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Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 07:59
by apollo creed
Let's face it Joshua is the man who brings big money and he has lots of options in UK and US plus the time is on his side. I think Wilder will have to wait some time till he gets AJ. Imagine Wilder getting back to 'the bum tourney' again and somehow one of those bums catch Wilder with a good one and then it's good night.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 08:29
by Deleted_Scenes
I think at most there will be one more fight each, before they fight each other.
Whatever gets said publicly, everyone knows (or should know) the real negotiations are done in private - and both sides know those negotiations won't start until Joshua beats Parker. No point. However unlikely it is, Parker might win. Then the time becomes wasted.
Everything we've seen said publicly, whichever side it's come from, is just about providing sound bites for the media to create a bit more hype. Shelley Finkle knows that, Lou DiBella knows that, Eddie Hearn knows that, Joshua and Wilder know that.
From Eddie Hearn's point of view, however little Wilder makes per fight, he still provides the biggest potential payday for Joshua (and for himself). He's not stupid. He knows with heavyweight being what it is, someone could KO Wilder (or Joshua) and take away that potential payday. He wants that fight. Joshua wants that fight.
Wilder stands to earn 5-10x more than he can make from any other fight. He wants that fight.
It might not be next, but I guarantee it happens before this time in 2019.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 09:03
by apollo creed
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 08:29
I think at most there will be one more fight each, before they fight each other.
Whatever gets said publicly, everyone knows (or should know) the real negotiations are done in private - and both sides know those negotiations won't start until Joshua beats Parker. No point. However unlikely it is, Parker might win. Then the time becomes wasted.
Everything we've seen said publicly, whichever side it's come from, is just about providing sound bites for the media to create a bit more hype. Shelley Finkle knows that, Lou DiBella knows that, Eddie Hearn knows that, Joshua and Wilder know that.
From Eddie Hearn's point of view, however little Wilder makes per fight, he still provides the biggest potential payday for Joshua (and for himself). He's not stupid. He knows with heavyweight being what it is, someone could KO Wilder (or Joshua) and take away that potential payday. He wants that fight. Joshua wants that fight.
Wilder stands to earn 5-10x more than he can make from any other fight. He wants that fight.
It might not be next, but I guarantee it happens before this time in 2019.
Risk that someone getting KO'd is in every fight but I think soft T.Fury, Bellew/Haye, past Pulev, old Povetkin, fat-slow Miller and Whyte/Browe are not the ones to KO AJ. Wilder has a chance to get the K.O/stoppage against Joshua due of his combination of power, speed and good shape/prime.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 09:13
by ElJefe
I think it happens Summer '19 at the latest. If Joshua beats Parker he'll likely have a mandatory in the summer. Then it's a case of Wilder in the winter, or they wait and do it outdoors at Wembley the next summer.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 12:27
by apollo creed
ElJefe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 09:13
I think it happens Summer '19 at the latest. If Joshua beats Parker he'll likely have a mandatory in the summer. Then it's a case of Wilder in the winter, or they wait and do it outdoors at Wembley the next summer.
I think AJ vs T.Fury would make the same numbers or even more in UK than AJ vs Wilder anywhere in this world. So Joshua is not in a rush to take a risky fight vs Wilder.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 12:41
by Deleted_Scenes
apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:27
ElJefe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 09:13
I think it happens Summer '19 at the latest. If Joshua beats Parker he'll likely have a mandatory in the summer. Then it's a case of Wilder in the winter, or they wait and do it outdoors at Wembley the next summer.
I think AJ vs T.Fury would make the same numbers or even more in UK than AJ vs Wilder anywhere in this world. So Joshua is not in a rush to take a risky fight vs Wilder.
Not so sure of that. The Wilder fight will do over £40mil in US PPV alone, then you can probably add £10-15mil for UK PPV, even if it's at silly o'clock. Vegas gates take more than Wembley, despite much smaller attendance...
Even at a conservative estimate, AJ vs Fury would have to do close to 3 million UK PPV buys (due to the price being lower) to make the same money as Wilder in Vegas (or UK with a US PPV friendly start time). It's not doing that! That also relies on Fury looking like a world beater when he returns. That's far from guaranteed.
In Vegas, on US PPV, Joshua can easily take home double what the Klitschko fight made him, even after paying Wilder 40%.
Joshua wants this fight. As risky as it is, I think the Ortiz fight made Hearn/Joshua see Wilder as very beatable. And even if he loses, there will be a rematch clause, so he can earn big money again with the added opportunity to win his belts back.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 12:45
by oogiebe
That is my biggest concern on this topic. Another LATE dream match. (right now ...that is the dream match in the HW division).
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 12:49
by asdfjkl
It's very obvious that AJ really really wants this fight, but Wilder is clearly after money, Wilder always wants much more as he deserves and AJ is just another example of that.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 12:50
by oogiebe
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:49
It's very obvious that AJ really really wants this fight, but Wilder is clearly after money, Wilder always wants much more as he deserves and AJ is just another example of that.
Ah...and you know this because...?
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 12:52
by asdfjkl
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:50
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:49
It's very obvious that AJ really really wants this fight, but Wilder is clearly after money, Wilder always wants much more as he deserves and AJ is just another example of that.
Ah...and you know this because...?
Because both AJ, as well as Wilder say it.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 12:55
by oogiebe
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:52
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:50
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:49
It's very obvious that AJ really really wants this fight, but Wilder is clearly after money, Wilder always wants much more as he deserves and AJ is just another example of that.
Ah...and you know this because...?
Because both AJ, as well as Wilder say it.
I see. So...AJ doesn't do this for the money. He's some sort of noble man of the people, while Wilder is a capitalist pig. Thought this was PROFESSIONAL boxing. Risk Reward...take on a dangerous fighter, get paid more. AJ and camp are pigs and I believe scared.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 13:46
by Deleted_Scenes
Everyone involved wants to do this primarily for the money. Titles and prestige are obviously a factor, but I doubt there's anyone who isn't really bothered about the £30mil+ on offer.
What's also true, is everything that comes out of the mouths of anyone involved is only being said to get us all talking about it. Not a shred of it will match the actual negotiations behind closed doors.
Once Joshua gets past Parker, they'll sit down properly and iron it out. Maybe this summer, maybe one more fight first.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 13:51
by oogiebe
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 13:46
Everyone involved wants to do this primarily for the money. Titles and prestige are obviously a factor, but I doubt there's anyone who isn't really bothered about the £30mil+ on offer.
What's also true, is everything that comes out of the mouths of anyone involved is only being said to get us all talking about it. Not a shred of it will match the actual negotiations behind closed doors.
Once Joshua gets past Parker, they'll sit down properly and iron it out. Maybe this summer, maybe one more fight first.
Your second paragraph hit home. You are so very right. I'm sick of talking about it, but feel forced to...how sad for me...
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 13:52
by apollo creed
Aj has a promoter who tells him what to do. Hearn would milk all the options in UK then go to the US market mostly because the time is on AJ side.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 13:54
by oogiebe
apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 13:52
Aj has a promoter who tells him what to do. Hearn would milk all the options in UK then go to the US market mostly because the time is on AJ side.
Hey...why not make as many millions as possible. Bad for the fans, but that's the business of boxing today.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 13:59
by Deleted_Scenes
apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 13:52
Aj has a promoter who tells him what to do. Hearn would milk all the options in UK then go to the US market mostly because the time is on AJ side.
Those options will all still be there even if Wilder beats AJ. He's a massive draw, and was earning £20mil even before the Wlad fight.
If it gets delayed, then Wilder loses somewhere (which although he'd be the favourite, is possible) Joshua's chance to earn double his highest payday so far, is off the table. Hearn wants it. He's just playing the game.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 14:10
by oogiebe
LOL...now that I think about it, impossible. Age difference is 7/8 years.
I know...obnoxious...Kalan like even.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 14:14
by asdfjkl
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:55
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:52
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:50
Ah...and you know this because...?
Because both AJ, as well as Wilder say it.
I see. So...AJ doesn't do this for the money. He's some sort of noble man of the people, while Wilder is a capitalist pig. Thought this was PROFESSIONAL boxing. Risk Reward...take on a dangerous fighter, get paid more. AJ and camp are pigs and I believe scared.
Ofcourse AJ does it for money, he even said he wants to become a bilionaire, but he doesn't say no when the offer is fair, he only says no when any idiot knows he gets completely lowballed.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 14:16
by oogiebe
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 14:14
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:55
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:52
Because both AJ, as well as Wilder say it.
I see. So...AJ doesn't do this for the money. He's some sort of noble man of the people, while Wilder is a capitalist pig. Thought this was PROFESSIONAL boxing. Risk Reward...take on a dangerous fighter, get paid more. AJ and camp are pigs and I believe scared.
Ofcourse AJ does it for money, he even said he wants to become a bilionaire, but he doesn't say no when the offer is fair, he only says no when any idiot knows he gets completely lowballed.
Just heard Deontay said he'd take 40%. Let's see. That 40% is better than Deontay's 100%. He should take it.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 14:23
by asdfjkl
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 14:16
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 14:14
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 12:55
I see. So...AJ doesn't do this for the money. He's some sort of noble man of the people, while Wilder is a capitalist pig. Thought this was PROFESSIONAL boxing. Risk Reward...take on a dangerous fighter, get paid more. AJ and camp are pigs and I believe scared.
Ofcourse AJ does it for money, he even said he wants to become a bilionaire, but he doesn't say no when the offer is fair, he only says no when any idiot knows he gets completely lowballed.
Just heard Deontay said he'd take 40%. Let's see. That 40% is better than Deontay's 100%. He should take it.
Oh really? I'll try to look it up, at least there's now finally movement
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 14:24
by oogiebe
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 14:23
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 14:16
asdfjkl wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 14:14
Ofcourse AJ does it for money, he even said he wants to become a bilionaire, but he doesn't say no when the offer is fair, he only says no when any idiot knows he gets completely lowballed.
Just heard Deontay said he'd take 40%. Let's see. That 40% is better than Deontay's 100%. He should take it.
Oh really? I'll try to look it up, at least there's now finally movement
Came up on google search up top.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 14:40
by apollo creed
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 13:59
apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 13:52
Aj has a promoter who tells him what to do. Hearn would milk all the options in UK then go to the US market mostly because the time is on AJ side.
Those options will all still be there even if Wilder beats AJ. He's a massive draw, and was earning £20mil even before the Wlad fight.
If it gets delayed, then Wilder loses somewhere (which although he'd be the favourite, is possible) Joshua's chance to earn double his highest payday so far, is off the table. Hearn wants it. He's just playing the game.
AJ will make the most money as long as he stays undefeated. If AJ gets KO'd or stopped his drawing power will decrease significantly and Hearn definitely doesn't want that. Also I think a major key in this business is to show Wilder that AJ is the cash-cow of the division with good options just to make Wilder think better about what percentage he wants. The truth is Wilder ain't no draw and a 30% is just more than enough for a guy like him. It's just lowballing the financial demands of Wilder. All I see is that Hearn and AJ have all the leverage.
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 15:14
by KiwiRider
Wilder is still blowing hot air. There has been no negotiation between his managent and Matchroom.
If he really wanted the fight, all it would take is one phone call to Big Bob and things would be set in motion.
Mouthing off to journalists isn't how you get a fight made...
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 15:19
by oogiebe
KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 15:14
Wilder is still blowing hot air. There has been no negotiation between his managent and Matchroom.
If he really wanted the fight, all it would take is one phone call to Big Bob and things would be set in motion.
Mouthing off to journalists isn't how you get a fight made...
Speculation
Re: Do you think we will see a 31-32 y/o AJ vs a 35-36 y/o Wilder ?
Posted: 12 Mar 2018, 15:24
by dirk2686
No. I think we'll see it this year.