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floyd being a little bigger, joe little
smaller how would this one go down?

You mean P4P.

All things being equal, the master Mayweather just outboxes him, like he did everyone else.

i for one am totally torn on this one.
came to respect floyd's greatness
and yet i still think a prime aggressor
beats a prime defender.

hatton was too small and linear, pac
was too past prime as well as share.
prime joe i think would do it.

but then again. floyd was not only a
defensive fighter. he was great at
reading and adapting.

torn.

I really like Floyd and I can't stand Calzaghe--but if this were fought at a catch weight of 160 Calzaghe would win...

After Floyd beat De La Hoya he wanted to fight Jermain Taylor for the Middleweight Title... His dad and uncle talked him out of it... They told him Taylor was too big and strong for him... Later Taylor fought a terrible fight against Cory Spinks winning by SD and Zab Judah ran over Cory Spinks, knocking him out..

Floyd controlled Cotto, Canelo, and De La Hoya with the jab, right counter, and quick combinations... Jermain wasn't too bright... so Floyd could do the same to him... He'd keep him off balance and beat him by a good margin..

Calzaghe is a tall (for Floyd) southpaw like Errol Spence... Spence knocked the crap out of Floyd with his right hook and the variety of left uppercuts, left hooks, and straight lefts he caught him with... Errol was the worst nightmare in the world for Floyd.. Spence is a lot stronger than Floyd and could drive Floyd around the ring and overpower him.... Calz knocks the living Hell out of Floyd in the same manner.

Calzaghe would be too big for Mayweather and since he would be a relatively fast bigger man i think he would negate some of the advantages Mayweather would have against a slower bigger man and win wide on points.

Hard for me to imagine this matchup because of the size differential. , and I don't really recall too many times that Mayweather fought volume punchers in the same vein as Calzaghe either style-wise.

I guess what this really becomes is how much bigger would Floyd have to have been to have beaten Calzaghe prime 4 prime.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 08:55 I guess what this really becomes is how much bigger would Floyd have to have been to have beaten Calzaghe prime 4 prime.

If Mayweather was a natural middleweight rather than a natural lightweight/welterweight then I think you have a good fight

golden oldie wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 21:12

ewenhay wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 15:35

BitPlayer wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 08:55 I guess what this really becomes is how much bigger would Floyd have to have been to have beaten Calzaghe prime 4 prime.

If Mayweather was a natural middleweight rather than a natural lightweight/welterweight then I think you have a good fight

You might have a point there, but with respect I doubt it. Calzaghe struggled for years to boil down to 168, his walking around weight was 14 stone plus, and he was NOT a Ricky Hatton. No gallons of beer and junk food for him.

I agree. Joe was a bigger super middleweight than most thought and packed some power before he had hand trouble. I think Mayweather needs to be at least a natural middleweight before the fight starts to become competitive. Calzaghe is under rated by many here mainly due to some uncompetitive defences while at his peak which is fair criticism.

If they'd somehow met at MW it would have been a fun, interesting fight.

Calzaghe's sheer workrate and ability to make things happen would have given Floyd a serious examination I think - he was always throwing and barring the odd daft 'macho' moment he was not getting tagged and was expert at pressing and pinching close rounds - he'd have certainly done better than most.

But when push comes to shove, I think a 'big' Floyd has too many moves/smarts and lands the cleaner, scoring punches.

Might have been different if Calzaghe's hands had not been such an issue....when he started out he hit properly hard and put everything behind his shots/went for the finish. Several injuries later he had to rethink things and adapt his style.

Bodyshot3 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:50Might have been different if Calzaghe's hands had not been such an issue....when he started out he hit properly hard and put everything behind his shots/went for the finish. Several injuries later he had to rethink things and adapt his style.

it is actually amazing what he achieved
with these hand problems.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 16:08 You mean P4P.

All things being equal, the master Mayweather just outboxes him, like he did everyone else.

All things being equal, Mayweather would never take the fight, like he did with everyone else.

Floyd cant eat breakfast cause he cant break the darn eggs.

it is actually amazing what he achieved with these hand problems.

Calzaghe's above average book - No Ordinary Joe - spells things out pretty clearly.

He busted his hands-up relatively early into his spell as a champion and from there on in he fretted about them and tended to be very cautious indeed in terms of sparring and was only prepared/able to let them go when they felt absolutely right.

The style got adapted with far fewer outright power shots and more emphasis on boxing at pace and sheer punch volume.

I would've liked to have seen Joe with A1 hands he could trust throughout his championship days - rather than having to manage the constant niggles and concerns - because when he could unload he was very effective.

Put this way, he put Eubank on his bum who had a chin made of feckin' titanium and to the best of knowledge has not been put down in + 40 fights.

If you were a wide open target like Ricky Hatton and Victor Ortiz, Floyd could knock you out.... But Zab? He couldn't.

If you were a skillful and fast southpaw you could beat Floyd up for 4 rounds until he made great adjustments...

His dad told Floyd.., "He's a front runner... Start putting a lot more pressure on him... He's picking you off from the outside.. You're letting him relax and get into a rhythm.. You need to drive straight at him with the jab, follow with the left hook, an then the right.. Stay on him when you start tagging him - you're letting him get out and reset.. Make him fight."

Floyd started fighting 3 minutes a round.... Zab started to flag.... The only adjustment he made was a low blow.

Floyd Sr. was a great coach and second.... Enzo Calzaghe?? Not so much.... Joe had to make his own adjustments and figure it out for himself... But Floyd couldn't apply pressure to Calzaghe anymore than he could pressure Errol Spence.

Kalan wrote: ↑09 Apr 2018, 15:34 If you were a wide open target like Ricky Hatton and Victor Ortiz, Floyd could knock you out.... But Zab? He couldn't.

If you were a skillful and fast southpaw you could beat Floyd up for 4 rounds until he made great adjustments...

His dad told Floyd.., "He's a front runner... Start putting a lot more pressure on him... He's picking you off from the outside.. You're letting him relax and get into a rhythm.. You need to drive straight at him with the jab, follow with the left hook, an then the right.. Stay on him when you start tagging him - you're letting him get out and reset.. Make him fight."

Floyd started fighting 3 minutes a round.... Zab started to flag.... The only adjustment he made was a low blow.

Floyd Sr. was a great coach and second.... Enzo Calzaghe?? Not so much.... Joe had to make his own adjustments and figure it out for himself... But Floyd couldn't apply pressure to Calzaghe anymore than he could pressure Errol Spence.

I think Floyd Senior is over rated. His coaching of Hatton for the Pacquiao fight was a complete shambles.

@Kalan you do raise an interesting point about Enzo.........

...........Enzo and Joe certainly often had a difficult-fractious relationship and throughout Joe's career he was being pressured to leave his Newbridge "gym in the backwoods" and return Enzo to being just Dad rather than his Chief Trainer.

But Enzo did have other outstanding qualities which tend to be ignored and which Joe ultimately stuck with.

The spartan, out-of-the-way environment of Enzo's Newbridge training set-up ensured Joe was always bullet fit and even when he was a marquee guy he didn't get distracted and every fight was prepared for as if Joe were the challenger.

The Calzaghes - I think with Enzo taking the lead - truly revelled in their outsider status and it was used as a key source of motivation and also very useful in terms of preparing for big fights under the radar.

Joe and Enzo did not give much away because they were up a hill - literally in a shed - and in a Newbridge shed

Enzo never boxed as a pro - he was mainly a musician who toured with his brothers - but I think he was a master motivator and he created a great space/place for his talented son that absolutely worked and delivered.

I think you've said that Joe is not your kind of fighter.......but do read his book and you'll understand that he came from the back of beyond and did things his own way with Enzo's backing and against the odds and without moving to London.

Joe was a throwback when throwbacks were supposed to be dead and utterly irrelevant.

I cannot stand Mayweather. however; despite rooting against him in vain, I have to take him for this. He is really a great boxer. Hit and don't get hit is epitomized by Mayweather.

golden oldie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:09

Bodyshot3 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 15:52 @Kalan you do raise an interesting point about Enzo.........

...........Enzo and Joe certainly often had a difficult-fractious relationship and throughout Joe's career he was being pressured to leave his Newbridge "gym in the backwoods" and return Enzo to being just Dad rather than his Chief Trainer.

But Enzo did have other outstanding qualities which tend to be ignored and which Joe ultimately stuck with.

I knew a guy who used to come over here a lot ( Spain ) who lived in the next village to Newbridge. One lunchtime he was in a pub there and Joe and Enzo came in and had a pint and a game of darts for a £10 bet. Upshot was Joe went to the toilet when the game was nearly over. Enzo cheated by placing the darts in the required places to win, winks at the guy I knew, who was about 70 at the time and says " Tell Joe I threw the darts to win " Joe comes out and queries it and the guy says " your dad won by throwing the darts.

Joe goes over to the bar pays the barmaid, hands over the tenner, and says to Wayne on the way out. " I've left you a pint in you lying old bastard, if the old man had been there all night he could never have got that finishing score " shook his hand and off they went.

LMAO!

I

knew a guy who used to come over here a lot ( Spain ) who lived in the next village to Newbridge. One lunchtime he was in a pub there and Joe and Enzo came in and had a pint and a game of darts for a £10 bet. Upshot was Joe went to the toilet when the game was nearly over. Enzo cheated by placing the darts in the required places to win, winks at the guy I knew, who was about 70 at the time and says " Tell Joe I threw the darts to win " Joe comes out and queries it and the guy says " your dad won by throwing the darts.

Joe goes over to the bar pays the barmaid, hands over the tenner, and says to Wayne on the way out. " I've left you a pint in you lying old bastard, if the old man had been there all night he could never have got that finishing score " shook his hand and off they went.

That was Joe and Enzo all over
But somehow their regular spats and scrapes - both serious and jesting - worked out for them just fine!

I've referenced Joe's book a great deal but its actually a boxing read of note and a page-turner. Enzo seemed to have a gift for pressing all Joe's buttons but always to get a response in the ring and at usually precisely the right time.

They were perhaps the last majorly succesful boxing family 'odd couple' for my money along with the ever-fractious Mayweather clan .....although the Eubanks are equally as weird but without the belts to their name yet.

I think a night out on the town with the Calzaghes, Hiltons and Mayweathers would be unmissable

Bodyshot3 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 16:32 I

knew a guy who used to come over here a lot ( Spain ) who lived in the next village to Newbridge. One lunchtime he was in a pub there and Joe and Enzo came in and had a pint and a game of darts for a £10 bet. Upshot was Joe went to the toilet when the game was nearly over. Enzo cheated by placing the darts in the required places to win, winks at the guy I knew, who was about 70 at the time and says " Tell Joe I threw the darts to win " Joe comes out and queries it and the guy says " your dad won by throwing the darts.

Joe goes over to the bar pays the barmaid, hands over the tenner, and says to Wayne on the way out. " I've left you a pint in you lying old bastard, if the old man had been there all night he could never have got that finishing score " shook his hand and off they went.

That was Joe and Enzo all over
But somehow their regular spats and scrapes - both serious and jesting - worked out for them just fine!

I've referenced Joe's book a great deal but its actually a boxing read of note and a page-turner. Enzo seemed to have a gift for pressing all Joe's buttons but always to get a response in the ring and at usually the right time.

They were perhaps the last majorly succesful boxing family 'odd couple' for my money.along with the fractious Mayweather clan .....although the Eubanks are equally as weird but without the belts to their name yet.

I think a night out on the town with the Calzaghes, Hiltons and Mayweathers would be unmissable

Don't forget to give me a call to come by!

It would be anything BUT boring, thats for sure.

Agreed...........reckon Enzo and the Hiltons would've either got on like a house on fire or there's the wail of police sirens and the judge is busy the next morning.

golden oldie wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:09

Bodyshot3 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 15:52 @Kalan you do raise an interesting point about Enzo.........

...........Enzo and Joe certainly often had a difficult-fractious relationship and throughout Joe's career he was being pressured to leave his Newbridge "gym in the backwoods" and return Enzo to being just Dad rather than his Chief Trainer.

But Enzo did have other outstanding qualities which tend to be ignored and which Joe ultimately stuck with.

I knew a guy who used to come over here a lot ( Spain ) who lived in the next village to Newbridge. One lunchtime he was in a pub there and Joe and Enzo came in and had a pint and a game of darts for a £10 bet. Upshot was Joe went to the toilet when the game was nearly over. Enzo cheated by placing the darts in the required places to win, winks at the guy I knew, who was about 70 at the time and says " Tell Joe I threw the darts to win " Joe comes out and queries it and the guy says " your dad won by throwing the darts.

Joe goes over to the bar pays the barmaid, hands over the tenner, and says to Wayne on the way out. " I've left you a pint in you lying old bastard, if the old man had been there all night he could never have got that finishing score " shook his hand and off they went.

what a story!

Bodyshot3 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 14:08

It would be anything BUT boring, thats for sure.

Agreed...........reckon Enzo and the Hiltons would've either got on like a house on fire or there's the wail of police sirens and the judge is busy the next morning.

LOL! Where do I sign up?!