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Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 07:02
by Gnome
Which boxer's record looks fantastic, but he is in fact a cack boxer?

Whose record makes him look hopeless, but he is in fact a very dangerous opponent?

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 07:10
by dirk2686
He's obviously a very, very long way away from being cack, but Calzaghe's record is often brought up in arguments about his legacy, as though spending ten years and fighting nobody better than Robin Reid is some sort of evidence of greatness.

Samson Dutch Boy Gym was always the shout for a fantastic record on paper who fought pretty much nobody of note. Looking him up I see he had a fight where he was called Samson Toyota Thailand. :lol:

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 07:38
by Gnome
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/573989

This bloke impressed me today. He has a losing record but gave Robin Krasniqi hell. Great fight.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 08:52
by Nightmare Roy
I remember when they brought Micky Ward over to fight Neary, he had about 10 losses

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 10:23
by Taansend
Derrick FIndley - 27-22-1

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/335060

Darnell Boone - 23-24-4

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/255010

Findley is much better than his record suggest but Boone is a proper bloody enigma. Only 12 kayoes in 51 bouts but he's stopped Adonis Stevenson in 2 & had Andre Ward on the floor. Also pushed multiple other top (by todays standards) fighters to the limit in distance fights.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:20
by jameswilson
Sergei Khomitsky.

No Workd bearer but will always give a torrid night.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:24
by gilgamesh
Taansend wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 10:23 Derrick FIndley - 27-22-1

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/335060

Darnell Boone - 23-24-4

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/255010

Findley is much better than his record suggest but Boone is a proper bloody enigma. Only 12 kayoes in 51 bouts but he's stopped Adonis Stevenson in 2 & had Andre Ward on the floor. Also pushed multiple other top (by todays standards) fighters to the limit in distance fights.
Another one that's going now that fits right in with those 2 guys.

Lolenga Mock: 42-14-1 (13 KO's)

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/17134

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:26
by gilgamesh
Gnome wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 07:02 Which boxer's record looks fantastic, but he is in fact a cack boxer?

Whose record makes him look hopeless, but he is in fact a very dangerous opponent?
There's a lot of guys out there with great looking records that have been matched very soft. The thing with those guys is you really don't know just how far below the World Class level they are until someone actually throws them in there with those guys.

A good example was just last night. Habib Ahmed. 22-0-1...great looking record, but he hadn't fought nobody, then he gets a shot at Zurdo Ramirez. As we saw he was hopelessly overmatched, and really had no shot in the fight.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:30
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:32
by Stuarty
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/123487

I was at the Harrison fight and this dude was like 24-0 and he was fuckin dog shít!

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:34
by Stuarty
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/49294

Was at this contest as well. Dude was 21-0 and he was fuckin criminal!

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:37
by gilgamesh
Yep. It's not a fool proof system, but a lot of the time if you have a visiting fighter who has a gawdy record, but it's been built against weak opposition, chances are good he's not gonna be particularly formidable.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:49
by BitPlayer
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/755354

Not seen his other fights, but this guy despite a pretty awful looking record looked alright vs McGoldrick, not a pretty style, but I think he deserved the win.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 11:53
by Boxing Prospect
Lots of Filipino are in the "better than his record" categoy. Guys like Rey Loreto, Ardin Diale, Jonas Sultan, Mark John Yap, Rey Megrino, Richard Pumicpic and Arnel Tinampay.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 12:14
by forestbox
Mark de mori

William Warburton

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 13:43
by sgtcecil
Ryan Clark

Think he only won 5 (without checking).

Who was the argie (I think) light welter (I think) with the ‘impressive’ record with next to no KOs? Cuenca????

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 13:54
by jamamb
robert talarek 20-12-2 but #23 on boxrec. bunch of early losses , including some in uk, but an improved fight on a good win streak and avenging some of his losses. i think i read that before he was working full time and hardly training


http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/647823

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 14:09
by Taansend
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 11:30 Emanuel Augustus

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/6887
Love this bloke. Was thinking of driving up to visit him. See how he's recovering

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 14:12
by Verdi
Arnold Gjergjaj 29-0 before Haye.

I think Kamil Sokolowski and Glen Johnson are both better than their records suggests.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 14:15
by Verdi
Taansend wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 10:23 Derrick FIndley - 27-22-1

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/335060

Darnell Boone - 23-24-4

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/255010

Findley is much better than his record suggest but Boone is a proper bloody enigma. Only 12 kayoes in 51 bouts but he's stopped Adonis Stevenson in 2 & had Andre Ward on the floor. Also pushed multiple other top (by todays standards) fighters to the limit in distance fights.
Good call for Boone

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 14:26
by asdfjkl
Tyrone Spong is actually a ver reasonable boxer, but sadly he only fight bums, now once again he's scheduled with some average cruiserweight guy, I'm strongly disappointed in him again.

Werner Kreiskott, heavyweight top 100, despite 19 loses.
Takam, 4 loses, but still a top 10 heavyweight imo.
Chisora, 8 loses, but still a top 30 heavyweight imo.
Joey Abell, 9 loses, but still a top 100 heavyweight imo.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 14:30
by Stuarty
asdfjkl wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 14:26 Tyrone Spong is actually a ver reasonable boxer, but sadly he only fight bums, now once again he's scheduled with some average cruiserweight guy, I'm strongly disappointed in him again.

Werner Kreiskott, heavyweight top 100, despite 19 loses.
Takam, 4 loses, but still a top 10 heavyweight imo.
Chisora, 8 loses, but still a top 30 heavyweight imo.
Joey Abell, 9 loses, but still a top 100 heavyweight imo.
Spong :lol: :lol: I bet you Jiz your y fronts at the mention of his name :lol:

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 14:36
by asdfjkl
Stuarty wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 14:30
asdfjkl wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 14:26 Tyrone Spong is actually a ver reasonable boxer, but sadly he only fight bums, now once again he's scheduled with some average cruiserweight guy, I'm strongly disappointed in him again.

Werner Kreiskott, heavyweight top 100, despite 19 loses.
Takam, 4 loses, but still a top 10 heavyweight imo.
Chisora, 8 loses, but still a top 30 heavyweight imo.
Joey Abell, 9 loses, but still a top 100 heavyweight imo.
Spong :lol: :lol: I bet you Jiz your y fronts at the mention of his name :lol:
Well, I used to really like him actually, but every single time he's fighting guys that have absolutely no chance against him, he's starting to become a Deontay Wilder the 2nd, he even got ranked by the WBC recently.

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 14:41
by Stuarty
asdfjkl wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 14:36
Stuarty wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 14:30
asdfjkl wrote: 04 Feb 2018, 14:26 Tyrone Spong is actually a ver reasonable boxer, but sadly he only fight bums, now once again he's scheduled with some average cruiserweight guy, I'm strongly disappointed in him again.

Werner Kreiskott, heavyweight top 100, despite 19 loses.
Takam, 4 loses, but still a top 10 heavyweight imo.
Chisora, 8 loses, but still a top 30 heavyweight imo.
Joey Abell, 9 loses, but still a top 100 heavyweight imo.
Spong :lol: :lol: I bet you Jiz your y fronts at the mention of his name :lol:
Well, I used to really like him actually, but every single time he's fighting guys that have absolutely no chance against him, he's starting to become a Deontay Wilder the 2nd, he even got ranked by the WBC recently.
Do you have a poster of him oiled up playing pool in just his pants in your room?

Re: Deceptive Records

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 14:59
by Deserter
Freddie Pendleton:

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/489

26-16-3 when he challenged Whittaker for the world title, and 32-17-4 when he eventually won it in the rematch with Spann.