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Every fight is a review and Anthony Joshua just had his.
Wilder had the shootout with Ortiz.

Who has the advantage ?

do you even bother to check the other threads, someone already made one for this, its like 2 or 3 down from here

Sometimes I don't.

Who do you think then ?

Watched the post fight conference ... Joshua looked clear headed and lucid.

Will Hearn and Joshua duck Wilder again?

I'd be ok with it if Joshua fights Ortiz next, but he won't.

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:32 Will Hearn and Joshua duck Wilder again?

I'd be ok with it if Joshua fights Ortiz next, but he won't.

It's not Joshua or even Wilder holding this fight up. Both would fight a rabid badger.
It's all on Hearn

Hearn badly wants the fight.... You heard him.... Wilder should be next, but Wilder's brain trust will not agree.

It's Al Haymon... The man is a dick and a half... He doesn't give a crap about anybody but himself.

Kalan wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 16:03 Hearn badly wants the fight.... You heard him.... Wilder should be next, but Wilder's brain trust will not agree.

It's Al Haymon... The man is a dick and a half... He doesn't give a crap about anybody but himself.

You believing the proven liar Hearn is enough said.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:35

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:32 Will Hearn and Joshua duck Wilder again?

I'd be ok with it if Joshua fights Ortiz next, but he won't.

It's not Joshua or even Wilder holding this fight up. Both would fight a rabid badger.
It's all on Hearn

I hope Ortiz wants to fight Parker, Ortiz is no longer AJ's mandatory. I also like to see Browne vs Stiverne. AJ vs Povetkin and Wilder vs Whyte. Kownacki vs Charles Martin, Miller vs Pulev, Takam vs Chisora. Junlong Zhang vs Washington. Something like that.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 20:35

tiny_acres wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:35

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:32 Will Hearn and Joshua duck Wilder again?

I'd be ok with it if Joshua fights Ortiz next, but he won't.

It's not Joshua or even Wilder holding this fight up. Both would fight a rabid badger.
It's all on Hearn

I hope Ortiz wants to fight Parker, Ortiz is no longer AJ's mandatory. I also like to see Browne vs Stiverne. AJ vs Povetkin and Wilder vs Whyte. Kownacki vs Charles Martin, Miller vs Pulev, Takam vs Chisora. Junlong Zhang vs Washington. Something like that.

I wouldn't mind seeing any of those.
But like nearly everyone else.
I want Joshua to fight Wilder

where exactly has this fight been held up before? like, when was it really possible to happen but then obviously got ducked?

tiny_acres wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 20:42

asdfjkl wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 20:35

tiny_acres wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:35

It's not Joshua or even Wilder holding this fight up. Both would fight a rabid badger.
It's all on Hearn

I hope Ortiz wants to fight Parker, Ortiz is no longer AJ's mandatory. I also like to see Browne vs Stiverne. AJ vs Povetkin and Wilder vs Whyte. Kownacki vs Charles Martin, Miller vs Pulev, Takam vs Chisora. Junlong Zhang vs Washington. Something like that.

I wouldn't mind seeing any of those.
But like nearly everyone else.
I want Joshua to fight Wilder

If Wilder accepted I would probably watch, but I really don't like the fact that even after all those years, you still can't really compare him to any of the top fighters because he only fights guys that have no link with AJ or Parker or Povetkin and if they do it only seems like Wilder really isn't anything special. His leftovers have all stopped boxing or lost badly against other opponents, which make Wilder really look like terrible. At the same time many of AJ his leftovers never lost again after they fought AJ. Same thing for Parker his leftovers. If you want to prove you're better as Parker you simply beat either Hughie Fury, Takam, Dimetrenko, or Andy Ruiz Jr in a better fashion. If you want to proof you're better as AJ, you simply beat that same Takam, or Breazeale, or Whyte, or even Charles Martin, or Klitschko in a better way. Povetkin with Wach, and Rudenko, same story.
Molina and Jason Gavern showed a much better performance against Wilder compared to AJ. Duhaupas was KOed in 6 against Povetkin, Washington lost badly against Miller. All of those things suggest that all of these guys are much better then Wilder and what does Wilder do? He simply avoids them.

Now I do give him credits for fighting Ortiz, despite Ortiz his Scott fight already suggested that Wilder was probably better, but I'd still love to see Wilder fighting someone that destroyed one of his leftovers, just in case Kownacki or Miller if Wilder preferes to avoid AJ his leftovers. At this moment, outside of the undeserved belt and Luis Ortiz, I see nothing that proves me Wilder earned the AJ fight more as Boban Filipovic, Fabio Maldonado, or William Bezerra for example. Even Jun Long Zhang showed a better performance against Jason Gavern.

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:32 Will Hearn and Joshua duck Wilder again?

I'd be ok with it if Joshua fights Ortiz next, but he won't.

You do understand that Joshua brings the money in this fight right?

So with this in mind, which do you think is the more logical scenario. Hearn and Joshua are ducking Wilder, OR Wilder is making outrageous monetary demands that don't match what he brings to the table.

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 16:25

Kalan wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 16:03 Hearn badly wants the fight.... You heard him.... Wilder should be next, but Wilder's brain trust will not agree.

It's Al Haymon... The man is a dick and a half... He doesn't give a crap about anybody but himself.

You believing the proven liar Hearn is enough said.

You're lying about him being a liar... He's been upfront as Hell.

Joshua makes 10 times as much per fight as Wilder does and isn't going to agree to a 50/50 split... They're going to give De a fair cut -- more than he deserves... Joshua is the draw... Nobody likes Wilder .... who said he wanted to kill Stiverne and he wants a body... Deontay is desperate... He's trying different things to get a following and it's not happening.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 04:51

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:32 Will Hearn and Joshua duck Wilder again?

I'd be ok with it if Joshua fights Ortiz next, but he won't.

You do understand that Joshua brings the money in this fight right?

So with this in mind, which do you think is the more logical scenario. Hearn and Joshua are ducking Wilder, OR Wilder is making outrageous monetary demands that don't match what he brings to the table.

It's pretty clear isn't it?

jamamb wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 20:55 where exactly has this fight been held up before? like, when was it really possible to happen but then obviously got ducked?

Here is an article from over a year ago.
http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-pla ... klitschko/

What did Hearn do after this? Line Pulev up after saying the public wouldn't want it, and putting Takam on standby while Ortiz was sitting there waiting. He could have fought Ortiz at least instead of Breazeale and Molina before as well. He fought Parker instead of Wilder too because he was less risky. Its all good though, the pressure is on him and Hearn.

Its obvious AJ is the A side, easily. I predict if he doesn't fight Wilder next, he won't fight Ortiz either, or Povetkin. He will take an easier fight like Miller or even someone easier yet. Hearn won't want him to fight Wilder next, once again giving the marinating excuse. Wilder will badmouth him enough in the meantime, that the pressure to fight will be even more to the point Wilder can make some demands of his own or say he won't fight. One thing may be no fight in the UK, where judges and the ref are definitely not fair, as we just saw in this fight and also the early stoppage vs Takam.

Believe it or not, the waiting will allow Wilder to get his way on some of his demands, which are presently not an obstacle. In the meantime Wilder can fight some of AJ's leftovers like Takam, Breazeale, or fight Kownacki. He is more than willing to fight Whyte as long as Hearn puts it in writing that Joshua is next, but he won't.

Joshua beats Wilder. Deontay only has a punchers' chance, since he can't outbox the Brit..

AJ has consistently fought better opposition and has far more experience competing at the highest level, whilst headlining the world's biggest events.

That being said, if Tyson Fury can recapture his form of old, such as attaining the peak we saw when he engaged in the Chisora rematch, then he'd be strongly favoured to beat both Joshua and Wilder... by the proverbial country mile.

AJ and Wilder would only have a punchers' chance of beating Tyson Fury (assuming the Gypsy King is capable of competing at the levels we saw a few years ago).

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 07:21 Joshua beats Wilder. Deontay only has a punchers' chance, since he can't outbox the Brit..

AJ has consistently fought better opposition and has far more experience competing at the highest level, whilst headlining the world's biggest events.

That being said, if Tyson Fury can recapture his form of old, such as attaining the peak we saw when he engaged in the Chisora rematch, then he'd be strongly favoured to beat both Joshua and Wilder... by the proverbial country mile.

AJ and Wilder would only have a punchers' chance of beating Tyson Fury (assuming the Gypsy King is capable of competing at the levels we saw a few years ago).

IMO this is the most accurate post. Joshua beats everybody at the moment but nothing is 100%. Joshua fighting Wilder or Povetkin will likely be the same sort of outcome we saw in AJ v Joe Parker...a cautious saftey first approach from each boxer who will look for gaps and mistakes any of the fighters including Ortiz have the ability to beat any of the others if they make mistakes. I think Povetkin would edge Wilder, but if Wilder kept him at range with a long paw-like jab Povetkin could not get near him..i am not sure Wilder has those sort of skills for 36 minutes.
Boxing politics mean DW and AJ will have mandatory committments. DW will have to face Dillian Whyte either next fight or the one after, with big pay days at risk, DW will take an easy fight then a mandated purse bid, he might end up with less than the fixed offer from Eddie Hearn. AJ will probably face Pulev or Povetkin, having three belts with three mandatories will be tough to keep the contract obligations, a fight with Povetkin solves two in one spin. The IBF dont have a current mandatory situation.

Most likely is a next/June fight with Joshua v Povetkin and Wilder v Whyte with the winners if Wilder comes through to fight December 8th.

If you watched Wilder vs Ortiz, Wilder had a lot of problems not just getting out-boxed, but getting out-boxed by a very skilled southpaw with power he had to respect. Wilder is much, much, more effective with his one-two combinations against orthodox boxers. Joshua is a good boxer, but not great. He has KO power no doubt, but his lack of speed will be the reason Wilder KO's him.

During the Parker fight he connected with some jabs, but they were slow. He had power behind his punches, but even with the height and huge reach advantage Parker was able to slip most of them, and Parker is no defensive genius, or particularly fast himself. Joshua's most effective punches were illegal, where he held Parker by the back of the head and threw and uppercut. His elbow to the eye was also effective, causing a cut.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 06:05

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 04:51

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:32 Will Hearn and Joshua duck Wilder again?

I'd be ok with it if Joshua fights Ortiz next, but he won't.

You do understand that Joshua brings the money in this fight right?

So with this in mind, which do you think is the more logical scenario. Hearn and Joshua are ducking Wilder, OR Wilder is making outrageous monetary demands that don't match what he brings to the table.

It's pretty clear isn't it?

I actually don't blame Wilder though, he's just sitting back allowing his name to be mentioned by Sky, Hearn and Joshua, and now people in the UK are demanding the fight, so the longer it goes the more Wilder can probably demand.

This said Joshua is going to be able to sell out stadiums fighting anyone, so if Hearn can hold his nerve and just give Wilder a take it or leave it deal, Deontay might accept due to the risk of getting derailed by someone else before the fight happens.

As for the matchup, I think it's hard to predict. WIlder proved a lot versus Ortiz. However Deontay can go spells in fights without doing much and then explode when he sees an opening. When he does unload, it's so hard for guys to deal with that power and those unorthodox angles.

I would favour Joshua to get to him first, but I wouldn't be betting on it.

Sloppy fight. Both fighters will be scared of the others power. But the inevitable clash of power will lead to an early ko.
I honestly believe Wilder lands the first power shots and takes Joshua out in 3 rounds.
But this is 60-40 Wilder for me.
Again I've been wrong a million times I just want to see it and hope the best man wins

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 16:25

Kalan wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 16:03 Hearn badly wants the fight.... You heard him.... Wilder should be next, but Wilder's brain trust will not agree.

It's Al Haymon... The man is a dick and a half... He doesn't give a crap about anybody but himself.

You believing the proven liar Hearn is enough said.

Hearn is a thug! Lying; conniving thug...who dresses well, but a thug nonetheless.

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 05:53

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 16:25

Kalan wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 16:03 Hearn badly wants the fight.... You heard him.... Wilder should be next, but Wilder's brain trust will not agree.

It's Al Haymon... The man is a dick and a half... He doesn't give a crap about anybody but himself.

You believing the proven liar Hearn is enough said.

You're lying about him being a liar... He's been upfront as Hell.

Joshua makes 10 times as much per fight as Wilder does and isn't going to agree to a 50/50 split... They're going to give De a fair cut -- more than he deserves... Joshua is the draw... Nobody likes Wilder .... who said he wanted to kill Stiverne and he wants a body... Deontay is desperate... He's trying different things to get a following and it's not happening.

I guess it's just Wilder his way of admitting he dopes, because he used to say that doping is equal to playing with lives in the heavyweight division, something he learned from Szpilka.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 16:16

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 05:53

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 16:25

You believing the proven liar Hearn is enough said.

You're lying about him being a liar... He's been upfront as Hell.

Joshua makes 10 times as much per fight as Wilder does and isn't going to agree to a 50/50 split... They're going to give De a fair cut -- more than he deserves... Joshua is the draw... Nobody likes Wilder .... who said he wanted to kill Stiverne and he wants a body... Deontay is desperate... He's trying different things to get a following and it's not happening.

I guess it's just Wilder his way of admitting he dopes, because he used to say that doping is equal to playing with lives in the heavyweight division, something he learned from Szpilka.

That was SOME connecting of the dots. I assume you are being quite facetious.