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To my surprise I've finally been proven wrong by Deontay, I didn't expected this fight to actually happen and even if it would happen, it wouldn't be in a fair way. I'm really glad that I've finally been proven wrong. For me, it was an awesome fight to see, I had to stay awake all the way till 05:00 in the morning and despite I'm tired as hell right now, it was worth it for me.
I never stayed awake for any Wilder fight before and I hated the guy for never facing serious competition, somehow now he finally did and on top of that won the fight in a fair way.
I actually expected Wilder to lose this fight, but instead he took the beat, kept standing and eventually KOed Ortiz.

For me, Wilder is now finally a real top 3 guy, above Povetkin and with only Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury above him. I'd also have to say that I think Wilder earned a fight against either AJ or Tyson by this win. I expect AJ to fight Povetkin next, I think Tyson might become availeble soon.

I still don't have a clue why he refused to fight Dillian Whyte, especially since he could make about 5 mil (?) with it and on top of that, at least for the public, no serious excuses left for AJ to avoid the fight. In my opinion the Ortiz fight was a harder one, which generated less money, less credits afterwards and more risk. But whatever the case I'm happy the Ortiz fight happened.

Once again, congratz Deontay, you earned my respect!

After having 40 bouts, it's nothing really that impressive to beat such a level of opponent because that's expected from a 32 year old title holder.

And Luis Ortiz really isn't as good as some made him out to be. He isn't any better than Jarrell Miller, Kubrat Pulev or even Johan Duhapas.

And I hope Alexander Povetkin doesn't even think about fighting any of those guys. Especially Anthony Joshua because it'd just be cruel, disgusting and a gruesome mismatch against Povetkin who is going to probably sacrifice years from his life, just for a payday. He is physically too weak and small to be anything more than a minor nuisance.

I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome.

Putting Povetkin against the likes of Joshua is as cruel as animal torture or torturing a human by tying them up. It's against human rights! The poor, hopeless guy shouldn't even be allowed to compete in the heavyweight division.

Wilder does deserve credit, that's for sure.

A lot of people have been slating this guy for years; some said he wouldn't fight Ortiz, even though he was going to fight him previously & the fight didn't happen because of Ortiz & not Wilder.

Ortiz was the bogeyman of the division whom many saw as the uncrowned champion, yet he was downed by Wilder.

Wilder is crude & awkward, but he has a massive heart, great stamina & he's dangerous for a whole fight, unlike many more celebrated KO artists from the past.

He brings colour to the HW division & he's the perfect foil to the humble & nice Anthony Joshua.

A fight between those 2 is a must in 2018, presumably if Joshua takes care of Parker without controversy.

They way the 2 of them have performed their last respective fights, a fight between them could end up being a modern day Foreman V Lyle.

He scraped a win, thanks mostly to his chin.

In a fight with Joshua it'll come down to who lands big first.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 18:58 He scraped a win, thanks mostly to his chin.

I don't know why everybody is saying he showed a great chin. I mean he was hurt as f*ck He showed a lot of heart though, and was smart to hold in order to survive the situation.

If he had been that badly hurt earlier in the round I doubt he could've survived, but last night showed beyond any doubt that until you got Wilder outta there you're never safe because he's gonna be there, and he's gonna be throwing with KO force, and if he hurts you or sees you buckle he attacks with a ferocity that most fighters can't match...even if he does get a little wild sometimes when going for the kill.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 18:58 He scraped a win, thanks mostly to his chin.

But you have to give him credit for that, because had he not survived & gone onto win (in such an emphatic way), folk would have destroyed him for it.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 07:17 After having 40 bouts, it's nothing really that impressive to beat such a level of opponent because that's expected from a 32 year old title holder.

And Luis Ortiz really isn't as good as some made him out to be. He isn't any better than Jarrell Miller, Kubrat Pulev or even Johan Duhapas.

And I hope Alexander Povetkin doesn't even think about fighting any of those guys. Especially Anthony Joshua because it'd just be cruel, disgusting and a gruesome mismatch against Povetkin who is going to probably sacrifice years from his life, just for a payday. He is physically too weak and small to be anything more than a minor nuisance.

I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome.

Putting Povetkin against the likes of Joshua is as cruel as animal torture or torturing a human by tying them up. It's against human rights! The poor, hopeless guy shouldn't even be allowed to compete in the heavyweight division.

Tell me. Do you already have an excuse lined up for when Povetkin knocks Price clear into the 22nd Century?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 19:07

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 18:58 He scraped a win, thanks mostly to his chin.

I don't know why everybody is saying he showed a great chin. I mean he was hurt as f*ck He showed a lot of heart though, and was smart to hold in order to survive the situation.

If he had been that badly hurt earlier in the round I doubt he could've survived, but last night showed beyond any doubt that until you got Wilder outta there you're never safe because he's gonna be there, and he's gonna be throwing with KO force, and if he hurts you or sees you buckle he attacks with a ferocity that most fighters can't match...even if he does get a little wild sometimes when going for the kill.

His chin is pretty good considering Oritz isn't a light hitter and he managed to not go down.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 06:54 To my surprise I've finally been proven wrong by Deontay, I didn't expected this fight to actually happen and even if it would happen, it wouldn't be in a fair way. I'm really glad that I've finally been proven wrong. For me, it was an awesome fight to see, I had to stay awake all the way till 05:00 in the morning and despite I'm tired as hell right now, it was worth it for me.
I never stayed awake for any Wilder fight before and I hated the guy for never facing serious competition, somehow now he finally did and on top of that won the fight in a fair way.
I actually expected Wilder to lose this fight, but instead he took the beat, kept standing and eventually KOed Ortiz.

For me, Wilder is now finally a real top 3 guy, above Povetkin and with only Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury above him. I'd also have to say that I think Wilder earned a fight against either AJ or Tyson by this win. I expect AJ to fight Povetkin next, I think Tyson might become availeble soon.

I still don't have a clue why he refused to fight Dillian Whyte, especially since he could make about 5 mil (?) with it and on top of that, at least for the public, no serious excuses left for AJ to avoid the fight. In my opinion the Ortiz fight was a harder one, which generated less money, less credits afterwards and more risk. But whatever the case I'm happy the Ortiz fight happened.

Once again, congratz Deontay, you earned my respect!

It takes a big man to admit he was proven wrong and for that you have earned my respect as a boxing fan amigo.

I've had to do the same thing on numerous occasions so that makes me appreciate when someone else acknowledges their original assessment was mistaken.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 19:07

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 18:58 He scraped a win, thanks mostly to his chin.

I don't know why everybody is saying he showed a great chin. I mean he was hurt as f*ck He showed a lot of heart though, and was smart to hold in order to survive the situation.

If he had been that badly hurt earlier in the round I doubt he could've survived, but last night showed beyond any doubt that until you got Wilder outta there you're never safe because he's gonna be there, and he's gonna be throwing with KO force, and if he hurts you or sees you buckle he attacks with a ferocity that most fighters can't match...even if he does get a little wild sometimes when going for the kill.

I think he showed a pretty good chin, but he showed no defense particularly in the 7th round. Ortiz couldn't miss him. Yes he was hurt as f*ck but almost anyone would be (maybe Ali and Cobb excepted) after getting hit with all that.

It's like saying Marquez doesn't have a great chin because he was hurt and dropped by Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Katsidis.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 19:43

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 19:07

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 18:58 He scraped a win, thanks mostly to his chin.

I don't know why everybody is saying he showed a great chin. I mean he was hurt as f*ck He showed a lot of heart though, and was smart to hold in order to survive the situation.

If he had been that badly hurt earlier in the round I doubt he could've survived, but last night showed beyond any doubt that until you got Wilder outta there you're never safe because he's gonna be there, and he's gonna be throwing with KO force, and if he hurts you or sees you buckle he attacks with a ferocity that most fighters can't match...even if he does get a little wild sometimes when going for the kill.

His chin is pretty good considering Oritz isn't a light hitter and he managed to not go down.

True that. I give him credit for his chin, I was pleasantly surprised.
But- there were 2 occasions where he wobbles back into the ropes after taking a few big shots and kept upright because of the ropes. A couple of 8 counts might have actually helped him recover better without the ref stopping things for imaginary water on the canvas, or the doctor wanting to have a look at him.

Well done OP, good post, shame about the trolls inhabiting this forum, comparing Duhuapas to Ortiz

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 20:52

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 19:43

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 19:07

I don't know why everybody is saying he showed a great chin. I mean he was hurt as f*ck He showed a lot of heart though, and was smart to hold in order to survive the situation.

If he had been that badly hurt earlier in the round I doubt he could've survived, but last night showed beyond any doubt that until you got Wilder outta there you're never safe because he's gonna be there, and he's gonna be throwing with KO force, and if he hurts you or sees you buckle he attacks with a ferocity that most fighters can't match...even if he does get a little wild sometimes when going for the kill.

His chin is pretty good considering Oritz isn't a light hitter and he managed to not go down.

True that. I give him credit for his chin, I was pleasantly surprised.
But- there were 2 occasions where he wobbles back into the ropes after taking a few big shots and kept upright because of the ropes. A couple of 8 counts might have actually helped him recover better without the ref stopping things for imaginary water on the canvas, or the doctor wanting to have a look at him.

At worse, he would've went down once. I doubt he would've been stopped. Ortiz while sharp was careless or sloppy enough to get caught by counters in exchanges while Wilder was hurt.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 06:54 To my surprise I've finally been proven wrong by Deontay, I didn't expected this fight to actually happen and even if it would happen, it wouldn't be in a fair way. I'm really glad that I've finally been proven wrong. For me, it was an awesome fight to see, I had to stay awake all the way till 05:00 in the morning and despite I'm tired as hell right now, it was worth it for me.
I never stayed awake for any Wilder fight before and I hated the guy for never facing serious competition, somehow now he finally did and on top of that won the fight in a fair way.
I actually expected Wilder to lose this fight, but instead he took the beat, kept standing and eventually KOed Ortiz.

For me, Wilder is now finally a real top 3 guy, above Povetkin and with only Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury above him. I'd also have to say that I think Wilder earned a fight against either AJ or Tyson by this win. I expect AJ to fight Povetkin next, I think Tyson might become availeble soon.

I still don't have a clue why he refused to fight Dillian Whyte, especially since he could make about 5 mil (?) with it and on top of that, at least for the public, no serious excuses left for AJ to avoid the fight. In my opinion the Ortiz fight was a harder one, which generated less money, less credits afterwards and more risk. But whatever the case I'm happy the Ortiz fight happened.

Once again, congratz Deontay, you earned my respect!

Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.

MrGuy wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 03:27

asdfjkl wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 06:54 To my surprise I've finally been proven wrong by Deontay, I didn't expected this fight to actually happen and even if it would happen, it wouldn't be in a fair way. I'm really glad that I've finally been proven wrong. For me, it was an awesome fight to see, I had to stay awake all the way till 05:00 in the morning and despite I'm tired as hell right now, it was worth it for me.
I never stayed awake for any Wilder fight before and I hated the guy for never facing serious competition, somehow now he finally did and on top of that won the fight in a fair way.
I actually expected Wilder to lose this fight, but instead he took the beat, kept standing and eventually KOed Ortiz.

For me, Wilder is now finally a real top 3 guy, above Povetkin and with only Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury above him. I'd also have to say that I think Wilder earned a fight against either AJ or Tyson by this win. I expect AJ to fight Povetkin next, I think Tyson might become availeble soon.

I still don't have a clue why he refused to fight Dillian Whyte, especially since he could make about 5 mil (?) with it and on top of that, at least for the public, no serious excuses left for AJ to avoid the fight. In my opinion the Ortiz fight was a harder one, which generated less money, less credits afterwards and more risk. But whatever the case I'm happy the Ortiz fight happened.

Once again, congratz Deontay, you earned my respect!

Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.

By the time Wlad fought Fury at 39 and Joshua at 41 he was a shell of his former self.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 18:52 Wilder does deserve credit, that's for sure.

A lot of people have been slating this guy for years; some said he wouldn't fight Ortiz, even though he was going to fight him previously & the fight didn't happen because of Ortiz & not Wilder.

Ortiz was the bogeyman of the division whom many saw as the uncrowned champion, yet he was downed by Wilder.

Wilder is crude & awkward, but he has a massive heart, great stamina & he's dangerous for a whole fight, unlike many more celebrated KO artists from the past.

He brings colour to the HW division & he's the perfect foil to the humble & nice Anthony Joshua.

A fight between those 2 is a must in 2018, presumably if Joshua takes care of Parker without controversy.

They way the 2 of them have performed their last respective fights, a fight between them could end up being a modern day Foreman V Lyle.

Good post SE. Yes they have. I've been one of them. I criticized his weak resume and the fact that after three years he hadn't fought a top contender. Well now he has and my doubts have been assuaged. When he fights Joshua it will now be as an equal in terms of credibility as a champion, and not as an untested chancer looking for a final payday.

I hate all this disparaging of Klitschko and Ortiz. They may be getting on in years and past their best, but they came to fight and proved a tough test for the two champions.

TheGingerBomber wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 21:14 Well done OP, good post, shame about the trolls inhabiting this forum, comparing Duhuapas to Ortiz

- Johan Duhaupas lasted 11 rounds against Deontay Wilder. Luis Ortiz lasted only 10 rounds against Deontay Wilder.

- Johan Duhaupas didn't get dropped, even once by Deontay Wilder. Whilst Luis Ortiz was dropped like a glass chinned sack of potatoes, 4 times.

- Johan Duhaupas inflicted far greater visible damage upon Wilder's face than Luis Ortiz did. Judging by Wilder's face after he finished his fights against Ortiz and Duhaupas.

There's no contest! The underrated Johan Duhaupas did a much better job than the overrated Luis Ortiz did against Deontay Wilder.

Luis Ortiz is grossly overrated! What has he done to prove he is a better boxer than Johan Duhaupas? Beat Bryant Jennings that was coming off a loss to Wladimir Klitschko or beat an old, washed up Tony Thompson? HAHAHAHAHAHA lol

Duhaupas knocked Robert Helenius out cleanly. That's as good as anything the overrated Luis Ortiz has done in his pro career.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 19:31

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 07:17 After having 40 bouts, it's nothing really that impressive to beat such a level of opponent because that's expected from a 32 year old title holder.

And Luis Ortiz really isn't as good as some made him out to be. He isn't any better than Jarrell Miller, Kubrat Pulev or even Johan Duhapas.

And I hope Alexander Povetkin doesn't even think about fighting any of those guys. Especially Anthony Joshua because it'd just be cruel, disgusting and a gruesome mismatch against Povetkin who is going to probably sacrifice years from his life, just for a payday. He is physically too weak and small to be anything more than a minor nuisance.

I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome.

Putting Povetkin against the likes of Joshua is as cruel as animal torture or torturing a human by tying them up. It's against human rights! The poor, hopeless guy shouldn't even be allowed to compete in the heavyweight division.

Tell me. Do you already have an excuse lined up for when Povetkin knocks Price clear into the 22nd Century?

I can't see it happening, sorry! If David Price turns up in the condition and with the performance he has shown in his most recent bouts. Then Alexander Povetkin at best, has a chance of winning by TKO after forcing Price to become tired or relying on a corner stoppage. A clean knockout seems near impossible to me! Povetkin lacks the physical size, strength, muscular size and punching power in his weak looking and small frame to generate the power required to cleanly KO Price the way you're describing he would.

If Povetkin beats Price, it won't be evidence that a smaller heavyweight like Povetkin should be allowed to face super heavyweights or that small heavyweights vs modern super heavyweights isn't a mismatch. It would only mean that David Price isn't at his best and isn't fully prepared for the fight.

In almost no scenario, barring a huge upset, does Povetkin possibly ever beat David Price if he is fully prepared and is at peak condition and performance. The only reason why Povetkin could even win is because Price himself wouldn't be at the required condition and performance level. The winner of this match up is predicated more on David Price than on Alexander Povetkin. Povetkin needs to rely on Price not being at peak condition and performance level. If Price is at peak condition and performance level, then Povetkin has almost 0 chance of winning and gets squashed like a bug / an insect. Anthony Joshua would do the same thing.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:43

TheGingerBomber wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 21:14 Well done OP, good post, shame about the trolls inhabiting this forum, comparing Duhuapas to Ortiz

- Johan Duhaupas lasted 11 rounds against Deontay Wilder. Luis Ortiz lasted only 10 rounds against Deontay Wilder.

- Johan Duhaupas didn't get dropped, even once by Deontay Wilder. Whilst Luis Ortiz was dropped like a glass chinned sack of potatoes, 4 times.

- Johan Duhaupas inflicted far greater visible damage upon Wilder's face than Luis Ortiz did. Judging by Wilder's face after he finished his fights against Ortiz and Duhaupas.

There's no contest! The underrated Johan Duhaupas did a much better job than the overrated Luis Ortiz did against Deontay Wilder.

Luis Ortiz is grossly overrated! What has he done to prove he is a better boxer than Johan Duhaupas? Beat Bryant Jennings that was coming off a loss to Wladimir Klitschko or beat an old, washed up Tony Thompson? HAHAHAHAHAHA lol

Duhaupas knocked Robert Helenius out cleanly. That's as good as anything the overrated Luis Ortiz has done in his pro career.

Ortiz won 4 (at worst) to 7 (at best) rounds against Wilder, Duhaupas won no more than 1 round. Wilder was far less catious against Duhaupas, because he knew Johann doesn't have the power to hurt him (unlike Ortiz). Duhaupas landed his best punches against Wilder and never was able to hurt him even slightly, while Ortiz put Wilder on the verge of stoppage in round 7.

MrGuy wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 03:27

asdfjkl wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 06:54 To my surprise I've finally been proven wrong by Deontay, I didn't expected this fight to actually happen and even if it would happen, it wouldn't be in a fair way. I'm really glad that I've finally been proven wrong. For me, it was an awesome fight to see, I had to stay awake all the way till 05:00 in the morning and despite I'm tired as hell right now, it was worth it for me.
I never stayed awake for any Wilder fight before and I hated the guy for never facing serious competition, somehow now he finally did and on top of that won the fight in a fair way.
I actually expected Wilder to lose this fight, but instead he took the beat, kept standing and eventually KOed Ortiz.

For me, Wilder is now finally a real top 3 guy, above Povetkin and with only Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury above him. I'd also have to say that I think Wilder earned a fight against either AJ or Tyson by this win. I expect AJ to fight Povetkin next, I think Tyson might become availeble soon.

I still don't have a clue why he refused to fight Dillian Whyte, especially since he could make about 5 mil (?) with it and on top of that, at least for the public, no serious excuses left for AJ to avoid the fight. In my opinion the Ortiz fight was a harder one, which generated less money, less credits afterwards and more risk. But whatever the case I'm happy the Ortiz fight happened.

Once again, congratz Deontay, you earned my respect!

Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.

Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:48

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 08:43

TheGingerBomber wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 21:14 Well done OP, good post, shame about the trolls inhabiting this forum, comparing Duhuapas to Ortiz

- Johan Duhaupas lasted 11 rounds against Deontay Wilder. Luis Ortiz lasted only 10 rounds against Deontay Wilder.

- Johan Duhaupas didn't get dropped, even once by Deontay Wilder. Whilst Luis Ortiz was dropped like a glass chinned sack of potatoes, 4 times.

- Johan Duhaupas inflicted far greater visible damage upon Wilder's face than Luis Ortiz did. Judging by Wilder's face after he finished his fights against Ortiz and Duhaupas.

There's no contest! The underrated Johan Duhaupas did a much better job than the overrated Luis Ortiz did against Deontay Wilder.

Luis Ortiz is grossly overrated! What has he done to prove he is a better boxer than Johan Duhaupas? Beat Bryant Jennings that was coming off a loss to Wladimir Klitschko or beat an old, washed up Tony Thompson? HAHAHAHAHAHA lol

Duhaupas knocked Robert Helenius out cleanly. That's as good as anything the overrated Luis Ortiz has done in his pro career.

Ortiz won 4 (at worst) to 7 (at best) rounds against Wilder, Duhaupas won no more than 1 round. Wilder was far less catious against Duhaupas, because he knew Johann doesn't have the power to hurt him (unlike Ortiz). Duhaupas landed his best punches against Wilder and never was able to hurt him even slightly, while Ortiz put Wilder on the verge of stoppage in round 7.

Not really! That fight was dead even at the time of the stoppage and it was stopped with a premature stoppage. If you want to claim Duhaupas couldn't hurt Wilder, then the same applies the other way too. Wilder couldn't even drop Duhaupas after 11 rounds of landing flush power punches, including his windmill power right hands. Duhaupas messed up Wilder's face badly. Ortiz was barely landing anything effective on Wilder in any other round, apart from the 7th round.

Luis Ortiz has a glass chin. He couldn't even handle a few of Wilder's right hands and was wobbling like a sack of potato. Meanwhile, Duhaupas walked through pretty much everything Wilder has to offer.

Duhaupas won way more than 3 rounds. Landing a few punches whilst backing up and whilst also getting your faced marked up doesn't equate to indisputably winning a round.

The height, color, style and generation are all different but Wilder does have some things in common with Rocky Marciano. An undefeated record against limited opposition and they both lose rounds but pull out a victory.

The was Wilder's first win against a top 5 guy.