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I'm not convinced Ortiz wont piss hot again but assuming this fight happens I cant wait for it. Trying to analyze it I expect Wilder will tie Ortiz up alot on the inside, and I mean ALOT. Ortiz will wobble Wilder a few times. Being 20 yrs younger I expect Wilder will be able to outmaneuver him in most of the rounds and bank rounds behind the jab.

diddy wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:44 I'm not convinced Ortiz wont piss hot again but assuming this fight happens I cant wait for it. Trying to analyze it I expect Wilder will tie Ortiz up alot on the inside, and I mean ALOT. Ortiz will wobble Wilder a few times. Being 20 yrs younger I expect Wilder will be able to outmaneuver him in most of the rounds and bank rounds behind the jab.

Ortiz eats him alive IMHO.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:45

diddy wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:44 I'm not convinced Ortiz wont piss hot again but assuming this fight happens I cant wait for it. Trying to analyze it I expect Wilder will tie Ortiz up alot on the inside, and I mean ALOT. Ortiz will wobble Wilder a few times. Being 20 yrs younger I expect Wilder will be able to outmaneuver him in most of the rounds and bank rounds behind the jab.

Ortiz eats him alive IMHO.

This is one of those fights where i think the books believe Ortiz is actually being drug tested sufficiently, meaning if he actually gets to the fight he is probably clean. WIlder is a -320 favorite. If Ortiz is doping he never makes it to the fight and its voided anyway. Just something to seriously consider here.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:45

diddy wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:44 I'm not convinced Ortiz wont piss hot again but assuming this fight happens I cant wait for it. Trying to analyze it I expect Wilder will tie Ortiz up alot on the inside, and I mean ALOT. Ortiz will wobble Wilder a few times. Being 20 yrs younger I expect Wilder will be able to outmaneuver him in most of the rounds and bank rounds behind the jab.

Ortiz eats him alive IMHO.

I'd love it if you were right, but Ortiz has looked like sh*t lately against pretty mediocre opposition. He definitely can time and counter one of Wilder's wild attacks (they're not all wild, but he has a tendency to get wild and flail with his punches sometimes), but I figure the advantage Wilder has in speed and athleticism will be big for him in this fight.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:48

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:45

diddy wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:44 I'm not convinced Ortiz wont piss hot again but assuming this fight happens I cant wait for it. Trying to analyze it I expect Wilder will tie Ortiz up alot on the inside, and I mean ALOT. Ortiz will wobble Wilder a few times. Being 20 yrs younger I expect Wilder will be able to outmaneuver him in most of the rounds and bank rounds behind the jab.

Ortiz eats him alive IMHO.

I'd love it if you were right, but Ortiz has looked like sh*t lately against pretty mediocre opposition. He definitely can time and counter one of Wilder's wild attacks (they're not all wild, but he has a tendency to get wild and flail with his punches sometimes), but I figure the advantage Wilder has in speed and athleticism will be big for him in this fight.

He is 49 years old so slippage is to be expected.

I'm convinced Wilder will find a way out and fight a bum like Charles Martin instead.
Otherwise, I'm convinced there will be a bribed referee involved and otherwise Ortiz will win easely and badly.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:53 I'm convinced Wilder will find a way out and fight a bum like Charles Martin instead.
Otherwise, I'm convinced there will be a bribed referee involved and otherwise Ortiz will win easely and badly.

If he were gonna be fighting a replacement opponent for some reason it would've been announced by now. I've been as critical of Wilder for not fighting top opposition as anybody, but I think the fight is going down this time, and I don't think it's bribed or otherwise shady if Wilder wins either.

Just a case of he's catching a good fighter at the right time. Ortiz has looked sh*t in the last few years. That's why he's getting his shot.

I just went and watched Ortiz last fight. He looks noticeably more lumbering than in the past. He's gonna lose.

In Order of Possibility

1) No fight
2) Early Wilder win
3) Late Ortiz win

Ortiz is being tested a lot. He will stay clean. And he is not 20 years older
It's been a few years since I've seen him fight like he could beat Wilder, so unless he does something really special, he is going down, or Wilder breakes his hand on that Easter Island head.

Ortiz needs to turn back the clock like Wladimir Klitschko did versus AJ.... Ortiz needs to fight like he's younger than he is.

Boxing is a mental thing as much as an age thing.... Foreman had the right attitude, "Age will help me.... I'm smarter now."

With age comes experience... Ortiz needs to go into that ring totally focused and with a great game plan... He needs to line Wilder up well and nail that sucker on the chin... He's got the power, the size, the strength, and the chin -- if not the speed.

Speed is relative.... Timing and craft beats youthful speed -- and that's how middleaged boxers get it done.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 14:44 Ortiz is being tested a lot. He will stay clean. And he is not 20 years older
It's been a few years since I've seen him fight like he could beat Wilder, so unless he does something really special, he is going down, or Wilder breakes his hand on that Easter Island head.

There is NO WAY Ortiz is only 38 yrs old. Look at his face. And he's Cuban. He's 48. At least.

diddy wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 14:48

KiwiRider wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 14:44 Ortiz is being tested a lot. He will stay clean. And he is not 20 years older
It's been a few years since I've seen him fight like he could beat Wilder, so unless he does something really special, he is going down, or Wilder breakes his hand on that Easter Island head.

There is NO WAY Ortiz is only 38 yrs old. Look at his face. And he's Cuban. He's 48. At least.

I saw workout pics of him and he does have an old blokes body. But I would say he is around 40. Still, it's a step up for Wilder even if he is 45.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 14:53

diddy wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 14:48

KiwiRider wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 14:44 Ortiz is being tested a lot. He will stay clean. And he is not 20 years older
It's been a few years since I've seen him fight like he could beat Wilder, so unless he does something really special, he is going down, or Wilder breakes his hand on that Easter Island head.

There is NO WAY Ortiz is only 38 yrs old. Look at his face. And he's Cuban. He's 48. At least.

I saw workout pics of him and he does have an old blokes body. But I would say he is around 40. Still, it's a step up for Wilder even if he is 45.

Even if he's 50, it hadn't mattered so far. He's unbeaten.

I suppose when Wilder wins, his detractors will cry that Ortiz has to be at least 60.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 18:48

KiwiRider wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 14:53

diddy wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 14:48

There is NO WAY Ortiz is only 38 yrs old. Look at his face. And he's Cuban. He's 48. At least.

I saw workout pics of him and he does have an old blokes body. But I would say he is around 40. Still, it's a step up for Wilder even if he is 45.

Even if he's 50, it hadn't mattered so far. He's unbeaten.

I suppose when Wilder wins, his detractors will cry that Ortiz has to be at least 60.

It's lose-lose for Wilder unless Ortiz makes it competitive.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:56

asdfjkl wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 13:53 I'm convinced Wilder will find a way out and fight a bum like Charles Martin instead.
Otherwise, I'm convinced there will be a bribed referee involved and otherwise Ortiz will win easely and badly.

If he were gonna be fighting a replacement opponent for some reason it would've been announced by now. I've been as critical of Wilder for not fighting top opposition as anybody, but I think the fight is going down this time, and I don't think it's bribed or otherwise shady if Wilder wins either.

Just a case of he's catching a good fighter at the right time. Ortiz has looked sh*t in the last few years. That's why he's getting his shot.

We'll see, why didn't they ask Breazeale again? I think because he's too much of a risk, he already won against their Polish guy when they didn't expect it and who's carreer they are now ruining. They just abused Breazeale as part of their trick, we all knew Stiverne had 0 chance against Breazeale. But they, and Stiverne, knew very well that Stiverne was never going to fight Breazeale. They are doing the same trick with Curtis Harper right now.

Wilder will make easy work of Ortiz. He will box from the outside much like he did in the first Stiverne fight and Ortiz will be stuck in the mud all night. Ortiz's best shot at winning is getting right in Wilders chest early and catching him cold, the longer the fight goes the more it will favor the younger fresher more athletic Wilder who I assume has a better gas tank as well.

I'm gonna say TKO 11 for Wilder. Wilder will start cautious, Ortiz will slow down in the mid round, then it's only a matter of time before Wilder catches Ortiz.

siablo14 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 17:49

SenorPipino wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 18:48

KiwiRider wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 14:53
I saw workout pics of him and he does have an old blokes body. But I would say he is around 40. Still, it's a step up for Wilder even if he is 45.

Even if he's 50, it hadn't mattered so far. He's unbeaten.

I suppose when Wilder wins, his detractors will cry that Ortiz has to be at least 60.

It's lose-lose for Wilder unless Ortiz makes it competitive.

Actually, it will be lose-lose-lose if you pay attention to Wilder's critics.

If Ortiz is remotely competitive as you suggest, the haters will simply say that Wilder struggled to beat a senior citizen.

There's no credit to be had, I guarantee you.

At this point ... Wilder puts a beating on him one way or the other.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 23:01

siablo14 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 17:49

SenorPipino wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 18:48

Even if he's 50, it hadn't mattered so far. He's unbeaten.

I suppose when Wilder wins, his detractors will cry that Ortiz has to be at least 60.

It's lose-lose for Wilder unless Ortiz makes it competitive.

Actually, it will be lose-lose-lose if you pay attention to Wilder's critics.

If Ortiz is remotely competitive as you suggest, the haters will simply say that Wilder struggled to beat a senior citizen.

There's no credit to be had, I guarantee you.

I'll definitely give him credit with any sort of win here pretty much because it'd be the best win of his career regardless of Ortiz's age. He can still do better obviously, but it'd be the most impressive win on his ledger to date so that's worthy of praise so long as it's not just a stinkfest of a fight or something.

I love this fight. It should have happened before but that's water under the bridge. Wilder fans are saying he won't get credit when he wins because of Ortiz's age. Well that's the downside of waiting for your opponent to show signs of being past his best, it is what it is.

For me the ideal scenario is that Ortiz turns back the clock and Wilder triumphs after overcoming real adversity and is validated by Ortiz as Joshua was by Klitscho thus setting up a mega-fight with Joshua who will hopefully get past Parker.

I for one credit both men win or lose for taking the fight. Ortiz even at 39 if you believe that, is still the most respectable opponent Wilder could have chosen. He hasn't looked great against Scott or Allen but he got the job done. He annihilated Jennings before that and looked devastating. He had a vastly experienced and successful amateur career. He was never reliant on speed and has the technical ability to dismantle Deontay. His chin is good and has the skills to avoid the vaunted Wilder right hand. Although the shorter man by about 3" he enjoys about an inch or two advantage in reach. If he can get close to Wilder he is very adept at mixing up hooks and uppercuts from close range. He should give us a good indication as to how good is Deontay's chin.

Can Deontay win? Most definitely. He needs to be cautious and use his youth and superior speed and stamina to keep Ortiz at range. If Ortiz gets close Wilder needs to wrap him up tight, although this might be easier said than done. Deontay might gamble on coming out fast in an attempt to blow Ortiz away in round one but Luis is no punching bag like Stiverne his rating is not political.

We have seen in the Stiverne fight (as opposed to the Stiverne walkover) that Wilder can produce a sensible and disciplined box off the back foot display, and as rounds go by Ortiz might start to get a little ragged as he tires. Deontay should interrupt his retreat regularly and set himself to throw fierce right hands to keep Ortiz respectful.

This could be a great fight. I was starting to be a little fearful that a man of at least 39 looking at a long term ban by the WBC and WBA might agree to anything in order to get re-instated and this title fight back on but I don't think there is anything to worry about. Ortiz came out this week calling Deontay a coward. He doesn't sound like a man who is resigned to suffering defeat.

Ortiz has beat no one of significance Wilder beats him by Tko round 9

jennings wasnt bad at the time, prob about the level of stiverne

cant wait for deontay to beat ortiz , please then dont tell me hes beaten no one. ortiz is top 5 still easy

bomb squad

1 week till the guy hyped as the boogyman gets put to sleep by deontay

tell me he doesnt beat good opponents then

let me guess, suddenly joe parker and jarrell miller are better then ortiz

Well they are both undefeated - at least for the next month