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mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 14:50
by jamamb
it seems
hes written saying he plans to keep the 140 ibf belt, which by the rules means he cant hang onto his wbc 135 belt, even though the linares vs loma winner would be in mandatory line next with the diamond belt
perhaps this means linares vs loma will now have the full wbc and wba and ring titles up for grabs
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 17:28
by Badhusker
Safest place for him for now. A few monsters above 140, Loma at 135. Good choice.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 17:57
by ValMar
Badhusker wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 17:28
Safest place for him for now. A few monsters above 140, Loma at 135. Good choice.
It might be the good choice for him, but not so good for us, boxing fans.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 17:59
by jamamb
funny because he recently said 135 is his best weight
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 18:34
by Oiky
Yeah suits Mikey
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 18:43
by Ruthless-RKO
With Loma vs. Linares made.. Garcia needs to stay active..
Btw this does not make Linares the WBC champion.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 19:57
by Mexi-Box
Badhusker wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 17:28
Safest place for him for now. A few monsters above 140, Loma at 135. Good choice.
You do know Prograis and Josh Taylor are at 140 lbs., right? Yeah, I'm sure Mikey is staying in a comfortable division considering he's fighting guys a lot bigger than him.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 19:59
by Mexi-Box
jamamb wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 17:59
funny because he recently said 135 is his best weight
Yeah and Chad Dawson said he could make SMW. I'd take what fighters say about weight with a grain of salt. I never had my hopes up that Mikey would move down. He wasn't a small LW.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 20:02
by jamamb
he said it after last fight though , seems like an odd thing to lie about unless he was trying to excuse why he lost some rounds
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 20:47
by Kalan
Boxers always fool themselves about weight....
Since you were at a lower weight not long ago you think you can go there again without problems... But your body adapts to a new weight and muscularity.. You become a Heavyweight or whatever weight... You find that out when you try to go back down in weight and your body doesn't want to cooperate... When you get there a few days ahead of your fight, you feel drained... Your normal energy and power you felt at the higher weight isn't there... Roy Jones for instance.
It's impossible to have the strength and power of a Heavyweight when you turned yourself into a Light Heavyweight.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 23 Mar 2018, 20:49
by Mexi-Box
jamamb wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 20:02
he said it after last fight though , seems like an odd thing to lie about unless he was trying to excuse why he lost some rounds
He just said he has option. With Lomachenko and Linares tied up, it's not worth it for him to campaign at 135 lbs., and I think it's a short time-frame he had to move down.
He's definitely not lying if he said he's more effective at 135 lbs. His power is monstrous there unlike at 140 lbs.
As I said, I take what fighters say about weight with a grain of salt. They often say dumb things when it comes to making weight.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 00:15
by Evander
If true it's probably a wise move by Garcia not to venture up to 147 at this point anyway, it's bandit country at Welterweight and a lot of serious talent resides in the division.
147 has always been one of our marque weight classes.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 08:43
by Badhusker
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 20:49
jamamb wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 20:02
he said it after last fight though , seems like an odd thing to lie about unless he was trying to excuse why he lost some rounds
He just said he has option. With Lomachenko and Linares tied up, it's not worth it for him to campaign at 135 lbs., and I think it's a short time-frame he had to move down.
He's definitely not lying if he said he's more effective at 135 lbs. His power is monstrous there unlike at 140 lbs.
As I said, I take what fighters say about weight with a grain of salt. They often say dumb things when it comes to making weight.
Easter wants a unification fight at 135 but maybe Mikey can't make it that easily who knows. Him chirping about wanting Errol Spence at 147 though is kind of funny. He wants the best and toughest fights, but apparently now doesn't want Loma at 135, or Easter.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 09:38
by ValMar
There is a little bit strange thing regarding LWW, during the Crawford's rule, noone (or almost noone) had mentioned Prograis as the worthy opponent. Just now he is considered the No. 1 LWW by the majority of boxing fans. What's happened ? Is he only the temporary hype or not ? Is he better than Mikey ?
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 12:09
by Mexi-Box
Badhusker wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 08:43
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 20:49
jamamb wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 20:02
he said it after last fight though , seems like an odd thing to lie about unless he was trying to excuse why he lost some rounds
He just said he has option. With Lomachenko and Linares tied up, it's not worth it for him to campaign at 135 lbs., and I think it's a short time-frame he had to move down.
He's definitely not lying if he said he's more effective at 135 lbs. His power is monstrous there unlike at 140 lbs.
As I said, I take what fighters say about weight with a grain of salt. They often say dumb things when it comes to making weight.
Easter wants a unification fight at 135 but maybe Mikey can't make it that easily who knows. Him chirping about wanting Errol Spence at 147 though is kind of funny. He wants the best and toughest fights, but apparently now doesn't want Loma at 135, or Easter.
Easter is average. Any fight at 140 lbs. would be better than Easter. Who the hell is Easter? Guy can be considered 0-3 in his biggest fights, and he for sure lost to Fortuna.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 12:10
by Mexi-Box
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 09:38
There is a little bit strange thing regarding LWW, during the Crawford's rule, noone (or almost noone) had mentioned Prograis as the worthy opponent. Just now he is considered the No. 1 LWW by the majority of boxing fans. What's happened ? Is he only the temporary hype or not ? Is he better than Mikey ?
Mikey is #1 at LWW. Who the hell considers Prograis #1?
By the way, Prograis was still a prospect when Crawford was reigning. Crawford just came to 140 lbs. at the worst time.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 12:15
by ValMar
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 12:10
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 09:38
There is a little bit strange thing regarding LWW, during the Crawford's rule, noone (or almost noone) had mentioned Prograis as the worthy opponent. Just now he is considered the No. 1 LWW by the majority of boxing fans. What's happened ? Is he only the temporary hype or not ? Is he better than Mikey ?
Mikey is #1 at LWW. Who the hell considers Prograis #1?
By the way, Prograis was still a prospect when Crawford was reigning. Crawford just came to 140 lbs. at the worst time.
Prograis (
1989) can not be considered the prospect, obviously. It is now or never, for him.
I opened the thread about the best LWW, we will see if Prograis will get some votes.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 12:24
by Mexi-Box
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 12:15
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 12:10
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 09:38
There is a little bit strange thing regarding LWW, during the Crawford's rule, noone (or almost noone) had mentioned Prograis as the worthy opponent. Just now he is considered the No. 1 LWW by the majority of boxing fans. What's happened ? Is he only the temporary hype or not ? Is he better than Mikey ?
Mikey is #1 at LWW. Who the hell considers Prograis #1?
By the way, Prograis was still a prospect when Crawford was reigning. Crawford just came to 140 lbs. at the worst time.
Prograis (
1989) can not be considered the prospect, obviously. It is now or never, for him.
I opened the thread about the best LWW, we will see if Prograis will get some votes.
He didn't have the resume or experience. His age is a moot point when you consider his resume. His best win is still Joel Diaz Jr.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 15:19
by ValMar
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 12:24
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 12:15
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 12:10
Mikey is #1 at LWW. Who the hell considers Prograis #1?
By the way, Prograis was still a prospect when Crawford was reigning. Crawford just came to 140 lbs. at the worst time.
Prograis (
1989) can not be considered the prospect, obviously. It is now or never, for him.
I opened the thread about the best LWW, we will see if Prograis will get some votes.
He didn't have the resume or experience. His age is a moot point when you consider his resume. His best win is still Joel Diaz Jr.
Indongo.........
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 19:04
by Mexi-Box
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:19
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 12:24
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 12:15
Prograis (
1989) can not be considered the prospect, obviously. It is now or never, for him.
I opened the thread about the best LWW, we will see if Prograis will get some votes.
He didn't have the resume or experience. His age is a moot point when you consider his resume. His best win is still Joel Diaz Jr.
Indongo.........
Indongo sucks, and he's always sucked. Beating a washed up Ricky Burns and an untested Troyanovsky doesn't change it. H2H I think Joel Diaz Jr. beats Indongo.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 19:38
by ThereByTheGrace
Big disappointment if Loma Garcia doesn't happen soon! Can only blame one person for that and its not the boxers!
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 23:19
by Best Coast
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 19:04
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:19
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 12:24
He didn't have the resume or experience. His age is a moot point when you consider his resume. His best win is still Joel Diaz Jr.
Indongo.........
Indongo sucks, and he's always sucked. Beating a washed up Ricky Burns and an untested Troyanovsky doesn't change it. H2H I think Joel Diaz Jr. beats Indongo.
Sorry amigo...gotta disagree on this one. I gave some ground on Indongo (and gave you due credit for saying Regis would win easily) when I said
"I overrated him" before the Prograis fight. That being said "Indongo sucks" is a relative term.
He does suck compared to special talents like Crawford and Prograis, but compared to legit top 10-15 guys like Troyanovsky and Burns, Indongo
has proven himself. I'm pretty sure you wouldnt say newly crowned WBA 140# champ Kiryl Relikh "sucks" after dominating Barthelemy on the Garcia-Lipinets undercard.
Your "washed up" Ricky Burns handed Relikh his ONLY legit pro loss (the Barthelemy 'loss' was a robbery). In fact that clearcut Burns win was just a few months before Indongo dominated Burns to garner the WBA belt Indongo took home from Scotland.
Troyanovsky has had 2 KO wins over decent comp since Indongo destroyed him on his home Russian turf and is now mandatory challenger to Relikh's WBA title, for which he has more than a punchers' chance to win.
Final point. Your boy Joel Diaz has far weaker credentials than Indongo, Burns OR Troyanovsky.
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/539523 
Joel Diaz' "career-defining" win (from a resume' of mediocre journeymen like Joaquim Carneiro and faded trailhorses like Luis Arceo) is a KO of china-chinned pretender Mario Beltre, who's been KOd in 4 of his last 6 bouts (only made it past the 2nd round once).
To be realistic, after 2 crushing losses I wont be surprised if Indongo is a shell of his former self, but I wouldnt put too much stock in Diaz either. He hasnt fought in almost 10 months since Prograis crushed him and Joel may just decide at age 26 to take some college classes & pursue another line of work.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 23:21
by jamamb
burns didnt beat relikh clearcut. i had relikh winning and that seemed to be the consensus even among british fans. although i will say that indongdo defo did better against burns then relikh did, no doubt about that.
i had indogndo beating burns 120-109 and relikh beating burns 115-113
indongo i did think looked bad though vs prograis. he looked panicky from the open bell and even more wild then usual. his balance was awful. im not sure whats happened to him. i do feel prograis is really good but i think hed actually get tougher challenges from guys who werent ranked as high as indongo.
but indongo had two solid wins. i dont see how those can be bashed without bashing every win for a guy like lipinets
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 24 Mar 2018, 23:31
by Best Coast
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 23:21
burns didnt beat relikh clearcutl. i had relikh winning and that seemed to be the consensus even among british fans. although i will say that indongdo defo did better against burns then relikh did, no doubt about that.
i had indogndo beating burns 120-109 and relikh beating burns 115-113
My point being: If Indongo "sucked" and Burns was "washed up" then how could Burns have taken Relikh's belt just a few months before, even if you differ from the judges' scoring.
We all have fighters we dont particularly like & apparently Indongo is one of those for Mexi-Box.
Re: mikey staying at 140
Posted: 25 Mar 2018, 00:17
by Mexi-Box
Best Coast wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 23:19
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 19:04
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Mar 2018, 15:19
Indongo.........
Indongo sucks, and he's always sucked. Beating a washed up Ricky Burns and an untested Troyanovsky doesn't change it. H2H I think Joel Diaz Jr. beats Indongo.
Sorry amigo...gotta disagree on this one. I gave some ground on Indongo (and gave you due credit for saying Regis would win easily) when I said
"I overrated him" before the Prograis fight. That being said "Indongo sucks" is a relative term.
He does suck compared to special talents like Crawford and Prograis, but compared to legit top 10-15 guys like Troyanovsky and Burns, Indongo
has proven himself. I'm pretty sure you wouldnt say newly crowned WBA 140# champ Kiryl Relikh "sucks" after dominating Barthelemy on the Garcia-Lipinets undercard.
Your "washed up" Ricky Burns handed Relikh his ONLY legit pro loss (the Barthelemy 'loss' was a robbery). In fact that clearcut Burns win was just a few months before Indongo dominated Burns to garner the WBA belt Indongo took home from Scotland.
Troyanovsky has had 2 KO wins over decent comp since Indongo destroyed him on his home Russian turf and is now mandatory challenger to Relikh's WBA title, for which he has more than a punchers' chance to win.
Final point. Your boy Joel Diaz has far weaker credentials than Indongo, Burns OR Troyanovsky.
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/539523
Joel Diaz' "career-defining" win (from a resume' of mediocre journeymen like Joaquim Carneiro and faded trailhorses like Luis Arceo) is a KO of china-chinned pretender Mario Beltre, who's been KOd in 4 of his last 6 bouts (only made it past the 2nd round once).
To be realistic, after 2 crushing losses I wont be surprised if Indongo is a shell of his former self, but I wouldnt put too much stock in Diaz either. He hasnt fought in almost 10 months since Prograis crushed him and Joel may just decide at age 26 to take some college classes & pursue another line of work.
Joel Diaz did pretty well against Prograis while Indongo just folded up. That's a lot better of a performance than getting wiped out in 1 by a guy like Indongo.
Also, I've seen several people say Relikh beat Burns. I've not seen the fight, but we can safely assume that Relikh is a lot better than that sole fight given who he ended up beating. Seriously, I'm not too sure people on BoxRec even watch fights. Seems they just look at BoxRec records and rankings and go from there.
Troyanovsky, Burns, and Indongo are just relics of the old guard that was horrifically weak during Crawford's time-span. Neither are going to move on and do anything in the division.