Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 19:38
Who do you consider having the better chin / punch resistance?
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Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
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Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 19:58
your on an ironfrost like run of povetkin posting
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 20:05
Povetkin has never been KOed, not even in the amateures as far as I know.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 07:57
Povetkin catch averything his opponent punch with his face, since he do not block and have no head movement. So his durability is well known.
When he got hit by Klitchko he went down, but Klitchko didn’t hit him hard...It is very arguable if Povetkin could survive the strate right that hit Joshua.
When he got hit by Klitchko he went down, but Klitchko didn’t hit him hard...It is very arguable if Povetkin could survive the strate right that hit Joshua.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 08:13
Wladimir Klitschko's left hook is more powerful than his straight right hand and Povetkin managed to survive Klitschko's left hook by getting up immediately.bigman1968 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 07:57 Povetkin catch averything his opponent punch with his face, since he do not block and have no head movement. So his durability is well known.
When he got hit by Klitchko he went down, but Klitchko didn’t hit him hard...It is very arguable if Povetkin could survive the strate right that hit Joshua.
And Wladimir Klitschko landed many flush right hands on Povetkin as well.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 14:46
Even with the hispanicized user name, there's no escaping justice when inspector jamamb is on the case
I'd go with Povetkin on durability, stamina and the edge in technique. Joshua is bigger, stronger, faster and probably hits harder. It's all a bit academic though - as much as I respect Sacha, Joshua would administer an intense and sustained beating.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 15:43
The left hook is what shook AJ in the first place after going to gung-ho hours following the first knockdown.Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 08:13Wladimir Klitschko's left hook is more powerful than his straight right hand and Povetkin managed to survive Klitschko's left hook by getting up immediately.bigman1968 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 07:57 Povetkin catch averything his opponent punch with his face, since he do not block and have no head movement. So his durability is well known.
When he got hit by Klitchko he went down, but Klitchko didn’t hit him hard...It is very arguable if Povetkin could survive the strate right that hit Joshua.
And Wladimir Klitschko landed many flush right hands on Povetkin as well.
I'm massively impressed with Joshua's chin. He can't hide being hurt very well, but his chin and recovery appears excellent.
I rated even. Both are sturdy as can be.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 15:54
But Klitschko's left hook that floored Povetkin was very short, it didn't have the same leverage as his left hook against Pulev. And the right hand he landed on Joshua's chin in the sixth round was one of the best he ever throw.Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 08:13Wladimir Klitschko's left hook is more powerful than his straight right hand and Povetkin managed to survive Klitschko's left hook by getting up immediately.bigman1968 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 07:57 Povetkin catch averything his opponent punch with his face, since he do not block and have no head movement. So his durability is well known.
When he got hit by Klitchko he went down, but Klitchko didn’t hit him hard...It is very arguable if Povetkin could survive the strate right that hit Joshua.
And Wladimir Klitschko landed many flush right hands on Povetkin as well.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 25 Feb 2018, 04:24
Some of the most powerful hooks (or punches in general) travel a very short distance to their target and can be the most effective. I seem to remember reading that 7" was generally considered the optimal distance. No schoolboy jokes please
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 25 Feb 2018, 09:19
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 25 Feb 2018, 23:31
I advice you to go and watch Wladimir Klitschko's knockout over Eddie Chambers where he puts Chambers to sleep / an unconsciousness state for at least 3 minutes with a similar looking left hook. Wladimir Klitschko's left hook doesn't look like much or look very powerful. But even when they don't look very powerful. they still can inflict extreme damage.Boxing Writer wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 15:54But Klitschko's left hook that floored Povetkin was very short, it didn't have the same leverage as his left hook against Pulev. And the right hand he landed on Joshua's chin in the sixth round was one of the best he ever throw.Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 08:13Wladimir Klitschko's left hook is more powerful than his straight right hand and Povetkin managed to survive Klitschko's left hook by getting up immediately.bigman1968 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 07:57 Povetkin catch averything his opponent punch with his face, since he do not block and have no head movement. So his durability is well known.
When he got hit by Klitchko he went down, but Klitchko didn’t hit him hard...It is very arguable if Povetkin could survive the strate right that hit Joshua.
And Wladimir Klitschko landed many flush right hands on Povetkin as well.
And Wladimir Klitschko has pretty much mastered getting knockout power on his left hook in a short distance.
I agree that the right hand which Wladimir Klitschko landed to drop Anthony Joshua was one of his best. Wladimir Klitschko also landed a right hand on Alexander Povetkin. Maybe not as effectively, but still a good right hand which Povetkin managed to take pretty well and he only went down because Wladimir pushed him down.
Both have solid chins in my opinion. Probably equal in an absolute sense. But pound for pound, Povetkin definitely has the better chin / punch resistance because he is much lighter and smaller in size.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 25 Feb 2018, 23:36
I think Wladimir Klitschko's timing on the left hook wasn't as good as it was against Alexander Povetkin and especially against Kubrat Pulev. Age and ring rust had to play a part in my opinion. He tried launching the left hook like he did against Pulev, but the timing wasn't there against Joshua.Yes We Can wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 15:43The left hook is what shook AJ in the first place after going to gung-ho hours following the first knockdown.Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 08:13Wladimir Klitschko's left hook is more powerful than his straight right hand and Povetkin managed to survive Klitschko's left hook by getting up immediately.bigman1968 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 07:57 Povetkin catch averything his opponent punch with his face, since he do not block and have no head movement. So his durability is well known.
When he got hit by Klitchko he went down, but Klitchko didn’t hit him hard...It is very arguable if Povetkin could survive the strate right that hit Joshua.
And Wladimir Klitschko landed many flush right hands on Povetkin as well.
I'm massively impressed with Joshua's chin. He can't hide being hurt very well, but his chin and recovery appears excellent.
I rated even. Both are sturdy as can be.
But I do agree. Anthony Joshua's chin is definitely proven to be above average now that he managed to survive getting knocked out by Wladimir Klitschko despite taking some of Wladimir Klitschko's power punches. I agree with everything else!
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 27 Feb 2018, 04:45
Neither Heavyweight was hit with Klitschko's best shot... A "best shot" is when you load and throw with all your strength -- and you hit chin on the button... The Rahman right hand that nailed Lennox Lewis was pretty close to a "best shot" -- possibly the best punch Rahman ever landed... He's not a great puncher and that shot made his career, but he was exposed in the rematch as not a very good boxer either...Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 08:13Wladimir Klitschko's left hook is more powerful than his straight right hand and Povetkin managed to survive Klitschko's left hook by getting up immediately.bigman1968 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 07:57 Povetkin catch averything his opponent punch with his face, since he do not block and have no head movement. So his durability is well known.
When he got hit by Klitchko he went down, but Klitchko didn’t hit him hard...It is very arguable if Povetkin could survive the strate right that hit Joshua.
And Wladimir Klitschko landed many flush right hands on Povetkin as well.
Both Joshua and Povetkin are very good boxers... Povetkin got better after the Klitschko fight... He trained a lot harder and with greater intensity because he had a measuring stick... He knew how far he had to go to be the best... However he was already 34 at that time, only 3 years younger than K... Joshua underrated Klitschko a little bit... He went hard for the early finish and didn't get it... AJ wasn't exhausted... He got hit because he was slipping the jab with ease and focusing too much on K's jab - when the right hand came.. I didn't think he was in extreme danger or would lose the fight.. He talked to Klitschko to distract him,... He slipped and ducked many of Wlad's follow up efforts and absorbed some of them... and then he worked his way back into the fight like a veteran of 50 fights might do.
The chin is not going to make or break these 2 guys... They don't get hit a lot as it is... Nobody is going to knock them out.. The important thing that will make them is increasing their skills until they leave everybody else miles behind... For Povetkin, the horse had already left the barn... Because of his age he's not going to get a lot better... AJ can still get better and I believe that's what he's the most focused on -- being recognized as the best Heavyweight ever.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 27 Feb 2018, 08:40
AJ's chin seems to be weaker, than Povetkin's one. He was staggered more and worse both in amateurs and pros. AJ had even looked more hurt after Wlad's punch, even though Povetkin was counted out for several times against Klitschko.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 27 Feb 2018, 19:45
I think AJ's chin is ok. His conditioning may be the concern. Gassing out in the later rounds could lead to a knock down.
Povetkin was knocked down by a Wlad jab early the fight. Wlad allegedly helped him manage to stay on his feet until the end of the fight so as not to embarrass him.
Povetkin was knocked down by a Wlad jab early the fight. Wlad allegedly helped him manage to stay on his feet until the end of the fight so as not to embarrass him.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 27 Feb 2018, 21:13
Thanks for your input!Kalan wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 04:45Neither Heavyweight was hit with Klitschko's best shot... A "best shot" is when you load and throw with all your strength -- and you hit chin on the button... The Rahman right hand that nailed Lennox Lewis was pretty close to a "best shot" -- possibly the best punch Rahman ever landed... He's not a great puncher and that shot made his career, but he was exposed in the rematch as not a very good boxer either...Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 08:13Wladimir Klitschko's left hook is more powerful than his straight right hand and Povetkin managed to survive Klitschko's left hook by getting up immediately.bigman1968 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2018, 07:57 Povetkin catch averything his opponent punch with his face, since he do not block and have no head movement. So his durability is well known.
When he got hit by Klitchko he went down, but Klitchko didn’t hit him hard...It is very arguable if Povetkin could survive the strate right that hit Joshua.
And Wladimir Klitschko landed many flush right hands on Povetkin as well.
Both Joshua and Povetkin are very good boxers... Povetkin got better after the Klitschko fight... He trained a lot harder and with greater intensity because he had a measuring stick... He knew how far he had to go to be the best... However he was already 34 at that time, only 3 years younger than K... Joshua underrated Klitschko a little bit... He went hard for the early finish and didn't get it... AJ wasn't exhausted... He got hit because he was slipping the jab with ease and focusing too much on K's jab - when the right hand came.. I didn't think he was in extreme danger or would lose the fight.. He talked to Klitschko to distract him,... He slipped and ducked many of Wlad's follow up efforts and absorbed some of them... and then he worked his way back into the fight like a veteran of 50 fights might do.
The chin is not going to make or break these 2 guys... They don't get hit a lot as it is... Nobody is going to knock them out.. The important thing that will make them is increasing their skills until they leave everybody else miles behind... For Povetkin, the horse had already left the barn... Because of his age he's not going to get a lot better... AJ can still get better and I believe that's what he's the most focused on -- being recognized as the best Heavyweight ever.
What would you say is Wladimir Klitschko's 'best' right hand? As in, can you provide an example of his 'best' right hand he landed on an opponent during an actual bout?
Would you have AJ vs Povetkin a 50/50 bout at their best?
Who do you rank in the top 5 heavyweights today? I'm assuming AJ and Povetkin are number 1 and 2 respectively?
What does AJ have to do to become the best heavyweight ever according to you? I currently have Wladimir Klitschko as the greatest because of his longevity in terms of how long he has stayed on top. Do you think AJ could match or surpass this feat?
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 05:34
Tiny Povetkin (or anybody else his size) isn't suited for the modern heavyweight division. Too small, too weak, too fragile and so forth so on. There'll never be another boxer shorter than 6 foot 4 inches that is going to be a dominant number 1 world heavyweight champion. That's a guarantee! I'll bet my life on this.marvelous marv wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 19:45 I think AJ's chin is ok. His conditioning may be the concern. Gassing out in the later rounds could lead to a knock down.
Povetkin was knocked down by a Wlad jab early the fight. Wlad allegedly helped him manage to stay on his feet until the end of the fight so as not to embarrass him.
It's about time we accepted this as fact and stopped taking small heavyweights seriously or as respectable heavyweights in the modern heavyweight division. We should disregard them altogether and only consider big heavyweights with likelihood of any success.
Feel sorry for Povetkin. Because he has excellent skills and would probably make a very good cruiser weight. Unfortunately for him, he isn't genetically suited to fit in with modern heavyweights. Modern heavyweight boxing is about physical strength, big muscles, high punching power and huge body size / mass. He's been wasting his time at heavyweight.
Povetkin probably gets squashed like a little insect by big genuine super heavyweights like David Price, Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and etc. And I don't want to see him get badly hurt because he is one of my favorite boxers.
Re: Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua (who do you consider to have better chin / punch resistance)?
Posted: 01 Mar 2018, 09:33
Just what what this forum needs. Another serial OP creator with one dumb post after another who loves Povetkin and obscure heavyweights. I need to find another site. This one is on it's way out.