Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 15:41
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Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 16:08
wilder because i love that ktfo power and aggression and that hes not lazy and fat
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 17:32
Neither, but in the grand scheme of things it would probably be better for the heavyweight division if the younger and more marketable Wilder was to win.
Wilder
Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 18:41
I'm going with Wilder here. Should be a good fight though. It will be interesting to see if Wilder can get Ortiz put of there early or not. There is a good chance Ortiz might last the distance, unless he gasses out.
The guy to watch for in the next 1.5 years is "Triple D", "Dangerous" Daniel Dubois!
The guy to watch for in the next 1.5 years is "Triple D", "Dangerous" Daniel Dubois!
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 08 Feb 2018, 18:50
at the rate dubois moving itll be more than 1.5 years before big dan fights anyone of note. which is fair enough since hes only 20 with 6 fights
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 04:54
Neither, just hoping for a great fight, may the best man win! 
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 05:11
I’m definitely rooting for Wilder. Purely because he’s facing an overrated multiple offender drug cheat that has previously been given an honorary rite of passage to being considered the top dog at heavyweight by many, with them requiring the need for verification by seeing the Cuban face the very best opposition.
If people don't believe me, I can supply numerous threads from this forum from a couple of years ago containing multiple posts claiming that Ortiz was the dominant heavyweight and that everyone was too scared to face him.
If people don't believe me, I can supply numerous threads from this forum from a couple of years ago containing multiple posts claiming that Ortiz was the dominant heavyweight and that everyone was too scared to face him.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 05:18
Ortiz
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 11:00
Nah, thanks for the generous offer but we'll do without.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Feb 2018, 05:11If people don't believe me, I can supply numerous threads from this forum from a couple of years ago containing multiple posts claiming that Ortiz was the dominant heavyweight and that everyone was too scared to face him.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 11:02
I'm rooting for Wilder because he's the American and undefeated. I usually go for the undefeated guy because I admire greatness in fighters. But if he loses I'll get over it relatively quickly.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 11:41
TBH I genuinly don't like Wilder and knowing Wilder, he already knows something that makes sure this fight will never actually happen. Somehow, despite I'd really like to see Wilder losing, I would have prefered to see it against other guys, who actually still have a future in this sport, like Miller, Kownacki, Breazeale, Junlong Zhang, Rivas, Dinu, Ugonoh, Hrgovic, Gashi, Tony Yoka, Dubois.
At this moment, I don't really care, Ortiz doesn't have a future, so he will lose his next fight against anyone reasonable anyway.
Because of this, may the best men win. And if the fight actually happens, I just hope it will have a fair endresult, not a moment like what happened between AJ and Takam, because Takam clearly wasn't ended at the moment the fight stopped.
At this moment, I don't really care, Ortiz doesn't have a future, so he will lose his next fight against anyone reasonable anyway.
Because of this, may the best men win. And if the fight actually happens, I just hope it will have a fair endresult, not a moment like what happened between AJ and Takam, because Takam clearly wasn't ended at the moment the fight stopped.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 12:28
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 13:04
I voted "May the best man win" but I guess I hope that best man turns out to be Wilder.
Despite his drug history, I really like Ortiz. What I like most about him is his absolute belief in his own ability. Nothing illustrates this better than him risking his guaranteed mega retirement payout against Joshua by walking away from his WBA mandatory status in order to fight Wilder. He must have been so sure of beating Wilder and going on to fight AJ in a unification. There is no other explanation. That belief is about to be put to the test.
The trouble is Ortiz won't be around by 2020 so he isn't exactly the future of the heavyweight division. If Ortiz does expose Deontay's technical shortcomings and knocks him out, which is hardly a stretch of the imagination, then this will consign the most hotly anticipated showdown in the division, if not the whole of boxing., to the scrap-heap.
That will be like the massive finale that "The Wire" was moving toward, being scuppered by the kid shooting Omar. For those who don't know what I'm blathering about, I mean it'll be an enormous anti-climax.
Of course Parker could upset the apple-cart too.
Despite his drug history, I really like Ortiz. What I like most about him is his absolute belief in his own ability. Nothing illustrates this better than him risking his guaranteed mega retirement payout against Joshua by walking away from his WBA mandatory status in order to fight Wilder. He must have been so sure of beating Wilder and going on to fight AJ in a unification. There is no other explanation. That belief is about to be put to the test.
The trouble is Ortiz won't be around by 2020 so he isn't exactly the future of the heavyweight division. If Ortiz does expose Deontay's technical shortcomings and knocks him out, which is hardly a stretch of the imagination, then this will consign the most hotly anticipated showdown in the division, if not the whole of boxing., to the scrap-heap.
That will be like the massive finale that "The Wire" was moving toward, being scuppered by the kid shooting Omar. For those who don't know what I'm blathering about, I mean it'll be an enormous anti-climax.
Of course Parker could upset the apple-cart too.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 14:38
I'd definitely rather see Ortiz win, but I don't expect he's gonna.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 14:44
and in another thread you were all high and mighty and looking down on people for being nationally biased in who they cheer for
funny because in that same thread you basically said that youre biased against euro fighters and generally hope for them to lose
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 14:57
Do you remember the exact quote? I'm not saying its impossible that I was hypocritical, as I believe all humans are hypocrites sometimes.
I don't think there is anything wrong with rooting for nationality. Rooting for color is a bit uglier to me, but people still have every right to do it.
What I was trying to say was that knowing many Eastern European fans root for their own against an American makes it a bit more fun to root for the American. I don't think there anything wrong with that. I saw Wilder-Spilkva live in Brooklyn and almost everyone had a good time, I guess except for Spilkva at the end.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 14:57
They all have more future as Ortiz, who I expect to be completely done in 1 or 2 years.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 15:17
Wilder, because he is a more interesting opponent for Fury or Joshua.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 15:28
Wilder for me.
The HW division is far more interesting with his presence & couple that with the fact that Ortiz is about 52, there's more potential for big fights with Wilder.
The HW division is far more interesting with his presence & couple that with the fact that Ortiz is about 52, there's more potential for big fights with Wilder.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 17:04
Ortiz. I am really tired of Wilder's cherry picking and him pretending to be the best HW and comparing himself to Mike Tyson.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 17:52
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 17:56
i understand that wilder had some seriously weak opposition in the past when he was coming up the rankings, but probably for the last 3 years now his resume is easily up there with the very best in the division, and if he beats ortiz it will be at worst #2.
ad to that that hes got a great punch and is fun as fornicate to watch and comes in shape and fights often, what reasons to hate?
i think what happened with wilder is that his early very bad opposition caused some hate, which i can understand, but those haters arent willing to change there stance even as he steps up.
ad to that that hes got a great punch and is fun as fornicate to watch and comes in shape and fights often, what reasons to hate?
i think what happened with wilder is that his early very bad opposition caused some hate, which i can understand, but those haters arent willing to change there stance even as he steps up.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2018, 22:54
Deontay Wilder has to make a statement in this fight one way or the other, everyone will be watching.
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 02:55
Tony1244 wrote: ↑09 Feb 2018, 14:57
Do you remember the exact quote? I'm not saying its impossible that I was hypocritical, as I believe all humans are hypocrites sometimes.
cs: Well said Tony. On the basis that a thief is a thief even if he/she spends little time doing it, I always say 'we are all of us hypocrites and the biggest ones are those who would deny it'.
I don't think there is anything wrong with rooting for nationality. Rooting for color is a bit uglier to me, but people still have every right to do it.
cs: During the seventies I was conscious that boxing and my favourite division was dominated by black guys. I would tend to favour the white fighters if only to show that we could fight too. Since the entry of Eastern Europe into pro boxing balance has been largely restored and now I can truthfully say that the colour of a man's skin is simply irrelevant to me. The idea of rooting based on skin colour strikes me as distasteful but perhaps, given what I said about the seventies, that bears out what we said about hypocrisy.
What I was trying to say was that knowing many Eastern European fans root for their own against an American makes it a bit more fun to root for the American. I don't think there anything wrong with that. I saw Wilder-Spilkva live in Brooklyn and almost everyone had a good time, I guess except for Spilkva at the end.
cs: Aint that the truth! (Szpilka at the end)
Re: Will you root for Wilder or for Ortiz ?
Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 03:55
Personally, there are only two relevant factors : boxing style and personality.
I don't care for nationality, ethnicity, race or religion.
For example : I like Spence, but I don't like Broner,etc...etc....
I don't care for nationality, ethnicity, race or religion.
For example : I like Spence, but I don't like Broner,etc...etc....