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I didnt see the fight on tv last night but listened to the commentary on Talksport.

Before the fight Bellew was commenting on that Jr was wrapping his own hands and saying its not done by yourself these days, Glen McCRory went on to say Eubank is homegrown meaning that they do things their way rather than the correct way.

Again during the fight Bellew was saying that Eubanks footwork was all wrong and he was tripping himself up when he was throwing long rights, again all his basics are wrong.

He compared both boxers on how Groves was the better trained boxer and had more skill.

It seemed on the night Eubank was found out and at the end of the day the Eubank hype didnt pay off. Groves was the master technician on the night and gave Jr a lesson he will never forget.

I personally thought Eubank was going to beat Groves, i knew and did say that Groves had the better resume and on paper jr could not beat him, but i just thought the Eubanks being Eubanks they would pull this out of the bag and be victorious.

Anyway, is it Sr thats ruining Jrs career?

Is sr running the show for his own benefit, like reliving his career?

i dont know whose responsible but its obvious the right time hasnt been spent on getting technique and tactics right. seems more like 'go in there and do him!' type of mindless approach, and junior has so many technical errors that you have to wonder whats going on in the gym and where the guidance is

i wonder if even behind closed doors in training hes too concerned about looking good and flashy and doing superficial things like hitting the bag as fast as he can with massive combos that would obviously not be of much application to a fight, rather than drilling does the basics which dont look as fancy but are useful. coneye made a note about eubanks padwork too

to me theres something very superficial about eubank and i think thats also what made it easy for many to be taken in

and also jr is almost 30, maybe he needs to take the initiative and responsibility too rather than just daddy being blamed. honestly though i think hes unlikely to get much better if at all.

has he gotten any better since the bjs fight? youd think naturally a guy green going into that would now be better with the added experiences but honestly i dont see it. it was just easy to assume he had.

Argument to be made that the opportunities and payday’s he has received owe a lot to his surname so it’s oretty harsh to say Dad is ruining his career. His dad helped create the myth he was an elite level fighter

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 03:53 Argument to be made that the opportunities and payday’s he has received owe a lot to his surname so it’s oretty harsh to say Dad is ruining his career. His dad helped create the myth he was an elite level fighter

He's technically flawed, very flawed.

He knows deep down his limitations, that's why he gets himself in such great condition all year round to be able to outwork and outfight anybody on the night. Problem with that being said, you got to apply non stop pressure from the get go, and keep grinding throughout the fight. He just went and gave the first 6 rounds away again, and by then it's too late if you don't posses enough crack in your punches for the later rounds. It's dangerous against a sharp boxer and hard counter puncher, but that's the fight you signed up for.

I posted about the poor padwork in the open workout this week. Where jnr was flat footed and leaving his chin hanging out.

Compared to the GG padwork which was a technical honing session, jnr seemed to just want flashy combos.

I think in the gym they focus on what jnr is very good at, which is combos against a static target instead pf improving the weaknesses.

He is arsing his sons career, who is his trainer? Ronnie Davies just seems to be a corner man as his old man hogs the limelight. The Eubanks will continue being deluded, he thought he won the fight ffs!

nitro5912 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 04:26 I posted about the poor padwork in the open workout this week. Where jnr was flat footed and leaving his chin hanging out.

Compared to the GG padwork which was a technical honing session, jnr seemed to just want flashy combos.

I think in the gym they focus on what jnr is very good at, which is combos against a static target instead pf improving the weaknesses.

That had do many parallels with society today. More interested in looking good (spending cash you don't have, doing flashy combo work) than grafting to get to where you need to be (earning, saving and working on boring technique)

You can't polish a turd all you can do is roll it around in glitter like they have done with Jnr !
Lets be fair Jnr is technically awful , would love to know who taught him to box because technically he reminds me of someone thats self taught himself by watching videos of boxing !
He will never be world champion ,thought Naz said it right...hes just not good enough .

freddydoesdallas wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 04:52

nitro5912 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 04:26 I posted about the poor padwork in the open workout this week. Where jnr was flat footed and leaving his chin hanging out.

Compared to the GG padwork which was a technical honing session, jnr seemed to just want flashy combos.

I think in the gym they focus on what jnr is very good at, which is combos against a static target instead pf improving the weaknesses.

That had do many parallels with society today. More interested in looking good (spending cash you don't have, doing flashy combo work) than grafting to get to where you need to be (earning, saving and working on boring technique)

Which is weird because Snr knows all about how hard you need to work to compete at that level.

Mind you, he’s sharper than people give him credit for. He acts the div, but he’s always had an eye on the pound notes and has a talent for earning good money.
He absolutely knows his sons limitations, he also knows his image can make him more money than his actual talent can. Fair play to them

Sr. has been fantastic for him. He's been matched and hyped perfectly to even get to this level. He was hoping Saunders would tire, he did, and hoping Groves would stand with him, he didn't. They were the only hope he had in those fights. GGG would have beaten the shit out of him. Badly.

Mimmy wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 03:13 Is Eubank Sr ruining Jr's career?

Yes.

ILikeBeer wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 06:41

Mimmy wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 03:13 Is Eubank Sr ruining Jr's career?

Yes.

thanks for the input

I've not posted in a while but here goes!
Why is his career ruined? He's just challenged for a world title fight and lost, earning a reported £1.5m for it.
He's a multi millionaire, earning alot of money for fights he shouldn't.
Yes all boxers want to reach the pinnacle and win a world title, but they also want to be rich and secure a future for themselves.
If Eubank walks away from the sport tomorrow, he retires a rich man. Is that a ruined career?
At the end of the day, boxing is a job and most of them chase a pay day as much as they chase a title.

If he's as limited as people are now saying, shouldnt we be saying what a great job they've done with him getting him to world title fight level and earning a bucket load of cash in the process?

Josh1111 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 08:06 I've not posted in a while but here goes!
Why is his career ruined? He's just challenged for a world title fight and lost, earning a reported £1.5m for it.
He's a multi millionaire, earning alot of money for fights he shouldn't.
Yes all boxers want to reach the pinnacle and win a world title, but they also want to be rich and secure a future for themselves.
If Eubank walks away from the sport tomorrow, he retires a rich man. Is that a ruined career?
At the end of the day, boxing is a job and most of them chase a pay day as much as they chase a title.

If he's as limited as people are now saying, shouldnt we be saying what a great job they've done with him getting him to world title fight level and earning a bucket load of cash in the process?

Sadly, you're right. That's what boxing is now.

And opportunity to earn money. A show. It's not been a sport for a while now.

ILikeBeer wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 08:16

Josh1111 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 08:06 I've not posted in a while but here goes!
Why is his career ruined? He's just challenged for a world title fight and lost, earning a reported £1.5m for it.
He's a multi millionaire, earning alot of money for fights he shouldn't.
Yes all boxers want to reach the pinnacle and win a world title, but they also want to be rich and secure a future for themselves.
If Eubank walks away from the sport tomorrow, he retires a rich man. Is that a ruined career?
At the end of the day, boxing is a job and most of them chase a pay day as much as they chase a title.

If he's as limited as people are now saying, shouldnt we be saying what a great job they've done with him getting him to world title fight level and earning a bucket load of cash in the process?

Sadly, you're right. That's what boxing is now.

And opportunity to earn money. A show. It's not been a sport for a while now.

but is that a bad thing? We dont want them getting in that ring, putting their life on the line each time to not get paid alot.
Like him or not, he is entertaining to watch, however limited he is, however little he moves his feet, however much he loads up.

All sports are business before sport, nobody does anything for fun over money. I think we should applaud both Jr & Sr for how they've guided him to world title fight and big paydays

Josh1111 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 08:43 but is that a bad thing? We dont want them getting in that ring, putting their life on the line each time to not get paid alot.
Like him or not, he is entertaining to watch, however limited he is, however little he moves his feet, however much he loads up.

All sports are business before sport, nobody does anything for fun over money. I think we should applaud both Jr & Sr for how they've guided him to world title fight and big paydays

I'm not saying that they shouldn't get paid loads, or that there shouldn't be a business side to it.

But we were discussing somebody getting title shots due to name ability, rather then because they deserved it.

I'd rather there was one World Champion per weight, and the top contenders fought for it. People getting shots due to merit, rather than name value. Sadly, boxing hasn't even remotely resembled that for a long time.