BoxRec

Gary Cornish 24 2 0
vs
David Howe 14 6 0

Cornish won by TKO

My grandmother could stop David Howe, at least she could have done while was alive. I'm not so sure about now though.

dubois hype really started taking off when he beat howe in 1 but howe is awful

That loss to AJ must have really affected Gary's mojo. Since that one, he took 3 relatively unchallenging fights, then lost to Sexton. Currently ranked #10 in the UK at HW with the most impressive 25-2
Good on him for getting a payday.

since the aj loss he fought sexton, who is far better than anyone he fought before aj

jamamb wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 10:47 dubois hype really started taking off when he beat howe in 1 but howe is awful

Daniel Dubois is the highest-ranked heavyweight on boxrec age 20 years or younger; and he has also beat other opponents better than Howe. It's not like Daniel Dubois is 32 and his best scalp is Howe. I mean, you'd have quite a point if he was 32 and his best opponent was Ian Lewison; or if he was 28 and his best opponent was Pablo Matias Magrini. Or like if he was 32 and his best opponent was Davit Gogishvili; then that would be pretty terrible, and he'd definitely be going nowhere then.

it wasnt a point, just an observation. the awful , glass chinned howe is when the dubois is a monster hype started taking off

and how many f@cking 20 year old pro hws are there

i know theres 21 year old gorman, and hes actually 50+ spots higher here than dubois. and of course he ko'd dave 'go down' howe in 1 too

jamamb wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 19:50 i know theres 21 year old gorman, and hes actually 50+ spots higher here than dubois. and of course he ko'd dave 'go down' howe in 1 too

Yeah, I've never disputed that Nathan Gorman was a great prospect. Although, exactly one year ago, his best scalps were Igor Mihaljevic and David Howe. Also, 1 year ago, when Gorman was Dubois's age, he was 115 spots lower than he is now. It is one reasonable example showing how much ground a 20-year-old prospect can gain in 1 year. Kind of like how Mark Magsayo was #62 2 years ago (when he was 20) and #19 1 year ago (when he was 21). Boxers improve a lot during those years; unlike in their late 20's and early 30's, when it's super hard to improve even a little bit. I don't see any of this as an effective refutation against Dubois being a great prospect; especially since Dubois is currently ranked higher at age 20 than Gorman was. In fact... Hughie Fury is the only current top 25 heavyweight who had a better professional ranking than #107 (Dubois's boxrec rank) when he was 20.

jeez your anal as hell mate! i wasnt making any argument, just noting that theres pretty much no one else 20 at hw and that gorman, who happes to be 50+ spots higher and also easily kod awful howe, is about the closest in profile

btw pretty much anyone remotely decent who turns pro at 19 at hw is for a few years gonna be near the top of there age group. what matters more is how they fare when the top hws from the amateurs start turning over and developing as pros

simply turning pro young doesnt mean your finished product will be the best and youll probably reach your cieiling for pro development at a younger age than others who will continue to improve

thats why its utterly stupid for you to act like berchelt, with 35 pro fights, 2 world title fights, and 8 years pro, must improve by at least as much from 26 to 29 as loma (1 pro fight and a few months pro upon turning 26) did. simply being younger doesnt so rigidly mean you have more room to improve than older fighters

Lackeos wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 19:31

jamamb wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 10:47 dubois hype really started taking off when he beat howe in 1 but howe is awful

Daniel Dubois is the highest-ranked heavyweight on boxrec age 20 years or younger; and he has also beat other opponents better than Howe. It's not like Daniel Dubois is 32 and his best scalp is Howe. I mean, you'd have quite a point if he was 32 and his best opponent was Ian Lewison; or if he was 28 and his best opponent was Pablo Matias Magrini. Or like if he was 32 and his best opponent was Davit Gogishvili; then that would be pretty terrible, and he'd definitely be going nowhere then.

That's a fair enough pop at Fa and Spong but Lewison is a pretty impressive opponent for a debutant wouldn't you say?

I'd love the job of match-making Dubois, no hurry just develop his skills. Next up would be Kamil Sokolowski who will put up fierce resistance without being likely to derail DDD. Two of my favourite journeyman heavyweights Rodney Hernandez and Avery Gibson would be on the list to while aiming towards a title fight with Sam Sexton. I'd probably bring back former AJ victim Denis Bakhtov too, hell I'd do the job for a ringside seat plus expenses.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 14:08 That loss to AJ must have really affected Gary's mojo. Since that one, he took 3 relatively unchallenging fights, then lost to Sexton. Currently ranked #10 in the UK at HW with the most impressive 25-2
Good on him for getting a payday.

Was his oppisition any better at all before the Joshua fight?

I don't think he lacked confidence in the Sexton fight either, he was just too cumbersome and awkward.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑03 Feb 2018, 06:44

KiwiRider wrote: ↑31 Jan 2018, 14:08 That loss to AJ must have really affected Gary's mojo. Since that one, he took 3 relatively unchallenging fights, then lost to Sexton. Currently ranked #10 in the UK at HW with the most impressive 25-2
Good on him for getting a payday.

Was his oppisition any better at all before the Joshua fight?

I don't think he lacked confidence in the Sexton fight either, he was just too cumbersome and awkward.

OK, I get that. I thought he was hesitant to let his hands go in the Sexton fight, seemed to me he was not as aggressive. I put it down to his KO against AJ.
And your right about his resume leading up to AJ, not that impressive, but at the time, neither was AJ's

um he never fought anyone else with a pulse prior to aj. maybe thats just how he looks vs someone decent? he was fine to let his hands go vs howe.