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Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 11:55 Foreman is 50-50? I hope you are talking about the fat old Foreman. Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Liston? huh?

Joshua's biggest win is barely beating an 41-year old Wladimir Klitschko.
At this point, we don't really know if he could get past people like Pinklon Thomas and Tim Witherspoon.

DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 09:14 Foreman, Frazier, Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Vitali, prime Wlad, Bowe, Holmes. For the moment I give AJ almost no chances against the legends.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 14:56

DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 09:14 Foreman, Frazier, Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Vitali, prime Wlad, Bowe, Holmes. For the moment I give AJ almost no chances against the legends.

Foreman would be easily outboxed in much better fashion than Jimmy Young did it .....

Holyfield was wide open for right hands from a tall fighter unless he chose to box, in which case he wouldn't stand a chance in Hell ..... As history proves, Lewis was wide open for right hand bombs from a good thrower with good height. He's a 1 or 2 round job for AJ ...... Vitali would be out boxed over 12. His legs were very stiff from massive Kickboxing injuries

Bowe was a punching bag and the dumbest fk of the group. He was a coward and a lazy assed trainer. So he'd be the easiest out ..... Wlad is the most dangerous, but AJ would outsmart him, and outlast him like he did last time ..... Holmes would be the toughest guy to outbox - but AJ is too big, strong, and quick for him. Larry had the reach on everybody he fought, but would be giving up reach and length to AJ. Larry would get behind, get careless, and get KO'd.

There has absolutely been NOBODY in Fistic History with Anthony Joshua combination of height, weight, reach, speed, power, smarts, and endurance over 12 rounds.... He was fresh as a daisy in the 11th round with Klitschko, pummeling Wladimir into a powder with non-stop combinations -- while Wlad was clearly spent physically and a gone goose.

Tyson Fury would be no different for Joshua.... Fury did nothing but control the distance with Wlad with his jab.... He stunk the place out with slow pacing and waiting all night for Wladimir to throw somthing or take the lead... It was a super slow fight like the Lewis-Holyfield stinkers... Joshua put on an ATG performance after he had all of 43 amateur fights and 44 professional rounds ... many of them shortened rounds.... We haven't seen this talent level before...

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 10:24
Foreman and Joshua is a 50/50 in my mind.....Holmes beats him, Lewis is a good bet, Ali would devise a plan that would outpoint him. I think he has a better than even chance against Liston and Tyson. Not sure I'd bet on a Holyfield encounter. IF this is his peak, then the K bros are good bets to beat him.....if he continues to improve.....then these odds shift a bit.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 15:29

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 10:24
Foreman and Joshua is a 50/50 in my mind.....Holmes beats him, Lewis is a good bet, Ali would devise a plan that would outpoint him. I think he has a better than even chance against Liston and Tyson. Not sure I'd bet on a Holyfield encounter. IF this is his peak, then the K bros are good bets to beat him.....if he continues to improve.....then these odds shift a bit.

Prime Foreman couldn't get rid of little bitty Jimmy Young and got tattooed with jabs and right hands dude. You've gotta be kidding me with Foreman ....... Holmes got leveled with right hands from Shavers and Snipes - not exactly the most deceptive right hand throwers in Fistic History. In comparison, Joshua's right hand is a killer to deal with.

Ali was Punching Bag City. Ali would get really tired from doing almost nothing. Then, lay on the ropes, and let opponents beat his brains in. Ali losing to massive underdogs like the super hittable Ken Norton??? GTFOOH with that Ali crap ..... You'd bet on Joshua against Holyfield cuz It's money in the bank. Holy's too damned small and reachable with big right hands. Even John Ruiz floored Holy with a right hand and beat him. Roy Jones made a complete sap out of the clueless punching bag called John Ruiz. Evander also goes into a shell like he did with slow-assed and hittable Lennox Lewis and gave their 2 fights away ..... This isn't Joshua's peak - but he still outboxes the K-Bros over 12 rounds. AJ said "Anytime they feel like giving it a try I'm ready" ..... Wladimir had enough. He called it a career after his first pummeling by AJ.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 15:01 Any big, powerful guy with skill has a chance against anybody, but I don't doubt that there are guys who could catch him early and take him out.

I could see Lennox Lewis doing him like he did Michael Grant.

AJ is still improving with every fight though so maybe he'll correct his flaws before they ever cost him...most guys though aren't even aware of their flaws until it costs them.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 15:51

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 15:01 Any big, powerful guy with skill has a chance against anybody, but I don't doubt that there are guys who could catch him early and take him out.

I could see Lennox Lewis doing him like he did Michael Grant.

AJ is still improving with every fight though so maybe he'll correct his flaws before they ever cost him...most guys though aren't even aware of their flaws until it costs them.

AJ is much better than Grant - much more skilled, has much better balance, more power and is much smarter comparing to Michael. And, of course, he has a better chin.

It's like saying that Wlad would demolish AJ the same way he demolished Derrick Jefferson and Ray Austin.

Of course, if AJ fought a reckless fight (like against Whyte), he could've been caught early by Lewis, prime Wlad or Foreman, but he is a smart guy - there are no chances of him fighting Lewis the same way he fougght Whyte.

Flump wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:39 AJ is a work in progress still, too early to definitively say who he'd beat and who he wouldn't. All the other fighters mentioned had a career that played out so you can point to fights where they struggled or lost to support your theories.

His only, by historical standards, good opponent had him on the floor and gassed but he showed heart to turn it around. So he has ticked some boxes but until we know the measure of the man it's hard to say.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:40

Flump wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:39 AJ is a work in progress still, too early to definitively say who he'd beat and who he wouldn't. All the other fighters mentioned had a career that played out so you can point to fights where they struggled or lost to support your theories.

His only, by historical standards, good opponent had him on the floor and gassed but he showed heart to turn it around. So he has ticked some boxes but until we know the measure of the man it's hard to say.

And the one that had him down and gassed was in his 40's.

Flump wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:46

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:40

Flump wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:39 AJ is a work in progress still, too early to definitively say who he'd beat and who he wouldn't. All the other fighters mentioned had a career that played out so you can point to fights where they struggled or lost to support your theories.

His only, by historical standards, good opponent had him on the floor and gassed but he showed heart to turn it around. So he has ticked some boxes but until we know the measure of the man it's hard to say.

And the one that had him down and gassed was in his 40's.

Indeed, though I thought Klitshcko fought well, much better than when he was rolling over plodders in title defences. I was never a fan, but he went out like a champ.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:49

Flump wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:46

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 16:40

And the one that had him down and gassed was in his 40's.

Indeed, though I thought Klitshcko fought well, much better than when he was rolling over plodders in title defences. I was never a fan, but he went out like a champ.

Oh no doubt it was one of Wlad's most inspired performances in a long while. I think deep down he knew it was his last hurrah, and he gave it all he had. Reminds me of that old cliche "Every great fighter has one more great fight in him" that was his.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 15:55

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 15:51

gilgamesh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 15:01 Any big, powerful guy with skill has a chance against anybody, but I don't doubt that there are guys who could catch him early and take him out.

I could see Lennox Lewis doing him like he did Michael Grant.

AJ is still improving with every fight though so maybe he'll correct his flaws before they ever cost him...most guys though aren't even aware of their flaws until it costs them.

AJ is much better than Grant - much more skilled, has much better balance, more power and is much smarter comparing to Michael. And, of course, he has a better chin.

It's like saying that Wlad would demolish AJ the same way he demolished Derrick Jefferson and Ray Austin.

Of course, if AJ fought a reckless fight (like against Whyte), he could've been caught early by Lewis, prime Wlad or Foreman, but he is a smart guy - there are no chances of him fighting Lewis the same way he fougght Whyte.

You guys jump to conclusions too much.

I didn't say Lennox Lewis WOULD demolish Anthony Joshua. I said "I could see Lennox Lewis doing him like he did Michael Grant"

The question here is "Who in boxing history CAN demolish Anthony Joshua" whether they can and whether they will or would are two different things, but I certainly don't think anybody would argue that Lennox was incapable of knocking out Joshua or vice versa.

Michael was 32-0 and had won most of his fights by KO when Lennox did what he did to him. I wasn't a fan yet, but I'll bet a lot of people thought Grant was gonna kick Lennox's ass, or at least didn't expect he was gonna be done in inside 2 rounds.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑27 Feb 2018, 18:47 My list would be 100 names or better long, but Earnie Shavers would have poleaxed him definitely.