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What did we learn from Anthony Joshua's unanimous points win over Joseph Parker to unify three versions of the world heavyweight title?



AJ is not so scary


By taking Joshua to points for the first time as a professional, Parker showed the Briton is not a relentless knockout monster who stops everyone he gets in the ring with. Parker's display will offer the WBA-IBF-WBO champion's rivals some encouragement.

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Very fair and quite sensible.

..showed yet again that he's only human and as such beatable..

greg wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:23 ..showed yet again that he's only human and as such beatable..

Sometimes I think AJ fans are not doing him a service. I thought this fight brought another aspect to what AJ brings. Patient; deliberate...etc.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:24

greg wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:23 ..showed yet again that he's only human and as such beatable..

Sometimes I think AJ fans are not doing him a service. I thought this fight brought another aspect to what AJ brings. Patient; deliberate...etc.

..reminded me of Klitschko: somewhat robotic, focussed, not necessarily spectacular but getting the job done as largely expected..

greg wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:24

greg wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:23 ..showed yet again that he's only human and as such beatable..

Sometimes I think AJ fans are not doing him a service. I thought this fight brought another aspect to what AJ brings. Patient; deliberate...etc.

..reminded me of Klitschko: somewhat robotic, focussed, not necessarily spectacular but getting the job done as largely expected..

AJ may turn out to be like that, but I don't believe his skill set is that of Wlad in his prime, although Wlad's prime was several years after 28 y/o.

Just showed that Joshua isn't an ATG, as some here had already coronated him.

It's ridiculous to be placed that highly when you've only had 20 pro fights. Still green but learning.

We learned he can fight a controlled fight and win a relatively comfortable decision against a good, live opponent who had improved himself.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:36

greg wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:24

Sometimes I think AJ fans are not doing him a service. I thought this fight brought another aspect to what AJ brings. Patient; deliberate...etc.

..reminded me of Klitschko: somewhat robotic, focussed, not necessarily spectacular but getting the job done as largely expected..

AJ may turn out to be like that, but I don't believe his skill set is that of Wlad in his prime, although Wlad's prime was several years after 28 y/o.

Wlad has always been a very limited fighter compared to the actual ATGs at heavyweight. Joshua simply having an uppercut in his repetoire, and having at least some inside game without needing to turn to a well-rehearsed octopus routine, makes his skill set better.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 13:57 Just showed that Joshua isn't an ATG, as some here had already coronated him.

It's ridiculous to be placed that highly when you've only had 20 pro fights. Still green but learning.

Nobody is calling him an ATG.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:06

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:36

greg wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 12:35

..reminded me of Klitschko: somewhat robotic, focussed, not necessarily spectacular but getting the job done as largely expected..

AJ may turn out to be like that, but I don't believe his skill set is that of Wlad in his prime, although Wlad's prime was several years after 28 y/o.

Wlad has always been a very limited fighter compared to the actual ATGs at heavyweight. Joshua simply having an uppercut in his repetoire, and having at least some inside game, makes his skill set better.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 13:57 Just showed that Joshua isn't an ATG, as some here had already coronated him.

It's ridiculous to be placed that highly when you've only had 20 pro fights. Still green but learning.

Nobody is calling him an ATG yet.

Wlad was getting 100% from his God given gifts and skill set. That makes an ATG. Not the best boxer by a long shot, but his skills, where not so great, were erased by his power and size. No one is calling AJ an ATG. At least I hope not yet, One never knows how a career will end up.

I think it showed that anyone with a bit of head and body movement can partially negate Joshua's jab and right hand.
Luckily in the current crop of HW's we have very basic predictable fighters except for Wilder, and Fury if he gets back into it, and the top Cruiser guys if they step up. A prime Povitkin would also be a huge test, a 38 year old, not do much after 4 rounds.
Joshua makes mincemeat out of the rest. Miller is made to for him, no wonder Eddie wants him next.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:18 I think it showed that anyone with a bit of head and body movement can partially negate Joshua's jab and right hand.
Luckily in the current crop of HW's we have very basic predictable fighters except for Wilder, and Fury if he gets back into it, and the top Cruiser guys if they step up. A prime Povitkin would also be a huge test, a 38 year old, not do much after 4 rounds.
Joshua makes mincemeat out of the rest. Miller is made to for him, no wonder Eddie wants him next.

Good points. Let's remember that AJ is very smart and learns from each experience. Unless his head gets too big, he should continue to improve. I think he learned a lot facing Parker. He didn't lose his patience and rather than expose himself by getting overly aggressive, he took what Parker gave him...safe distance and easy win. PS: Not an AJ fan.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:23

KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:18 I think it showed that anyone with a bit of head and body movement can partially negate Joshua's jab and right hand.
Luckily in the current crop of HW's we have very basic predictable fighters except for Wilder, and Fury if he gets back into it, and the top Cruiser guys if they step up. A prime Povitkin would also be a huge test, a 38 year old, not do much after 4 rounds.
Joshua makes mincemeat out of the rest. Miller is made to for him, no wonder Eddie wants him next.

Good points. Let's remember that AJ is very smart and learns from each experience. Unless his head gets too big, he should continue to improve. I think he learned a lot facing Parker. He didn't lose his patience and rather than expose himself by getting overly aggressive, he took what Parker gave him...safe distance and easy win. PS: Not an AJ fan.

Yes, he is learning every fight. I just didn't think Parker would give him any trouble in landing his big shots. Let's remember Parker is 26 and a fairly limited Am background and a lot shorter with a lot less reach who wasn't allowed to fight on the inside.
Taking that into consideration, AJ should have wasted him.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:34

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:23

KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:18 I think it showed that anyone with a bit of head and body movement can partially negate Joshua's jab and right hand.
Luckily in the current crop of HW's we have very basic predictable fighters except for Wilder, and Fury if he gets back into it, and the top Cruiser guys if they step up. A prime Povitkin would also be a huge test, a 38 year old, not do much after 4 rounds.
Joshua makes mincemeat out of the rest. Miller is made to for him, no wonder Eddie wants him next.

Good points. Let's remember that AJ is very smart and learns from each experience. Unless his head gets too big, he should continue to improve. I think he learned a lot facing Parker. He didn't lose his patience and rather than expose himself by getting overly aggressive, he took what Parker gave him...safe distance and easy win. PS: Not an AJ fan.

Yes, he is learning every fight. I just didn't think Parker would give him any trouble in landing his big shots. Let's remember Parker is 26 and a fairly limited Am background and a lot shorter with a lot less reach who wasn't allowed to fight on the inside.
Taking that into consideration, AJ should have wasted him.

The referee didn't help. (understatement)

SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 13:57 Just showed that Joshua isn't an ATG, as some here had already coronated him.

It's ridiculous to be placed that highly when you've only had 20 pro fights. Still green but learning.

And that's even not the thing to learn, that's already well known stuff, proved once again.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 17:08

SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 13:57 Just showed that Joshua isn't an ATG, as some here had already coronated him.

It's ridiculous to be placed that highly when you've only had 20 pro fights. Still green but learning.

And that's even not the thing to learn, that's already well known stuff, proved once again.

We still don't know if AJ is an ATG. He has the potential if he continues to improve. Long way away.

Joshua is patient, he didn't want the stoppage by the looks of it.
Go in there get the strap and move on ... if that was the idea he comes out of it looking ok.

AJ is over-rated to the hilt

Joshua's mere presence put Parker on the back foot for most of the fight.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:34

Let's remember Parker is 26 and a fairly limited Am background and a lot shorter with a lot less reach who wasn't allowed to fight on the inside.
Taking that into consideration, AJ should have wasted him.

Let’s also remember Parker has been a pro longer and has had more pro fights.
Limited amateur career?
Parker’s father, Dempsey Parker, who was named after Jack Dempsey started his son boxing at 3 years old. Boxing was in the Parker families blood,
Parker had 68 senior amateur bouts and more as a junior.

On the other hand AJ first walked into a boxing gym at 18, and only had 43 amateur contests .

End of the day AJ pretty much dominated the widely regarded #3 in the HW division .

i learned that

guy whose been pro the shortest time in boxrecs top 25 wins about 9 rounds in a unufication vs a consensus top 10 fighter =

must be super overated and would get crushed by fiighters who have had more problems vs weaker opponents and have also had to go the distance

Don't ever let Giuseppe Quartarone referee another Boxing match

They both respected each other maybe a bit too much. Cagey tactical fight borderline spar session.

That ref should stay away from unification title bouts at the minimum.

Parker will be champ again someday.

I think we learned a lot about both.

I worried for Parker before the fight as I believed his generally poor defensive work would making life easy for Joshua. In the end, he executed a textbook defensive display and was an awkward opponent whilst getting off a few of his own shots. He'll come again and I look forward to the rematch in the future.

Joshua demonstrated that he had the engine and patience to win a fight over the distance. I think we also found out that his power can be negated by the right tactical approach and good movement. It does make me wonder more about the outcome against Fury, especially as he has the reach advantage. Joshua will require plans B & C if he wishes to come through that one.

Unfortunately the division only has a small handful of fighters that tick the boxes that ate required to trouble Joshua, and AJ could have exhausted his options in 2-3 years, providing he comes through the Wilder and Fury tests.

We didn't learn anything that we didn't already know or anticipate.

All boxing experts stated that Joshua's boxing fundamentals were flawed, but were clearly developing as he gains more experience.

Also, the vast majority of pundits anticipated a competitive bout between Joshua and Parker, with nearly all of them predicting either a very late stoppage or decision victory.

Apart from minutiae, we didn't learn anything.

I'm actually a little astounded that people believe that Joshua was somehow "exposed". Do they not follow the sport at all?

Wales wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 23:26

KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:34

Let's remember Parker is 26 and a fairly limited Am background and a lot shorter with a lot less reach who wasn't allowed to fight on the inside.
Taking that into consideration, AJ should have wasted him.

Let’s also remember Parker has been a pro longer and has had more pro fights.
Limited amateur career?
Parker’s father, Dempsey Parker, who was named after Jack Dempsey started his son boxing at 3 years old. Boxing was in the Parker families blood,
Parker had 68 senior amateur bouts and more as a junior.

On the other hand AJ first walked into a boxing gym at 18, and only had 43 amateur contests .

End of the day AJ pretty much dominated the widely regarded #3 in the HW division .

I wouldn't say dominated. A lot of media scorecards were 116-112 to Joshua.