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Prime Oliver McCall vs...

1. Mike Tyson
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Riddick Bowe

Who wins & how?

If the same Oliver McCall who showed up for his FIRST Lennox Lewis Fight showed up -- He beats them all by KO.

Any other McCall loses badly -- except to Riddick Bowe.... Ollie didn't like Bowe or respect him... He takes him out.

I don’t think he beats any of them.

All 3 beat the best McCall and they dont have to be at their best to do it.

The BEST McCall was damned good... Trained by Emanuel Steward and turning his heat on Lennox Lewis.

If you think that was a lucky shot, watch the 1st round... McCall won it big... His name is not McCline -- remember that.

I think Bowe is a bit overrated, Golota beat him up pretty handily and aside from Holyfield is resume is pretty thin.

klompton wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 20:03 All 3 beat the best McCall and they dont have to be at their best to do it.

Agreed.

McCall wins NONE.

McCall doesn't come out for round 8 against Tyson complaining he's depressed or his neck hurts or something.

Bowe and Holyfield win UD against McCall. McCall late round stoppage over Bowe after losing every round beforehand is possible.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:39 McCall doesn't come out for round 8 against Tyson complaining he's depressed or his neck hurts or something.

Bowe and Holyfield win UD against McCall. McCall late round stoppage over Bowe after losing every round beforehand is possible.

...his teeth itch...

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 10:42

klompton wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 20:03 All 3 beat the best McCall and they dont have to be at their best to do it.

Agreed.

Oh yeah.... Punches that landed freely on Lewis would never find the more wide open Tyson, Holyfield, or Bowe.

Poor McCall... On the best night of his career, after being trained for the fight by Manny Steward, he didn't have it.

Ade L wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 05:41 Prime Oliver McCall vs...

1. Mike Tyson
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Riddick Bowe

Who wins & how?

I can't imagine McCall winning any of these fights. He'd win a few rounds in all the fights, and wouldn't get stopped by any of the 3, but they're all better than him and would win UD's in all likelihood.

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:09

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 10:42

klompton wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 20:03 All 3 beat the best McCall and they dont have to be at their best to do it.

Agreed.

Oh yeah.... Punches that landed freely on Lewis would never find the more wide open Tyson, Holyfield, or Bowe.

Poor McCall... On the best night of his career, after being trained for the fight by Manny Steward, he didn't have it.

He'd land punches, but all 3 of these guys could take a punch better than Lewis, and it's hard to imagine him getting a one shot KO on any of them.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:12

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:09

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 10:42

Agreed.

Oh yeah.... Punches that landed freely on Lewis would never find the more wide open Tyson, Holyfield, or Bowe.

Poor McCall... On the best night of his career, after being trained for the fight by Manny Steward, he didn't have it.

He'd land punches, but all 3 of these guys could take a punch better than Lewis, and it's hard to imagine him getting a one shot KO on any of them.

Tyson, in his prime, was extremely difficult to hit. Once he stopped head movement and angles, he was through.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:14

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:12

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:09

Oh yeah.... Punches that landed freely on Lewis would never find the more wide open Tyson, Holyfield, or Bowe.

Poor McCall... On the best night of his career, after being trained for the fight by Manny Steward, he didn't have it.

He'd land punches, but all 3 of these guys could take a punch better than Lewis, and it's hard to imagine him getting a one shot KO on any of them.

Tyson, in his prime, was extremely difficult to hit. Once he stopped head movement and angles, he was through.

Yeah. I'd assume since we're getting Prime McCall we're also getting Prime versions of the 3 Champions in question.

I don't even think it'd take the very best Holyfield to beat McCall. Bowe's prime didn't last too long, I figure McCall would fare well with the Bowe from the Golota fights, but any other Bowe would beat him. Tyson up until the late 90's probably would've beaten McCall although his prime really ended after his Prison stint.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:14

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:12

He'd land punches, but all 3 of these guys could take a punch better than Lewis, and it's hard to imagine him getting a one shot KO on any of them.

Tyson, in his prime, was extremely difficult to hit. Once he stopped head movement and angles, he was through.

Yeah. I'd assume since we're getting Prime McCall we're also getting Prime versions of the 3 Champions in question.

I don't even think it'd take the very best Holyfield to beat McCall. Bowe's prime didn't last too long, I figure McCall would fare well with the Bowe from the Golota fights, but any other Bowe would beat him. Tyson up until the late 90's probably would've beaten McCall although his prime really ended after his Prison stint.

It's so hard with McCall, as we all know. I hate these unprovable comps, but it's so hard to stay away! McCall would have his best chance with Bowe, as Bowe's heart against a big puncher is arguable. So we agree on that! Golota v. McCall is a psychiatrist's dream fight! LMAO!

I figure Golota would get discouraged and either get knocked out or get himself DQ'ed in a fight with McCall.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:35 I figure Golota would get discouraged and either get knocked out or get himself DQ'ed in a fight with McCall.

Golota hits his marbles and McCall cries for his mommy.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:14

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:12

He'd land punches, but all 3 of these guys could take a punch better than Lewis, and it's hard to imagine him getting a one shot KO on any of them.

Tyson, in his prime, was extremely difficult to hit. Once he stopped head movement and angles, he was through.

Yeah. I'd assume since we're getting Prime McCall we're also getting Prime versions of the 3 Champions in question.

I don't even think it'd take the very best Holyfield to beat McCall. Bowe's prime didn't last too long, I figure McCall would fare well with the Bowe from the Golota fights, but any other Bowe would beat him. Tyson up until the late 90's probably would've beaten McCall although his prime really ended after his Prison stint.

Lewis's chin was better than Holyfield's.. Tyson's.. or Bowe's.. Holyfield was down at least 5 for 6 times and stopped twice... Tyson was down several times and stopped 5 times... Bowe was knocked down by the feather hitting Golota and knocked down and knocked wobbly by Cruiserweight Holyfield...

Bowe never fought anybody but Holyfield in his whole career... He refused to take a fight with a puncher... McCall was a blaster... Henry Ankinwande had never been knocked out in his life before by anybody... Ollie flattened him.

Lewis was never on the canvas except for a lottery shot lucky punch .... and McCall... That wasn't lucky... Watch the fight up until the KO punch if you think that was a lucky shot... McCall looked fast, sharp and worked Lewis over good... In fact, Emanuel Steward predicted it... Listen to the broadcast... He predicted McCall would surprise Lewis.

McCall had possibly the greatest chin ever... Nobody ever put him down or made him blink... but the McCall I'm talking about is the actively moving and punching Steward trained version -- who dominated Lewis for 2 rounds and got him out early -- not the guy who never got started in most of his fights and fought like a guy waiting for a bus.

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 15:52

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:14

Tyson, in his prime, was extremely difficult to hit. Once he stopped head movement and angles, he was through.

Yeah. I'd assume since we're getting Prime McCall we're also getting Prime versions of the 3 Champions in question.

I don't even think it'd take the very best Holyfield to beat McCall. Bowe's prime didn't last too long, I figure McCall would fare well with the Bowe from the Golota fights, but any other Bowe would beat him. Tyson up until the late 90's probably would've beaten McCall although his prime really ended after his Prison stint.

Lewis's chin was better than Holyfield's.. Tyson's.. or Bowe's.. Holyfield was down at least 5 for 6 times and stopped twice... Tyson was down several times and stopped 5 times... Bowe was knocked down by the feather hitting Golota and knocked down and knocked wobbly by Cruiserweight Holyfield...

Bowe never fought anybody but Holyfield in his whole career... He refused to take a fight with a puncher... McCall was a blaster... Henry Ankinwande had never been knocked out in his life before by anybody... Ollie flattened him.

Lewis was never on the canvas except for a lottery shot lucky punch .... and McCall... That wasn't lucky... Watch the fight up until the KO punch if you think that was a lucky shot... McCall looked fast, sharp and worked Lewis over good... In fact, Emanuel Steward predicted it... Listen to the broadcast... He predicted McCall would surprise Lewis.

McCall had possibly the greatest chin ever... Nobody ever put him down or made him blink... but the McCall I'm talking about is the actively moving and punching Steward trained version -- who dominated Lewis for 2 rounds and got him out early -- not the guy who never got started in most of his fights and fought like a guy waiting for a bus.

The only thing I can disagree with is Lewis' chin better than commander Evander...I just don't buy that for a plug nickel. The rest you make quality points.

Holyfield's chin??? It didn't hold up with Bowe... You saw all the Bowe fights with Holyfield... Evander brawled instead of boxing in the 1st and 3rd fights.... For me, if you weigh 205, you don't brawl with a big man in the 240's... Or even if you're 215.

A man going 240 is going to knock Holyfield down -- if he makes the mistake of going toe to toe... Evander was on the canvas 3 X against Bowe and was knocked out... Evander DIDN'T brawl with Lewis (smarter), and he boxed more in the Bowe rematch (smarter, he won that one).. Lewis was a much harder puncher than Bowe (see Golota fights)... Holy boxed out of a shell and gave away both Lewis fights rather than taking a chance of getting hit with a KO shot...

Holyfield took some shots from hard hitter Mike Tyson... But Mike seemed a little intimidated in that fight... I never saw Mike crank it up in either fight - except right before he bit Evander he was going at him better, but he decided the fight was over at that point so he was letting it out a little... Holyfield was too skillful with his hands and too slick with his head... I don't think Evander's chin was a big factor against Tyson... It was more his sneering attitude, physicality, and rough stuff. You also have to remember that Mike wasn't real big or powerful himself... He was barely bigger than Holyfield, a pound or 2.

Against the Atomic Bull (a big man) his chin would be crushed if he got hit good.

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:30 Holyfield's chin??? It didn't hold up with Bowe... You saw all the Bowe fights with Holyfield... Evander brawled instead of boxing in the 1st and 3rd fights.... For me, if you weigh 205, you don't brawl with a big man in the 240's... Or even if you're 215.

A man going 240 is going to knock Holyfield down -- if he makes the mistake of going toe to toe... Evander was on the canvas 3 X against Bowe and was knocked out... Evander DIDN'T brawl with Lewis (smarter), and he boxed more in the Bowe rematch (smarter, he won that one).. Lewis was a much harder puncher than Bowe (see Golota fights)... Holy boxed out of a shell and gave away both Lewis fights rather than taking a chance of getting hit with a KO shot...

Holyfield took some shots from hard hitter Mike Tyson... But Mike seemed a little intimidated in that fight... I never saw Mike crank it up in either fight - except right before he bit Evander he was going at him better, but he decided the fight was over at that point so he was letting it out a little... Holyfield was too skillful with his hands and too slick with his head... I don't think Evander's chin was a big factor against Tyson... It was more his sneering attitude, physicality, and rough stuff.

Against the Atomic Bull (a big man) his chin would be crushed if he got hit good.

Some would say that versus Holyfield, Lewis should have been more aggressive to KO him. Holyfield's chin is legendary. Yes, A 240 lb man should absolutely be able to ko a 215 man, but not always. Holyfield took a lot of punishment, and should probably have been down more times than he was. Would you say Ali didn't have a great chin because he had been knocked down several times? You might, but most of us wouldn't.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:34

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:30 Holyfield's chin??? It didn't hold up with Bowe... You saw all the Bowe fights with Holyfield... Evander brawled instead of boxing in the 1st and 3rd fights.... For me, if you weigh 205, you don't brawl with a big man in the 240's... Or even if you're 215.

A man going 240 is going to knock Holyfield down -- if he makes the mistake of going toe to toe... Evander was on the canvas 3 X against Bowe and was knocked out... Evander DIDN'T brawl with Lewis (smarter), and he boxed more in the Bowe rematch (smarter, he won that one).. Lewis was a much harder puncher than Bowe (see Golota fights)... Holy boxed out of a shell and gave away both Lewis fights rather than taking a chance of getting hit with a KO shot...

Holyfield took some shots from hard hitter Mike Tyson... But Mike seemed a little intimidated in that fight... I never saw Mike crank it up in either fight - except right before he bit Evander he was going at him better, but he decided the fight was over at that point so he was letting it out a little... Holyfield was too skillful with his hands and too slick with his head... I don't think Evander's chin was a big factor against Tyson... It was more his sneering attitude, physicality, and rough stuff.

Against the Atomic Bull (a big man) his chin would be crushed if he got hit good.

Some would say that versus Holyfield, Lewis should have been more aggressive to KO him. Holyfield's chin is legendary. Yes, A 240 lb man should absolutely be able to ko a 215 man, but not always. Holyfield took a lot of punishment, and should probably have been down more times than he was. Would you say Ali didn't have a great chin because he had been knocked down several times? You might, but most of us wouldn't.

What I would say about Ali is he never fought ANYBODY anywhere near the combination of height, size, strength, speed, skill, and athleticism of Lewis, Joshua, or the Klitschko Bros... Little guys put Ali on his ass so if a big guy hit him he would be unconscious... Lewis DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVE against Holyfield... Evander gave those fights away...

Holyfield's chin isn't "LEGENDARY" cuz he was knocked down so often and he was knocked OUT!!!... He was also very easy for a big man to hit IF Holyfield engaged with him... Vitali's chin and McCall's chin are legendary... The best ever... I would also say that if you can speak 5 languages clearly and distinctly and be the mayor of a major world city after your career is over that is another indication your chin was great... Vitali could do those things.

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:43

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:34

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:30 Holyfield's chin??? It didn't hold up with Bowe... You saw all the Bowe fights with Holyfield... Evander brawled instead of boxing in the 1st and 3rd fights.... For me, if you weigh 205, you don't brawl with a big man in the 240's... Or even if you're 215.

A man going 240 is going to knock Holyfield down -- if he makes the mistake of going toe to toe... Evander was on the canvas 3 X against Bowe and was knocked out... Evander DIDN'T brawl with Lewis (smarter), and he boxed more in the Bowe rematch (smarter, he won that one).. Lewis was a much harder puncher than Bowe (see Golota fights)... Holy boxed out of a shell and gave away both Lewis fights rather than taking a chance of getting hit with a KO shot...

Holyfield took some shots from hard hitter Mike Tyson... But Mike seemed a little intimidated in that fight... I never saw Mike crank it up in either fight - except right before he bit Evander he was going at him better, but he decided the fight was over at that point so he was letting it out a little... Holyfield was too skillful with his hands and too slick with his head... I don't think Evander's chin was a big factor against Tyson... It was more his sneering attitude, physicality, and rough stuff.

Against the Atomic Bull (a big man) his chin would be crushed if he got hit good.

Some would say that versus Holyfield, Lewis should have been more aggressive to KO him. Holyfield's chin is legendary. Yes, A 240 lb man should absolutely be able to ko a 215 man, but not always. Holyfield took a lot of punishment, and should probably have been down more times than he was. Would you say Ali didn't have a great chin because he had been knocked down several times? You might, but most of us wouldn't.

What I would say about Ali is he never fought ANYBODY anywhere near the combination of height, size, strength, speed, skill, and athleticism of Lewis, Joshua, or the Klitschko Bros... Little guys put Ali on his ass so if a big guy hit him he would be unconscious... Lewis DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVE against Holyfield... Evander gave those fights away...

Holyfield's chin isn't "LEGENDARY" cuz he was knocked down so often and he was knocked OUT!!!... He was also very easy for a big man to hit IF Holyfield engaged with him... Vitali's chin and McCall's chin are legendary... The best ever.

I disagree. That's what makes the world go around.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:45

Kalan wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:43

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:34

Some would say that versus Holyfield, Lewis should have been more aggressive to KO him. Holyfield's chin is legendary. Yes, A 240 lb man should absolutely be able to ko a 215 man, but not always. Holyfield took a lot of punishment, and should probably have been down more times than he was. Would you say Ali didn't have a great chin because he had been knocked down several times? You might, but most of us wouldn't.

What I would say about Ali is he never fought ANYBODY anywhere near the combination of height, size, strength, speed, skill, and athleticism of Lewis, Joshua, or the Klitschko Bros... Little guys put Ali on his ass so if a big guy hit him he would be unconscious... Lewis DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVE against Holyfield... Evander gave those fights away...

Holyfield's chin isn't "LEGENDARY" cuz he was knocked down so often and he was knocked OUT!!!... He was also very easy for a big man to hit IF Holyfield engaged with him... Vitali's chin and McCall's chin are legendary... The best ever.

I disagree. That's what makes the world go around.

Right.... You are also impenetrable to reason or argument and that's what stalls world social and economic progress. The world goes around on it's own... It only progresses if human beings are smart, cooperative, and diligent.