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Was Joe Louis really hit "after" the Bell ? (1936)

Posted: 10 Mar 2018, 15:12
by Caractacus
I was reading up on the first Scmeling/Louis fight in June 1936.
and where Joe Louis went wrong as far as being connected with right hands.
His corner told him after the fight it was a "Sunday Punch" in the second round
when things began downhill.
Louis said it was a right-hand near the end of the 4th round which he never really
recovered from for the rest of the fight that eventually had him loose by KO.
There was also a mention of a right-hand that landed after the bell rang to
end the fifth round,which Louis said made him really mad
and something he wanted to take revenger for in the re-match.
So did Max Scmeling actually land a right hand just a second after the bell finishined ringing ?
( either by accident or a cheap shot as some writers claimed that may have attributed greatly for Louis
being knocked out almost 7 rounds later ?
You decide.

Re: Was Joe Louis really hit "after" the Bell ? (1936)

Posted: 10 Mar 2018, 15:14
by gilgamesh
Even if Louis was hit after the bell, it's not the reason why he lost that fight that night. Schmeling just spotted a flaw in the young man's game and exploited it to the max until he finally stopped him.

Louis either corrected this flaw or attacked so ferociously that Schmeling never got the chance to take advantage in the rematch.

But Schmeling had an excellent game plan in Fight 1.

Re: Was Joe Louis really hit "after" the Bell ? (1936)

Posted: 10 Mar 2018, 15:48
by Caractacus
The punch that lands at 14:20 of this clip was the one that Louis said he was later angry over.
He had written in one of his autobiographies that he had dropped his guard when he heard the bell and that is why it landed.


Re: Was Joe Louis really hit "after" the Bell ? (1936)

Posted: 11 Mar 2018, 04:06
by Kalan
Caractacus wrote: 10 Mar 2018, 15:48 The punch that lands at 14:20 of this clip was the one that Louis said he was later angry over.
He had written in one of his autobiographies that he had dropped his guard when he heard the bell and that is why it landed.

I didn't hear any bell and his guard certainly wasn't dropped... He wasn't either... He was floored by really terrific right hands well before the bells ending the 4th and 12th I believe???... Schmeling should have gotten his shot at Braddock... That was the real injustice... Schmeling didn't get his crack at the Title and Louis got the next shot at Braddock.

Re: Was Joe Louis really hit "after" the Bell ? (1936)

Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 16:35
by Caractacus
well Joe Louis believed he was hit after the bell anyway.this is from his 1947 autobiography.
"Near the end of the Fifth,we were fighting near the corner.Scmeling started a right and the bell rang when his hand was in mid-air.As I turned around to go to my corner,I got smashed on the jaw.When I staggered back to my corner I didn't know where I was. My ears were ringing,and I didn't even know I knew who I was".

Re: Was Joe Louis really hit "after" the Bell ? (1936)

Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 16:59
by Caractacus
Joe Louis also wrote that a right-hand that Louis landed at the end of the sixth
(presumably the punch at 15:57 of the clip)
was the one he never recovered from as he staggered back to his corner and was in a fog clear up to the 12th round.

Re: Was Joe Louis really hit "after" the Bell ? (1936)

Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 01:47
by Kalan
Caractacus wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 16:35 well Joe Louis believed he was hit after the bell anyway.this is from his 1947 autobiography.
"Near the end of the Fifth,we were fighting near the corner.Scmeling started a right and the bell rang when his hand was in mid-air.As I turned around to go to my corner,I got smashed on the jaw.When I staggered back to my corner I didn't know where I was. My ears were ringing,and I didn't even know I knew who I was".
If a punch is in mid-air when the bell rings, you defend that punch.... It essentially lands at the same time as the bell rings cuz it gets there in a split instant... If a punch is screaming towards your jaw you don't think "Round's OVER" and ignore it.

EVERY experienced boxer knows that you even watch out for late punches thrown well AFTER the bell sounds... How many times do you hear the bell ring -- and one or both boxers throw punches AFTER the bell... If the boxers keep fighting after the bell the timekeeper will keep clanging the bell like crazy...

Riddick Bowe hit Jorge Luis Gonzalez with 4 or 5 hard punches several seconds AFTER the bell started clanging like a five alarm fire.... Robert Guerrero threw more than 20 punches at Andre Berto after the final bell started clanging away.... That's 2 reasons why you NEVER assume that punches will stop coming .... just because the round ended.

Re: Was Joe Louis really hit "after" the Bell ? (1936)

Posted: 13 Mar 2018, 11:50
by Caractacus
well that's what was written in the book. I found it rather difficult to fanthom too.
Maybe it was one of his co-writers (Chester L Washington or Haskell Cohen trying to make
an excuse for the loss.
I remember growing up back in the 1970's.The only film footage that you (the average Joe)could see of Joe Louis
was in the 1953 movie THE JOE LOUIS STORY
which the local TV stations use toair every now and then.
and In one scene ,some wanna Humphrey Bogart looking reporter dude asks Joe Louis (played by Coley Wallace)
if"
"That Punch that he (Schmeling) hit you with in the Fifth-THE FOUL-,was that the Big Punch ? .
(The dude blatenlly says that here at 36:44 of this clip)