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Just thinking uploud-)

In couple of years, DW will be 34-35 yo and will lose athletizm and speed. He never had technique to hold him till late 30thies, like Klitchko or Ortiz...so why risking now???

He can wait talking about negotiations and how gready DW...waist 2-3 years...and when take on declined, but still named Wilder...while AJ, 31yo - at his peak-(((

So, if Hearn thinks the same - AJ vs Wilder, Y2021....

Wilder recently said he wouldn't decline any time soon, so if it was up to Wilder, he can wait like 5 years at least.
If Wilder is now scared all of a sudden anyway, then I can understand why he waited to long, ignored Klitschko completely, avoided Povetkin and even delayed as much time as possible with Ortiz.

bigman1968 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 05:32 Just thinking uploud-)

In couple of years, DW will be 34-35 yo and will lose athletizm and speed. He never had technique to hold him till late 30thies, like Klitchko or Ortiz...so why risking now???

He can wait talking about negotiations and how gready DW...waist 2-3 years...and when take on declined, but still named Wilder...while AJ, 31yo - at his peak-(((

So, if Hearn thinks the same - AJ vs Wilder, Y2021....

Wilder earns $2 million per fight, Joshua $22 million per fight.

Wilder wants 50/50.

But it's Joshua who is being greedy

asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 07:03 Wilder recently said he wouldn't decline any time soon, so if it was up to Wilder, he can wait like 5 years at least.
If Wilder is now scared all of a sudden anyway, then I can understand why he waited to long, ignored Klitschko completely, avoided Povetkin and even delayed as much time as possible with Ortiz.

Avoided Povetkin?!?

Wilder was actually in Europe getting acclimated to fight on Povetkin's turf when it was announced PEDvetkin failed his drug test:

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/1 ... -drug-test

May 16, 2016

Wilder and his team have been in Sheffield, England, for the past two weeks training and adjusting to several hours of time difference. They were scheduled to fly to Moscow on Sunday afternoon but did not board their flight and were making plans to return to the United States despite having not heard from the WBC on the matter, a member of Wilder's team told ESPN.com.

Wilder, who embraced going to foreign territory to defend his title, was upset that the fight was called off.

"I'm very disappointed that due to Povetkin's failed drug test the fight is not going to happen on May 21 in Moscow," Wilder said in a statement. "I had worked very hard to prepare myself for this important title defense, spending the last two weeks training in England to get accustomed to fighting in Europe. I wanted to give the fans a great show, but we understand the WBC's position that the fight occur on an even playing field

Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 18:46

asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 07:03 Wilder recently said he wouldn't decline any time soon, so if it was up to Wilder, he can wait like 5 years at least.
If Wilder is now scared all of a sudden anyway, then I can understand why he waited to long, ignored Klitschko completely, avoided Povetkin and even delayed as much time as possible with Ortiz.

Avoided Povetkin?!?

Wilder was actually in Europe getting acclimated to fight on Povetkin's turf when it was announced PEDvetkin failed his drug test:

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/1 ... -drug-test

May 16, 2016

Wilder and his team have been in Sheffield, England, for the past two weeks training and adjusting to several hours of time difference. They were scheduled to fly to Moscow on Sunday afternoon but did not board their flight and were making plans to return to the United States despite having not heard from the WBC on the matter, a member of Wilder's team told ESPN.com.

Wilder, who embraced going to foreign territory to defend his title, was upset that the fight was called off.

"I'm very disappointed that due to Povetkin's failed drug test the fight is not going to happen on May 21 in Moscow," Wilder said in a statement. "I had worked very hard to prepare myself for this important title defense, spending the last two weeks training in England to get accustomed to fighting in Europe. I wanted to give the fans a great show, but we understand the WBC's position that the fight occur on an even playing field

Best Coast.

Ignore that boy. He admits he's not a boxing fan.

Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 18:46
Wilder was actually in Europe getting acclimated to fight on Povetkin's turf when it was announced PEDvetkin failed his drug test:

Stop putting out that LIE..... Povetkin NEVER failed a drug test for Wilder.... Which both the WBC and VADA admitted.

The WBC said they wanted to investigate a drug test that Povetkin PASSED!!!! .... It took them many months to issue their "report" in which they exonerated Povetkin completely.... That report could easily have been issued in a week... or in less time than that... The fight could have been saved... That wasn't their objective... They wanted to destroy the promotion and prevent Russian promoters from bidding on future World Heavyweight Title Fights.

So they took their sweet time issuing their report -- and by that time they were able to destroy the promotion -- which was their agenda to begin with... Wilder KNEW there was going to be NO fight... That's why Wilder never showed up in Moscow to help with the promotion doing local interviews.... Why should he when there was going to be no fight???

BTW.... VADA and the WBC NEVER said Povetkin failed a drug test.... By innuendo they implied that he failed a test.... They never corrected anyone who misinterpreted their remarks... They said "Povetkin tested positive for Meldonium after testing clear." They never said his concentration for Meldonium was 1/14th an amount that would easily pass the test... They soon found out (they already knew) that different levels of hydration would make you clear one day and "positive" for a minute amount the next day... They never told anyone that Povetkin passed or failed that test... They wanted everyone to assume he failed the test -- which most people did.

Kalan wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 19:35

Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 18:46
Wilder was actually in Europe getting acclimated to fight on Povetkin's turf when it was announced PEDvetkin failed his drug test:

Stop putting out that LIE..... Povetkin NEVER failed a drug test for Wilder.... Which both the WBC and VADA admitted.

The WBC said they wanted to investigate a drug test that Povetkin PASSED!!!! .... It took them many months to issue their "report" in which they exonerated Povetkin completely.... That report could easily have been issued in a week... or in less time than that... The fight could have been saved... That wasn't their objective... They wanted to destroy the promotion and prevent Russian promoters from bidding on future World Heavyweight Title Fights.

So they took their sweet time issuing their report -- and by that time they were able to destroy the promotion -- which was their agenda to begin with... Wilder KNEW there was going to be NO fight... That's why Wilder never showed up in Moscow to help with the promotion doing local interviews.... Why should he when there was going to be no fight???

Can you please answer if he passed every test. Why he served a suspension until December and paid a 250,000 fine

He knew the only way he could ever fight Wilder is by playing their perverted games.... It's like a lawyer suing a corporation who's in the right.... they pay him a settlement to make him go away because it's cheaper than preparing their case and going to court.... Sometimes you have to do business with the devil...

This time it didn't work.... But if they learned to speak English and hired better lawyers (honest ones) they would have won.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 19:43

Kalan wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 19:35

Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 18:46
Wilder was actually in Europe getting acclimated to fight on Povetkin's turf when it was announced PEDvetkin failed his drug test:

Stop putting out that LIE..... Povetkin NEVER failed a drug test for Wilder.... Which both the WBC and VADA admitted.

The WBC said they wanted to investigate a drug test that Povetkin PASSED!!!! .... It took them many months to issue their "report" in which they exonerated Povetkin completely.... That report could easily have been issued in a week... or in less time than that... The fight could have been saved... That wasn't their objective... They wanted to destroy the promotion and prevent Russian promoters from bidding on future World Heavyweight Title Fights.

So they took their sweet time issuing their report -- and by that time they were able to destroy the promotion -- which was their agenda to begin with... Wilder KNEW there was going to be NO fight... That's why Wilder never showed up in Moscow to help with the promotion doing local interviews.... Why should he when there was going to be no fight???

Can you please answer if he passed every test. Why he served a suspension until December and paid a 250,000 fine

You dont quote any of the article linked here & conveniently left out the part about Wilder already being in Europe getting acclimated 5 DAYS before the fight.:

May 16, 2016

Wilder and his team have been in Sheffield, England, for the past two weeks training and adjusting to several hours of time difference. They were scheduled to fly to Moscow on Sunday afternoon but did not board their flight and were making plans to return to the United States despite having not heard from the WBC on the matter, a member of Wilder's team told ESPN.com.

Wilder, who embraced going to foreign territory to defend his title, was upset that the fight was called off.

"I'm very disappointed that due to Povetkin's failed drug test the fight is not going to happen on May 21 in Moscow," Wilder said in a statement. "I had worked very hard to prepare myself for this important title defense, spending the last two weeks training in England to get accustomed to fighting in Europe. I wanted to give the fans a great show, but we understand the WBC's position that the fight occur on an even playing field.

So you're claiming that the whole Europe trip was a ruse? They wasted all that time & money in some sort of grand "conspiracy" with VADA!!

Feel free to provide a link/article for that line of bullcrap.

Kalan wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 19:49 He knew the only way he could ever fight Wilder is by playing their perverted games.... It's like a lawyer suing a corporation who's in the right.... they pay him a settlement to make him go away because it's cheaper than preparing their case and going to court.... Sometimes you have to do business with the devil...

This time it didn't work.... But if they learned to speak English and hired better lawyers (honest ones) they would have won.

So I he was suspended and paid a quarter million dollars in fines. Even though you claim the wbc admits he did nothing wrong?

Taansend wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 10:03

bigman1968 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 05:32 Just thinking uploud-)

In couple of years, DW will be 34-35 yo and will lose athletizm and speed. He never had technique to hold him till late 30thies, like Klitchko or Ortiz...so why risking now???

He can wait talking about negotiations and how gready DW...waist 2-3 years...and when take on declined, but still named Wilder...while AJ, 31yo - at his peak-(((

So, if Hearn thinks the same - AJ vs Wilder, Y2021....

Wilder earns $2 million per fight, Joshua $22 million per fight.

Wilder wants 50/50.

But it's Joshua who is being greedy

Here we go ...........If Wilder was the pommy fighter he would be the cash cow that's a fact the poms think they own the Heavyweight Title because of Tyson Fury and AJ AND Mr Hearn that's a fact this fight should be made asap and who ever made what should have nothing to do with UNIFYING THE HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE STOP CHEATING THE FAN'S

ClivePatrickLyons wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 21:56

Taansend wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 10:03

bigman1968 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 05:32 Just thinking uploud-)

In couple of years, DW will be 34-35 yo and will lose athletizm and speed. He never had technique to hold him till late 30thies, like Klitchko or Ortiz...so why risking now???

He can wait talking about negotiations and how gready DW...waist 2-3 years...and when take on declined, but still named Wilder...while AJ, 31yo - at his peak-(((

So, if Hearn thinks the same - AJ vs Wilder, Y2021....

Wilder earns $2 million per fight, Joshua $22 million per fight.

Wilder wants 50/50.

But it's Joshua who is being greedy

Here we go ...........If Wilder was the pommy fighter he would be the cash cow that's a fact the poms think they own the Heavyweight Title because of Tyson Fury and AJ AND Mr Hearn that's a fact this fight should be made asap and who ever made what should have nothing to do with UNIFYING THE HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE STOP CHEATING THE FAN'S

Australia is the best country in the world & I F*CKING LOVE Aussies but 5%/10% of Australians are the most pathetic whinging c*nts on the planet,

My proper Aussie mates know & acknowledge this & the Boy Clive is a right embodiment of this

Clive, you are an embarrassment to the brilliant people of Australia, you sad, petty boy

All the best, Mate

Taansend wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 23:31

ClivePatrickLyons wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 21:56

Taansend wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 10:03

Wilder earns $2 million per fight, Joshua $22 million per fight.

Wilder wants 50/50.

But it's Joshua who is being greedy

Here we go ...........If Wilder was the pommy fighter he would be the cash cow that's a fact the poms think they own the Heavyweight Title because of Tyson Fury and AJ AND Mr Hearn that's a fact this fight should be made asap and who ever made what should have nothing to do with UNIFYING THE HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE STOP CHEATING THE FAN'S

Australia is the best country in the world & I F*CKING LOVE Aussies but 5%/10% of Australians are the most pathetic whinging c*nts on the planet,

My proper Aussie mates know & acknowledge this & the Boy Clive is a right embodiment of this

Clive, you are an embarrassment to the brilliant people of Australia, you sad, petty boy


All the best, Mate

YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF AN IDIOT WHINGING C.NTS WHERE DID THAT COME FROM OUTA YOUR BACK PASSAGE

Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 18:46

asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 07:03 Wilder recently said he wouldn't decline any time soon, so if it was up to Wilder, he can wait like 5 years at least.
If Wilder is now scared all of a sudden anyway, then I can understand why he waited to long, ignored Klitschko completely, avoided Povetkin and even delayed as much time as possible with Ortiz.

Avoided Povetkin?!?

Wilder was actually in Europe getting acclimated to fight on Povetkin's turf when it was announced PEDvetkin failed his drug test:

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/1 ... -drug-test

May 16, 2016

Wilder and his team have been in Sheffield, England, for the past two weeks training and adjusting to several hours of time difference. They were scheduled to fly to Moscow on Sunday afternoon but did not board their flight and were making plans to return to the United States despite having not heard from the WBC on the matter, a member of Wilder's team told ESPN.com.

Wilder, who embraced going to foreign territory to defend his title, was upset that the fight was called off.

"I'm very disappointed that due to Povetkin's failed drug test the fight is not going to happen on May 21 in Moscow," Wilder said in a statement. "I had worked very hard to prepare myself for this important title defense, spending the last two weeks training in England to get accustomed to fighting in Europe. I wanted to give the fans a great show, but we understand the WBC's position that the fight occur on an even playing field

Acclimating? He was celebrating holiday in the UK, 5000 miles away from Moscow lol, he couldn't even show fly tickets, for the simple reason that he didn't have them.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 07:24

Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 18:46

asdfjkl wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 07:03 Wilder recently said he wouldn't decline any time soon, so if it was up to Wilder, he can wait like 5 years at least.
If Wilder is now scared all of a sudden anyway, then I can understand why he waited to long, ignored Klitschko completely, avoided Povetkin and even delayed as much time as possible with Ortiz.

Avoided Povetkin?!?

Wilder was actually in Europe getting acclimated to fight on Povetkin's turf when it was announced PEDvetkin failed his drug test:

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/1 ... -drug-test

May 16, 2016

Wilder and his team have been in Sheffield, England, for the past two weeks training and adjusting to several hours of time difference. They were scheduled to fly to Moscow on Sunday afternoon but did not board their flight and were making plans to return to the United States despite having not heard from the WBC on the matter, a member of Wilder's team told ESPN.com.

Wilder, who embraced going to foreign territory to defend his title, was upset that the fight was called off.

"I'm very disappointed that due to Povetkin's failed drug test the fight is not going to happen on May 21 in Moscow," Wilder said in a statement. "I had worked very hard to prepare myself for this important title defense, spending the last two weeks training in England to get accustomed to fighting in Europe. I wanted to give the fans a great show, but we understand the WBC's position that the fight occur on an even playing field

Acclimating? He was celebrating holiday in the UK, 5000 miles away from Moscow lol, he couldn't even show fly tickets, for the simple reason that he didn't have them.

How do you know he didn't have tickets?
Who shows their tickets? Come on this is ignorant

Taansend wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 10:03

bigman1968 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 05:32 Just thinking uploud-)

In couple of years, DW will be 34-35 yo and will lose athletizm and speed. He never had technique to hold him till late 30thies, like Klitchko or Ortiz...so why risking now???

He can wait talking about negotiations and how gready DW...waist 2-3 years...and when take on declined, but still named Wilder...while AJ, 31yo - at his peak-(((

So, if Hearn thinks the same - AJ vs Wilder, Y2021....

Wilder earns $2 million per fight, Joshua $22 million per fight.

Wilder wants 50/50.

But it's Joshua who is being greedy

For real? Are those numbers accurate? I knew that there was a significant difference but man, that is crazy. I don't blame AJ and Hearn for telling him to go screw. Now i know why Hearn used that hilarious line regarding Whyte/Wilder fight "Wilder want's $7m, yeah and I want a 11" penis but there's no chance".

In my opinion though, I feel that the fight will happen at the end of this year or early next. If AJ does his job next weekend then I think that A Wilder/AJ fight will be ripe enough to justify making it. It should obviously be in England and it should be the top grossing fight of the year or top 2. Possible rematch to parlay it.

The thing that I wouldn't do if i'm Hearn is wait too long because one of these guys will end up losing unexpectedly somehow and they will leave a ton of dough on the table. Wilder and AJ are beatable in a division where one punch is all you need with that kind of weight behind it. They'd be crazy not to make this fight next IMO. Wilder just needs to be realistic with earnings for the first one. He wins this one and he can be on top of the world.

Too much energy waisted so far!

caldo2025 wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 08:58

Taansend wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 10:03

bigman1968 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 05:32 Just thinking uploud-)

In couple of years, DW will be 34-35 yo and will lose athletizm and speed. He never had technique to hold him till late 30thies, like Klitchko or Ortiz...so why risking now???

He can wait talking about negotiations and how gready DW...waist 2-3 years...and when take on declined, but still named Wilder...while AJ, 31yo - at his peak-(((

So, if Hearn thinks the same - AJ vs Wilder, Y2021....

Wilder earns $2 million per fight, Joshua $22 million per fight.

Wilder wants 50/50.

But it's Joshua who is being greedy

For real? Are those numbers accurate? I knew that there was a significant difference but man, that is crazy. I don't blame AJ and Hearn for telling him to go screw. Now i know why Hearn used that hilarious line regarding Whyte/Wilder fight "Wilder want's $7m, yeah and I want a 11" penis but there's no chance".

In my opinion though, I feel that the fight will happen at the end of this year or early next. If AJ does his job next weekend then I think that A Wilder/AJ fight will be ripe enough to justify making it. It should obviously be in England and it should be the top grossing fight of the year or top 2. Possible rematch to parlay it.

The thing that I wouldn't do if i'm Hearn is wait too long because one of these guys will end up losing unexpectedly somehow and they will leave a ton of dough on the table. Wilder and AJ are beatable in a division where one punch is all you need with that kind of weight behind it. They'd be crazy not to make this fight next IMO. Wilder just needs to be realistic with earnings for the first one. He wins this one and he can be on top of the world.

The Jashua vs Parker fight purse
Joshua 13 million pounds
Parker 7 million pounds


65/35 purse split.
Anyone who thinks Wilder does not bring more to the table is insane.
60/40 or 55/45 is a fair split

tiny_acres wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 10:17

caldo2025 wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 08:58

Taansend wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 10:03

Wilder earns $2 million per fight, Joshua $22 million per fight.

Wilder wants 50/50.

But it's Joshua who is being greedy

For real? Are those numbers accurate? I knew that there was a significant difference but man, that is crazy. I don't blame AJ and Hearn for telling him to go screw. Now i know why Hearn used that hilarious line regarding Whyte/Wilder fight "Wilder want's $7m, yeah and I want a 11" penis but there's no chance".

In my opinion though, I feel that the fight will happen at the end of this year or early next. If AJ does his job next weekend then I think that A Wilder/AJ fight will be ripe enough to justify making it. It should obviously be in England and it should be the top grossing fight of the year or top 2. Possible rematch to parlay it.

The thing that I wouldn't do if i'm Hearn is wait too long because one of these guys will end up losing unexpectedly somehow and they will leave a ton of dough on the table. Wilder and AJ are beatable in a division where one punch is all you need with that kind of weight behind it. They'd be crazy not to make this fight next IMO. Wilder just needs to be realistic with earnings for the first one. He wins this one and he can be on top of the world.

The Jashua vs Parker fight purse
Joshua 13 million pounds
Parker 7 million pounds


65/35 purse split.
Anyone who thinks Wilder does not bring more to the table is insane.
60/40 or 55/45 is a fair split

Parker isn't worth that split. He's less of a draw than if AJ fought a can of coke. The only reason he got that was refusal to go lower and AJ/Hearn desperately want to unify as it puts them in better future bargaining positions

I think it’s more of a commercial question, related to economics, rather than worthiness (measured in sporting terms) deemed by hardcore boxing aficionados.

I mean, prior to last weekend’s bout against Luis Ortiz, Deontay Wilder’s career-high purse was only $1.5m (USD).

Joseph Parker earned $1.53m (USD) for his WBO title defence against Hughie Fury.

The size of fighters purses are important, because they’re usually in line with the amount of revenue being generated for the staging of their bouts.

Assuming AJ successfully defeats the Kiwi in his very next outing, the Brit will own three of the four main world titles that are available and it’ll also be his celebrity and fan-base alone funding the vast majority of a potential Joshua-Wilder super-fight.

For sure, if ‘The Bronze Bomber’ can eventually become a popular fighter in his home country, to the point he’s considered a big enough draw for his bouts to become PPV events televised by Showtime, then perhaps he can negotiate better terms, but he’s not there at the moment.

In fact, I find it very interesting to hear Shelly Finkel complaining about Eddie Hearn not offering terms for a potential bout between Joshua-Wilder, when nobody from Deontay’s team have proposed offers to Matchroom either… and it’s because they can’t.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 10:46 I think it’s more of a commercial question, related to economics, rather than worthiness (measured in sporting terms) deemed by hardcore boxing aficionados.

I mean, prior to last weekend’s bout against Luis Ortiz, Deontay Wilder’s career-high purse was only $1.5m (USD).

Joseph Parker earned $1.53m (USD) for his WBO title defence against Hughie Fury.

The size of fighters purses are important, because they’re usually in line with the amount of revenue being generated for the staging of their bouts.

Assuming AJ successfully defeats the Kiwi in his very next outing, the Brit will own three of the four main world titles that are available and it’ll also be his celebrity and fan-base alone funding the vast majority of a potential Joshua-Wilder super-fight.

For sure, if ‘The Bronze Bomber’ can eventually become a popular fighter in his home country, to the point he’s considered a big enough draw for his bouts to become PPV events televised by Showtime, then perhaps he can negotiate better terms, but he’s not there at the moment.

In fact, I find it very interesting to hear Shelly Finkel complaining about Eddie Hearn not offering terms for a potential bout between Joshua-Wilder, when nobody from Deontay’s team have proposed offers to Matchroom either… and it’s because they can’t.

That's another misconception. The Fury family put the money up as they were so desperate to get Hughie a title shot. That fight flopped. It was on Youtube and hardly anyone watched it. Mick Hennessey lost a fortune on that

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 10:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 10:46 I think it’s more of a commercial question, related to economics, rather than worthiness (measured in sporting terms) deemed by hardcore boxing aficionados.

I mean, prior to last weekend’s bout against Luis Ortiz, Deontay Wilder’s career-high purse was only $1.5m (USD).

Joseph Parker earned $1.53m (USD) for his WBO title defence against Hughie Fury.

The size of fighters purses are important, because they’re usually in line with the amount of revenue being generated for the staging of their bouts.

Assuming AJ successfully defeats the Kiwi in his very next outing, the Brit will own three of the four main world titles that are available and it’ll also be his celebrity and fan-base alone funding the vast majority of a potential Joshua-Wilder super-fight.

For sure, if ‘The Bronze Bomber’ can eventually become a popular fighter in his home country, to the point he’s considered a big enough draw for his bouts to become PPV events televised by Showtime, then perhaps he can negotiate better terms, but he’s not there at the moment.

In fact, I find it very interesting to hear Shelly Finkel complaining about Eddie Hearn not offering terms for a potential bout between Joshua-Wilder, when nobody from Deontay’s team have proposed offers to Matchroom either… and it’s because they can’t.

That's another misconception. The Fury family put the money up as they were so desperate to get Hughie a title shot. That fight flopped. It was on Youtube and hardly anyone watched it. Mick Hennessey lost a fortune on that

Parker earned the same amount for the Andy Ruiz Jr. bout. It's his price tag.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 11:21

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 10:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 10:46 I think it’s more of a commercial question, related to economics, rather than worthiness (measured in sporting terms) deemed by hardcore boxing aficionados.

I mean, prior to last weekend’s bout against Luis Ortiz, Deontay Wilder’s career-high purse was only $1.5m (USD).

Joseph Parker earned $1.53m (USD) for his WBO title defence against Hughie Fury.

The size of fighters purses are important, because they’re usually in line with the amount of revenue being generated for the staging of their bouts.

Assuming AJ successfully defeats the Kiwi in his very next outing, the Brit will own three of the four main world titles that are available and it’ll also be his celebrity and fan-base alone funding the vast majority of a potential Joshua-Wilder super-fight.

For sure, if ‘The Bronze Bomber’ can eventually become a popular fighter in his home country, to the point he’s considered a big enough draw for his bouts to become PPV events televised by Showtime, then perhaps he can negotiate better terms, but he’s not there at the moment.

In fact, I find it very interesting to hear Shelly Finkel complaining about Eddie Hearn not offering terms for a potential bout between Joshua-Wilder, when nobody from Deontay’s team have proposed offers to Matchroom either… and it’s because they can’t.

That's another misconception. The Fury family put the money up as they were so desperate to get Hughie a title shot. That fight flopped. It was on Youtube and hardly anyone watched it. Mick Hennessey lost a fortune on that

Parker earned the same amount for the Andy Ruiz Jr. bout. It's his price tag.

That's my point though. Doesn't mean he's a draw or worthy of it... he's just greedy. He has zero UK draw at all

tiny_acres wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 10:17

caldo2025 wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 08:58

Taansend wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 10:03

Wilder earns $2 million per fight, Joshua $22 million per fight.

Wilder wants 50/50.

But it's Joshua who is being greedy

For real? Are those numbers accurate? I knew that there was a significant difference but man, that is crazy. I don't blame AJ and Hearn for telling him to go screw. Now i know why Hearn used that hilarious line regarding Whyte/Wilder fight "Wilder want's $7m, yeah and I want a 11" penis but there's no chance".

In my opinion though, I feel that the fight will happen at the end of this year or early next. If AJ does his job next weekend then I think that A Wilder/AJ fight will be ripe enough to justify making it. It should obviously be in England and it should be the top grossing fight of the year or top 2. Possible rematch to parlay it.

The thing that I wouldn't do if i'm Hearn is wait too long because one of these guys will end up losing unexpectedly somehow and they will leave a ton of dough on the table. Wilder and AJ are beatable in a division where one punch is all you need with that kind of weight behind it. They'd be crazy not to make this fight next IMO. Wilder just needs to be realistic with earnings for the first one. He wins this one and he can be on top of the world.

The Jashua vs Parker fight purse
Joshua 13 million pounds
Parker 7 million pounds


65/35 purse split.
Anyone who thinks Wilder does not bring more to the table is insane.
60/40 or 55/45 is a fair split

"Bringing more to the table" This statement, are you referring to ability? Or buzz? Because i think you are very wrong if it's the latter. I'm in the USA and on the East Coast and Deontay Wilder has very low publicity rating here. Casual fight fans MAY know about him but I think that only the die hard boxing fan in America know much about him. Too bad too because he's doing way more than i thought he would. I love the guys heart after seeing him almost out on his feet in a couple battles. He's got a special needs daughter that he's doing it all for and I think that's a pretty remarkable story and person personally.

But on Madison Avenue in NYC, Wilder is not anywhere close to any endorsement deals or contracts like other American athletes. Not even close. A victory over AJ in a packed house in England changes everything though. EVERYTHING.

I think Wilder should be smart and take what he can get and just earn it. With a win in that situation, it's a complete game changer in every way. Not many people have the option to have one fight determine so much so he's really stupid to decline the opportunity to have a shot at it.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 08:57

asdfjkl wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 07:24

Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 18:46
Avoided Povetkin?!?

Wilder was actually in Europe getting acclimated to fight on Povetkin's turf when it was announced PEDvetkin failed his drug test:

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/1 ... -drug-test

Acclimating? He was celebrating holiday in the UK, 5000 miles away from Moscow lol, he couldn't even show fly tickets, for the simple reason that he didn't have them.

How do you know he didn't have tickets?
Who shows their tickets? Come on this is ignorant

This was the first thing that was asked, several times even, he could have proved that he wasn't planning this, but no, he actually never planned to go to Russia and this is even more evidence of it.