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oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

IRLangmaid25 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

Height and reach I would say Lennox Lewis, the way he is physically defined Bruno.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:35

IRLangmaid25 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

Height and reach I would say Lennox Lewis, the way he is physically defined Bruno.

I suspect chin wise he's Bruno.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:35

IRLangmaid25 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:32

Height and reach I would say Lennox Lewis, the way he is physically defined Bruno.

I suspect chin wise he's Bruno.

I don't think there was too much of a difference between Lewis' and Bruno's chins, but Lennox had much better recuperative ability.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:35

IRLangmaid25 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

Height and reach I would say Lennox Lewis, the way he is physically defined Bruno.

I suspect chin wise he's Bruno.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:20

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:35

IRLangmaid25 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:32

Height and reach I would say Lennox Lewis, the way he is physically defined Bruno.

I suspect chin wise he's Bruno.

Nothing wrong with Bruno's chin; in fact, I'd go as far as to say he had a tremendous chin.

Bruno's failings were lack of speed, mobility & stamina.

He also lacked the ability to improvise under pressure & that's what led to his defeats.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:22

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

I’d say Joshua is somewhere between the two but closer to Bruno than Lennox.

Cagey and highly skilled needs to be replaced with slow, one paced and past his best when describing Ortiz by the way.

Joshua v Wilder has potential for plenty of excitement. Just hope it actually happens!

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:24

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:22

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

I’d say Joshua is somewhere between the two but closer to Bruno than Lennox.

Cagey and highly skilled needs to be replaced with slow, one paced and past his best when describing Ortiz by the way.

Joshua v Wilder has potential for plenty of excitement. Just hope it actually happens!

Respect your point and agree we need AJ/Wilder already.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:25

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:24

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:22

I’d say Joshua is somewhere between the two but closer to Bruno than Lennox.

Cagey and highly skilled needs to be replaced with slow, one paced and past his best when describing Ortiz by the way.

Joshua v Wilder has potential for plenty of excitement. Just hope it actually happens!

Respect your point and agree we need AJ/Wilder already.

I don't look for it to happen until next year at the earliest. Ideally it'd happen toward the end of this year, but things seldom work that way in this sport.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:31

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

He is neither Lennox Lewis nor Frank Bruno. He has completely different style comparing to Lewis and is more skilled and less stiff than Bruno. I think Lewis had better stamina, but AJ carries his power late better than Lewis who never stopped anyone if the fight went past 8 rounds. Lennox had better jab, not neccesarily harder, but more precious one. Also Lennox had better footwork and footspeed. But I think current Joshua is better than pre-Steward Lewis was. I'm pretty sure that current version of Joshua would demolish Phil Jackson in 1-2 rounds and wouldn't let Frank Bruno to outbox him for the first 6 rounds.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:33

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:31

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

He is neither Lennox Lewis nor Frank Bruno. He has completely different style comparing to Lewis and is more skilled and less stiff than Bruno. I think Lewis had better stamina, but AJ carries his power late better than Lewis who never stopped anyone if the fight went past 8 rounds. Lennox had better jab, not neccesarily harder, but more precious one. Also Lennox had better footwork and footspeed. But I think current Joshua is better than pre-Steward Lewis was. I'm pretty sure that current version of Joshua would demolish Phil Jackson in 1-2 rounds and wouldn't let Frank Bruno to outbox him for the first 6 rounds.

I don't think Lewis' power diminished late he was just patient enough to stay focused on simply outboxing a guy and winning that way rather than going for a KO.

Takam should've went the distance with AJ, he wasn't hurt at the time of the stoppage.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:33

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:31

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:25 We know AJ is good, but we do not know how good (or bad). While the Klitchko (sp?) fight was a great fight, Vlad has seen better days and has always had a suspect chin. While Deontay KO'd a cagey, highly skilled Ortiz with a granite chin.

Styles make fights, and Wilder v. AJ would provide real excitement. But to hear all the opinions on AJ being amongst the greatest of all-time is not only premature, but incredibly unfair to AJ at this time.

He is neither Lennox Lewis nor Frank Bruno. He has completely different style comparing to Lewis and is more skilled and less stiff than Bruno. I think Lewis had better stamina, but AJ carries his power late better than Lewis who never stopped anyone if the fight went past 8 rounds. Lennox had better jab, not neccesarily harder, but more precious one. Also Lennox had better footwork and footspeed. But I think current Joshua is better than pre-Steward Lewis was. I'm pretty sure that current version of Joshua would demolish Phil Jackson in 1-2 rounds and wouldn't let Frank Bruno to outbox him for the first 6 rounds.

I don't think Lewis' power diminished late he was just patient enough to stay focused on simply outboxing a guy and winning that way rather than going for a KO.

Takam should've went the distance with AJ, he wasn't hurt at the time of the stoppage.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:47 What the hell is that supposed to mean? You thought Takam was badly hurt and needed to be saved by the ref? Because if so you'd be about the only one.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:48

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:47 What the hell is that supposed to mean? You thought Takam was badly hurt and needed to be saved by the ref? Because if so you'd be about the only one.

If you're asking me it means I agreed with you.

Mimmy wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:50 AJ is certainly Bruno but I think its because of the muscle mass. Bruno was very robotic and to be honest I just think its the way they are built it terms of muscle. I just dont think their bodys were designed to be boxers the way they were built. I dont think they can maneuver the way other heavyweights can. I simply beleive its body muscle thats the issue.

Mimmy wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:50 AJ is certainly Bruno but I think its because of the muscle mass. Bruno was very robotic and to be honest I just think its the way they are built it terms of muscle. I just dont think their bodys were designed to be boxers the way they were built. I dont think they can maneuver the way other heavyweights can. I simply beleive its body muscle thats the issue.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:56

Mimmy wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:50 AJ is certainly Bruno but I think its because of the muscle mass. Bruno was very robotic and to be honest I just think its the way they are built it terms of muscle. I just dont think their bodys were designed to be boxers the way they were built. I dont think they can maneuver the way other heavyweights can. I simply beleive its body muscle thats the issue.

Joshua is certainly becoming Brunoesque in stature.

The last time out, he was 254lbs which is about 10lbs more than he usually comes in at.

I don't know why Joshua feels he needs to weigh any more, as he was pretty huge to begin with.

Mimmy wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 16:02 I just dont think the human body can move with all that tight muscle, and it must be tight because there is far more muscle than the body needs.

I'm going to ask a physiotherapist when im back at work next week.