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Or even at cruiser weight (since Povetkin is a small heavyweight that could probably make cruiser weight)?

Who do you think wins?

They have two common opponents:

1) Manuel Charr: Povetkin knocked him out in 7 rounds whilst Mairis Briedis knocked him out more brutally in 5 rounds.

2) Mike Perez: Alexander Povetkin knocked him out in the first round whilst Briedis won a lopsided unanimous decision against him.

3) Marco Huck: Alexander Povetkin beat Marco Huck by majority decision whilst Mairis Briedis beat Marco Huck by unanimous decision.


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Most likely - Povetkin by decision, if he isn't totally shot. If Povetkin can't KO David Price in the first 3 rounds, he is finished.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 19:37 Most likely - Povetkin by decision, if he isn't totally shot. If Povetkin can't KO David Price in the first 3 rounds, he is finished.

Alexander Povetkin is nowhere close to the size of David Price. He doesn't need to KO someone as HUGE as David Price in order to not be considered 'shot'. That's a ridiculous expectation!

Bigger and heavier boxers are usually more durable and Povetkin ALWAYS found it difficult to hurt bigger sized opponents who outweighed him significantly.

Povetkin doesn't really try to KO under his new coach, but he probably easely could.

A better version of Povetkin than the current one should have a loss to Marco Huck on his record.

Povetkin has faded a bit, and despite his record of defences, I think Briedis is better than even that version of Huck.

The smarter, better boxer wins a comfortable decision.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 19:37 Most likely - Povetkin by decision, if he isn't totally shot. If Povetkin can't KO David Price in the first 3 rounds, he is finished.

This is not a good indicator of anything. I certainly expect Povetkin to score a KO within 5. But the round of victory has never been an indicator of how good a fighter is.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 19:42

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 19:37 Most likely - Povetkin by decision, if he isn't totally shot. If Povetkin can't KO David Price in the first 3 rounds, he is finished.

Alexander Povetkin is nowhere close to the size of David Price. He doesn't need to KO someone as HUGE as David Price in order to not be considered 'shot'. That's a ridiculous expectation!

Bigger and heavier boxers are usually more durable and Povetkin ALWAYS found it difficult to hurt bigger sized opponents who outweighed him significantly.

He won't have any problem hurting Price, who has no chin and absolutely no resistance.

Fight would come down to stamina/durability, which seems to be Briedis' weak link and is probably Povetkin's greatest asset still.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 21:23

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 19:42

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 19:37 Most likely - Povetkin by decision, if he isn't totally shot. If Povetkin can't KO David Price in the first 3 rounds, he is finished.

Alexander Povetkin is nowhere close to the size of David Price. He doesn't need to KO someone as HUGE as David Price in order to not be considered 'shot'. That's a ridiculous expectation!

Bigger and heavier boxers are usually more durable and Povetkin ALWAYS found it difficult to hurt bigger sized opponents who outweighed him significantly.

He won't have any problem hurting Price, who has no chin and absolutely no resistance.

David Price has never been knocked out by anybody as physically as small in size, light in weight, short in height and short in reach as Alexander Povetkin. The boxers who knocked out David Price were all significantly bigger in height, weight and reach compared to Alexander Povetkin and they were all also arguably more powerful punchers than Povetkin is.

I think Povetkin is physically too small to breach Price's durability due to the size difference. I can see a stoppage happening from Price becoming tired. But I can't see a clean knockout happening.

This fight most likely lasts the distance. And Price probably has a higher chance of knocking out Povetkin than vice versa.

povetkin is a harder puncher then anyone price fought, i think your trolling to suggest a guy like hammer hits harder

and teper and hammer are around the same size as him....erks 65 listing is bogus. both stopped price despite being way smaller. compare pics of hammer with pov and teper, these guys are in the same size class

ironfrost? got the same povetkin obsession

Definitely Povetkin hits hard enough and is big enough to knock out the big scouser - check any Price comparison web-site (sorry that was a very bad joke )

I totally misunderstood Boxing Writer when he said that Povetkin was finished if he couldn't knockout Price in 3 rounds. I read it like Price would then come on strong to win the fight. Then I realized BW isn't daft and wouldn't have suggested such nonsense, no what he meant of course was that a Povetkin who isn't totally shot would have no difficulty in despatching Price inside 3 rounds so if he doesn't then clearly Povetkin isn't what he used to be.

Whether he beats Briedis or not depends on what he has left. I didn't vote because how much is not clear to me right now.

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 06:50 Definitely Povetkin hits hard enough and is big enough to knock out the big scouser - check any Price comparison web-site (sorry that was a very bad joke )

I totally misunderstood Boxing Writer when he said that Povetkin was finished if he couldn't knockout Price in 3 rounds. I read it like Price would then come on strong to win the fight. Then I realized BW isn't daft and wouldn't have suggested such nonsense, no what he meant of course was that a Povetkin who isn't totally shot would have no difficulty in despatching Price inside 3 rounds so if he doesn't then clearly Povetkin isn't what he used to be.

Whether he beats Briedis or not depends on what he has left. I didn't vote because how much is not clear to me right now.

I doubt Alexander Povetkin can generate the power required to effect David Price much, never mind KO him. Since he failed to even badly hurt the smaller sized Christian Hammer who himself also significantly outweighed and out-sized Alexander Povetkin. The bigger sized David Price compared to Christian Hammer is going to be even more durable and tougher for Alexander Povetkin to KO if he already failed to KO Christian Hammer. The tiny Povetkin probably isn't big enough and strong enough in size to generate the power required to breach David Price's durability to get a clean KO. I think Povetkin's best bet is winning by TKO stoppage through cuts or through tiring David Price. A clean KO seems unlikely, almost to the point of impossibility for Alexander Povetkin to get. It's more likely that David Price manages to KO Alexander Povetkin cleanly, rather than vice versa. Due to the ridiculous size difference!

And it's utterly nonsensical to assume that if Alexander Povetkin can't KO David Price in 3 rounds, that it therefore means he is 'shot'. When did Alexander Povetkin ever KO someone as big as David Price in height, weight and reach in 3 rounds as being suggested? If he has never done so, then how can you claim that Alexander Povetkin who isn't 'shot' shouldn't have any problems dispatching David Price in 3 rounds?

It's a very unfair expectation to have and hold a boxer to. It's like expecting Manny Pacquiao to KO Sullivan barrera inside 3 rounds and if he can't, then it somehow means he is 'shot'.

I don't think you understand just quite how small Povetkin is in size. He is smaller than Oleksandr Usyk. He has no business even being in the ring with giants like David Price and Anthony Joshua. It's almost as if they belong in a different weight division.

jamamb wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 05:02 povetkin is a harder puncher then anyone price fought, i think your trolling to suggest a guy like hammer hits harder

and teper and hammer are around the same size as him....erks 65 listing is bogus. both stopped price despite being way smaller. compare pics of hammer with pov and teper, these guys are in the same size class

ironfrost? got the same povetkin obsession

Alexander Povetkin has never knocked out anybody the size of David Price with the combination of height, reach and weight that David Price possesses. But Erkan Teper, Tony Thompson and Christian Hammer have. So I doubt Alexander Povetkin is more powerful. He's probably just more skilled (offensively) but when it comes to raw physical strength and power, it's debatable if Alexander Povetkin can even generate the power required to breach the durability of someone the size of David Price like how Erkan Teper, Tony Thompson and Christian Hammer have.

I think you're underestimating just how tiny Alexander Povetkin is by modern heavyweight standard who probably doesn't even belong in the heavyweight division today. He looked absolutely tiny in comparison to Christian Hammer when they both faced each other recently. Which became evident and a factor during the fight because Alexander Povetkin had a very difficult time even hurting Christian Hammer with his best punches. Proving the significance size plays in punching power and durability.

And Christian Hammer himself looked smaller in size compared to David Price. Can you imagine how much more small Alexander Povetkin would look when he is inside the ring with David Price? And if Christian Hammer's durability was too much for Alexander Povetkin to breach because of how big in size Christian Hammer was in comparison to Alexander Povetkin, how can Povetkin have much success at breaching an even bigger and more durable SUPER heavyweight in David Price? Maybe Alexander Povetkin's power doesn't belong in the heavyweight division against SUPER heavyweights like David Price and Anthony Joshua?

Both Erkan Teper and Christian Hammer may have been smaller in size compared to David Price. However, they aren't when compared to the tiny blown up light heavyweight / cruiser weight that is Alexander Povetkin.

And I am a HUGE Alexander Povetkin fan by the way. Povetkin is my favorite heavyweight of all time but unfortunately for him, the current heavyweight division is no longer suitable for him because he simply isn't big enough to compete against HUGE super heavyweights of today, despite his amazing boxing skills. His boxing abilities belong a weight division or two below. Alexander Povetkin would have been an ideal heavyweight 20 or 30 years ago though when heavyweights were smaller and closer to his size for him to be able to be effective with his boxing skills against.

i'd rather see Povetkin vs Usyk

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 03:18

SenorPipino wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 21:23

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 19:42

Alexander Povetkin is nowhere close to the size of David Price. He doesn't need to KO someone as HUGE as David Price in order to not be considered 'shot'. That's a ridiculous expectation!

Bigger and heavier boxers are usually more durable and Povetkin ALWAYS found it difficult to hurt bigger sized opponents who outweighed him significantly.

He won't have any problem hurting Price, who has no chin and absolutely no resistance.

David Price has never been knocked out by anybody as physically as small in size, light in weight, short in height and short in reach as Alexander Povetkin. The boxers who knocked out David Price were all significantly bigger in height, weight and reach compared to Alexander Povetkin and they were all also arguably more powerful punchers than Povetkin is.

I think Povetkin is physically too small to breach Price's durability due to the size difference. I can see a stoppage happening from Price becoming tired. But I can't see a clean knockout happening.

This fight most likely lasts the distance. And Price probably has a higher chance of knocking out Povetkin than vice versa.

You're going out of your way to overthink and complicate something simple:
Povetkin hits hard enough and is talented enough to whack out Price quickly.

Big heavy, small heavy. It doesn't effin' matter.

Price is physically and mentally shot. Combine that with having one of boxing's weakest chins and he's an early round KO victim waiting to happen. And it don't matter how big Povetkin is or isn't.

It's not the complex equation you insist it is.

Luis: Povetkin destroyed Johann Duhaupas who stood up to Deontay Wilder until the late rounds and although beaten, left him looking pretty banged up. Sadly David Price could only ever be as tough and as durable in his sweetest dreams. Admittedly he was a late-sub but Povetkin blew him away, despite him having a considerable height advantage.

Povetkin knocked Takam out which neither Joshua nor Parker managed to do. Ok Takam isn't tall but he's tough as teak compared to Price. Wilder v Povetkin when it looked like happening was regarded by most neutrals as a genuine 50/50 fight, or those that were confident were about evenly split as to who they thought would crush the other. Deontay at 6' 7" is half a foot taller.

Being much the taller is only an advantage if you now how to exploit it. I'm not sure Price does. These days he doesn't tend to stick around long enough for the fan to formulate an opinion about that. His problems run much deeper and provided Sacha's 38 years haven't caught up with him, Price will be doing well to hear the bell for round 4.

As Evander Holyfield sagely observed: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight but rather the size of the fight in the dog."

I think Breidis would beat him

I'm sure that quote is a lot older than Evander is Pip but it's a very true saying. Now you have me wondering who did say it. It sounds like something Sam Clemens (Mark Twain) might have come up with but that's probably miles off..

SenorPipino wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 12:41 As Evander Holyfield sagely observed: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight but rather the size of the fight in the dog."

Being in your prime while the other guy is past it plays a big part too.

Well bugger me that was a good guess. I just googled it.

jamamb wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 09:09

Be honest with these questions!

Do you genuinely believe that Alexander Povetkin belongs in the same ring against boxers like Anthony Joshua and David price as a credible opponent to them?

Do you genuinely believe that Alexander Povetkin even belongs in the same weight division as David Price or Anthony Joshua or boxers the size of Anthony Joshua and David Price?

Do you genuinely believe that Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua / David Price isn't a mismatch in size but Canelo Alvarez vs Vasyl Lomachenko is? If yes, why?

Should Anthony Joshua or David Price even receive any credit for beating a blown up light heavyweight looking heavyweight in Alexander Povetkin?

I think these are just mismatches! Boxing must introduce a new weight division which separates 'small' heavyweights like Alexander Povetkin, Carlos Takam and David Haye from 'SUPER' heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, David Price and Tyson Fury.

Otherwise, we may as well allow Vasyl Lomachenko taking on Canelo Alvarez and bouts like that happening.

I'm under the impression that 'small' heavyweights like Povetkin and Haye could just be stomped on like a bug / small insect by those 'SUPER' heavyweights. Such is the mismatch!

candyslim wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 12:15 Luis: Povetkin destroyed Johann Duhaupas who stood up to Deontay Wilder until the late rounds and although beaten, left him looking pretty banged up. Sadly David Price could only ever be as tough and as durable in his sweetest dreams. Admittedly he was a late-sub but Povetkin blew him away, despite him having a considerable height advantage.

Povetkin knocked Takam out which neither Joshua nor Parker managed to do. Ok Takam isn't tall but he's tough as teak compared to Price. Wilder v Povetkin when it looked like happening was regarded by most neutrals as a genuine 50/50 fight, or those that were confident were about evenly split as to who they thought would crush the other. Deontay at 6' 7" is half a foot taller.

Being much the taller is only an advantage if you now how to exploit it. I'm not sure Price does. These days he doesn't tend to stick around long enough for the fan to formulate an opinion about that. His problems run much deeper and provided Sacha's 38 years haven't caught up with him, Price will be doing well to hear the bell for round 4.

But none of those guys are 6 foot 10 or whatever height David Price is. Keep in mind that David Price is even taller than Tyson Fury and is easily the tallest opponent Alexander Povetkin would've faced in his entire professional career.

Also keep in mind that Anthony Joshua struggled to KO Carlos Takam like he KO'ed his past opponents because he never once faced a top 10 ranked heavyweight as short as Carlos Takam.

My point is, Alexander Povetkin failing to KO David Price won't mean he is 'shot' at all. Since it's entirely possible that Alexander Povetkin could've failed to KO David Price, even during his prime since he would be facing an opponent as tall and as rangy as David Price for the first time in his pro career.

Heavy + tall opponents are usually difficult to KO. Whether one is in their 'prime' or not. Mike Tyson failed to KO opponents taller than 6 foot 3 inches, even during his prime. Most of those 6 foot 5 boxers either went the distance. Or Mike Tyson took relatively longer to KO them.

Can we really say Alexander Povetkin can generate as much punching power / force as Christian Hammer or Erken Tepper (using his relatively smaller and weaker looking body)?

A boxer may look like they have a weak chin against opponents their own size or bigger than themselves. But as soon as they face opponents much smaller. All of a sudden, their chin can appear to take punches from those smaller opponents which they can't from bigger sized opponents.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 11:45

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 03:18

SenorPipino wrote: ↑23 Feb 2018, 21:23

He won't have any problem hurting Price, who has no chin and absolutely no resistance.

David Price has never been knocked out by anybody as physically as small in size, light in weight, short in height and short in reach as Alexander Povetkin. The boxers who knocked out David Price were all significantly bigger in height, weight and reach compared to Alexander Povetkin and they were all also arguably more powerful punchers than Povetkin is.

I think Povetkin is physically too small to breach Price's durability due to the size difference. I can see a stoppage happening from Price becoming tired. But I can't see a clean knockout happening.

This fight most likely lasts the distance. And Price probably has a higher chance of knocking out Povetkin than vice versa.

You're going out of your way to overthink and complicate something simple:
Povetkin hits hard enough and is talented enough to whack out Price quickly.

Big heavy, small heavy. It doesn't effin' matter.

Price is physically and mentally shot. Combine that with having one of boxing's weakest chins and he's an early round KO victim waiting to happen. And it don't matter how big Povetkin is or isn't.

It's not the complex equation you insist it is.

Size does matter though! Look at Manny Pacquiao. He managed to knock Ricky Hatton out unconscious with just a few punches in just 2 rounds whilst when he fought Antonio Margarito, the much bigger Antonio Margarito was able to take those same punches that knocked Ricky Hattton out unconscious for full 12 rounds without also getting knocked out himself. This only proves that a small boxer who has the power to KO opponents their own size, doesn't mean they will automatically also possess the power required to KO much bigger sized boxers.

Question is, can Alexander Povetkin really generate greater punch power / force than Christian Hammer or Erken Tepper? I'm not too sure because he is much smaller in size compared to them.