I certainly see the potential in those guys, but they just don't have the high level wins yet to justify a P4P ranking. I don't think I'd have those guys in my Top 15 or 20.
Other than that everything seems reasonable except I wouldn't have Joshua so high, though I don't object to him being included necessarily. Spence I don't think should be among the best of the best just yet though I don't doubt he'll get there, and you're not alone in wanting to rank him far above and beyond what he's actually achieved. It seems the entire Boxing community is in a hurry to anoint this kid the King of the World.
No Joshua? Gilgamesh that cuts us British deep.. plus agree about Eubanks he shouldn't be anywhere near a p4p list BJ head and shoulders above him imho..
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 31 Jan 2018, 05:09
by Enlightened-One
You know what, I usually raise my eyebrows whenever I see one or two names listed in other people’s pound-for-pound lists, but perhaps I should refrain from doing this, since I don’t actually maintain a list of my own.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 31 Jan 2018, 13:57
by gilgamesh
ajwesty13 wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 01:42
gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 13:08
Here's mine
1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Gennady Golovkin
4. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Oleksandr Usyk
7. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Errol Spence Jr.
10. Naoya Inoue
Usyk in action today in just a few short hours
Hard to justify the inclusion of Eubank or Gassiev I'd say. I certainly see the potential in those guys, but they just don't have the high level wins yet to justify a P4P ranking. I don't think I'd have those guys in my Top 15 or 20.
Other than that everything seems reasonable except I wouldn't have Joshua so high, though I don't object to him being included necessarily. Spence I don't think should be among the best of the best just yet though I don't doubt he'll get there, and you're not alone in wanting to rank him far above and beyond what he's actually achieved. It seems the entire Boxing community is in a hurry to anoint this kid the King of the World.
No Joshua? Gilgamesh that cuts us British deep.. plus agree about Eubanks he shouldn't be anywhere near a p4p list BJ head and shoulders above him imho..
I have Joshua as the #1 Heavyweight right now, but I don't think he has the resume just yet to be Top 10. A few more title defenses against ranked contenders will get him there though, and obviously a fight between he and Wilder would be a major boost to the winner.
I believe Joshua is a great Heavyweight, but I think he has some significant flaws in his game that can still be taken advantage of. I don't know if any of the current crop of Heavies are capable of it though, and I do expect Joshua will keep getting better with each passing fight for a little while at least. He's still improving.
Re: My p4p list, January 2018
Posted: 31 Jan 2018, 15:18
by Mexi-Box
Unless a lot of fighters lose, I can't see Joshua breaking into the p4p list. The field at HW is just too weak currently. Joshua would need Usyk for the time being. It's not until Hrgovic, Dubois, Kuzmin, Teslenko, etc. start coming up that Joshua could hope to get into the p4p list. The current top 10 is horrifically weak.