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Ibf have ordered Whyte vs Pulev for a final eliminator. Pulev was originally ordered to face Breazaele so it seems he has pulled out maybe because he might be fighting wilder next. If this was the case this means Joshua would fight Povetkin and Joshua vs Wilder will probably not happen till 2019.

Sound like great fights to me

Much better than having Glazkov and Martins as their #1 and #2..

Good fight.

Maybe getting ready to strip Joshua

Good fight, but I doubt Whyte takes it. He loses his opportunity at a title because Pulev beats him easy. Whyte should try and get Wilder in the ring. Pulev can fight Miller or something.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 16:13 Good fight.

Maybe getting ready to strip Joshua

Why? Joshua already got his mandatory out of the way with his win over Takam. If he doesn't fight the winner, which he should, then he gets stripped. Either way, the Whyte/Pulev winner would be a great fight.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 16:35

BitPlayer wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 16:13 Good fight.

Maybe getting ready to strip Joshua

Why? Joshua already got his mandatory out of the way with his win over Takam. If he doesn't fight the winner, which he should, then he gets stripped. Either way, the Whyte/Pulev winner would be a great fight.

Because sanctioning bodies love stripping unified champions.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 16:37

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 16:35

BitPlayer wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 16:13 Good fight.

Maybe getting ready to strip Joshua

Why? Joshua already got his mandatory out of the way with his win over Takam. If he doesn't fight the winner, which he should, then he gets stripped. Either way, the Whyte/Pulev winner would be a great fight.

Because sanctioning bodies love stripping unified champions.

I can't see where you are getting that from. Fury was SOL because Klitschko had a rematch clause. Joshua doesn't have that so he could go mandatory to mandatory. Plus, the mandatories they are putting in front of him are great fights: Povetkin, Pulev/Whyte. Really, all are better than Wilder.

I had seen it but didn't believe it. I'd watch that fight! Wish Pulev was more active last couple years.

That would be insanely sick.

I'd be surprised if Dillian Whyte takes this bout and abandons his desire to face Deontay Wilder.

Strategically-speaking, it's better for Matchroom for Whyte to instated as the WBC's mandatory instead.

I think he will accept. the wilder fight probably wont happen for a while and the other day he sounded alright about facing povetkin so why not pulev. anyway if he was to decline I think the next in the rankings is miller so it would only mean another good fight.

still quite a lot of scenarios that could play out but I think wilder vs breazaele, joshua vs povetkin and whyte vs pulev.. also aswell maybe parker could fight ortiz that would be another good matchup

whyte wins

Boxing101101 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 19:03 I think he will accept. the wilder fight probably wont happen for a while and the other day he sounded alright about facing povetkin so why not pulev.

When Brazeale was originally supposed to be tied up with the IBF final eliminator a couple of days ago, it looked as though Whyte would either be immediately instated as the mandatory challenger for Wilder's title or would be ordered to compete in a final eliminator for the WBC title against Povetkin.

If Whyte decides to compete in the IBF's final eliminator, he'll probably lose both his WBC ranking and also an opportunity to face Wilder.

Eddie Hearn wants the WBC title owned by a Matchroom fighter in order to orchestrate a mega-money title unification bout for his cash cow, Anthony Joshua.

If Wilder won't work with Matchroom, he continues to ask for a 50-50 split to face AJ and continues to duck Whyte, then Eddie Hearn could try to get Dillian a mandatory shot at Deontay's title in the UK via the purse bid process, which is something the American doesn't seem to want.

Those plans go out of the window if Whyte decides to go down the IBF route instead.

I think that Hearn wants to see Wilder headline a PPV in the UK against Whyte to generate exposure for both relatively anonymous fighters, as it helps sell an eventual mega-money title unification bout against AJ.

In that scenario, Matchroom wins regardless the outcome of a potential Wilder-Whyte fight.

If Whyte goes down the IBF route instead, then this indicates that we won't see Wilder-Joshua anytime soon.

Hearn says Wilder will fight Breazeale next:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... ddie-Hearn

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:26 Hearn says Wilder will fight Breazeale next:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... ddie-Hearn

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:26 Hearn says Wilder will fight Breazeale next:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... ddie-Hearn

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

For the record, Wilder doesn't actually have a promoter. So in the context of 'The Bronze Bomber', the Matchroom boss doesn't actually have a rival (or at least an equivalent counterpart amongst Team Wilder).

Also, Eddie Hearn probably has more dealings with Al Haymon and Luis DeCubas Jr. than the vast majority of people involved in Team Wilder. And Breazeale is affiliated to Al Haymon.

Unfortunately those are the facts, whether you like it or not, those are the objective truths of reality that you cannot possibly refute.

Also, before renewing your lifelong membership of the Eddie Hearn lynch mob, you need to remember that promoters don't have a fiduciary duty to protect the interests of the fighters they work with. So they're legally entitled to place their own interests above all others, since they are the ones taking the lions share of the financial risk.

You need to understand and appreciate the role that promoters are supposed to perform prior to condemning them.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:26 Hearn says Wilder will fight Breazeale next:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... ddie-Hearn

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

That's probably a little harsh on Hearn.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 10:06

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:26 Hearn says Wilder will fight Breazeale next:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... ddie-Hearn

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

For the record, Wilder doesn't actually have a promoter. So in the context of 'The Bronze Bomber', the Matchroom boss doesn't actually have a rival (or at least an equivalent counterpart amongst Team Wilder).

Also, Eddie Hearn probably has more dealings with Al Haymon and Luis DeCubas Jr. than the vast majority of people involved in Team Wilder. And Breazeale is affiliated to Al Haymon.

Unfortunately those are the facts, whether you like it or not, those are the objective truths of reality that you cannot possibly refute.

Also, before renewing your lifelong membership of the Eddie Hearn lynch mob, you need to remember that promoters don't have a fiduciary duty to protect the interests of the fighters they work with. So they're legally entitled to place their own interests above all others, since they are the ones taking the lions share of the financial risk.

You need to understand and appreciate the role that promoters are supposed to perform prior to condemning them.

EO there is nothing to refute.
You show me a muthafuckin contract that states Wilder has signed to face Breazelle.
Or it is like I said speculation.
You are so quick to point out facts that have fuckall to do about the topic.
Yes Hearn should take care of his interest first.
No one has said otherwise.
The point is Wilder has not signed to fight anyone because Hearn said Saturday they will start negotiations this week with team Wilder.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 10:39

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:26 Hearn says Wilder will fight Breazeale next:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... ddie-Hearn

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

That's probably a little harsh on Hearn.

Why is it harsh?
He's been proven to lie. He's been caught in numerous lies.
Calling him a liar as enlighten one would say is a fact
But all promoters are liars so it's nothing new

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 10:06

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:26 Hearn says Wilder will fight Breazeale next:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... ddie-Hearn

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

For the record, Wilder doesn't actually have a promoter. So in the context of 'The Bronze Bomber', the Matchroom boss doesn't actually have a rival (or at least an equivalent counterpart amongst Team Wilder).

Also, Eddie Hearn probably has more dealings with Al Haymon and Luis DeCubas Jr. than the vast majority of people involved in Team Wilder. And Breazeale is affiliated to Al Haymon.

Unfortunately those are the facts, whether you like it or not, those are the objective truths of reality that you cannot possibly refute.

Also, before renewing your lifelong membership of the Eddie Hearn lynch mob, you need to remember that promoters don't have a fiduciary duty to protect the interests of the fighters they work with. So they're legally entitled to place their own interests above all others, since they are the ones taking the lions share of the financial risk.

You need to understand and appreciate the role that promoters are supposed to perform prior to condemning them.

So do fighters lose their ranking if they fight in a final eliminator with another organisation?

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 10:46

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 10:39

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:55

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

That's probably a little harsh on Hearn.

Why is it harsh?
He's been proven to lie. He's been caught in numerous lies.
Calling him a liar as enlighten one would say is a fact
But all promoters are liars so it's nothing new

He's the best promoter in the industry. He without doubt bends the truth to fit his agenda, but everyone does that. That being said, he is more in touch with the boxing community, and on the whole quite transparent.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 10:49

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 10:06

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:55

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

For the record, Wilder doesn't actually have a promoter. So in the context of 'The Bronze Bomber', the Matchroom boss doesn't actually have a rival (or at least an equivalent counterpart amongst Team Wilder).

Also, Eddie Hearn probably has more dealings with Al Haymon and Luis DeCubas Jr. than the vast majority of people involved in Team Wilder. And Breazeale is affiliated to Al Haymon.

Unfortunately those are the facts, whether you like it or not, those are the objective truths of reality that you cannot possibly refute.

Also, before renewing your lifelong membership of the Eddie Hearn lynch mob, you need to remember that promoters don't have a fiduciary duty to protect the interests of the fighters they work with. So they're legally entitled to place their own interests above all others, since they are the ones taking the lions share of the financial risk.

You need to understand and appreciate the role that promoters are supposed to perform prior to condemning them.

So do fighters lose their ranking if they fight in a final eliminator with another organisation?

Not automatically, but if the fighter chooses to exploit their title opportunity with another governing body, then they usually lose their ranking (or at least their mandatory challenger status).

I think Ortiz lost his WBA mandatory status when he challenged for Wilder's WBC title.

Brazeale lost his opportunity to compete in the IBF final eliminator when he chose to take an opportunity to challenge for the WBC title instead.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:26 Hearn says Wilder will fight Breazeale next:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... ddie-Hearn

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

You can believe Wilder's record with one good opponent (who almost stopped him) in 40 fights. He is avoiding Whyte and Povetkin, and it is too early for him to cash out against Joshua. He will milk his title a little more fighting bums.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 11:10

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:55

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 09:26 Hearn says Wilder will fight Breazeale next:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... ddie-Hearn

So we are supposed to believe a rival promoter with no ties to either fighter?
Hearn is a con-artist and a proven liar

You can believe Wilder's record with one good opponent (who almost stopped him) in 40 fights. He is avoiding Whyte and Povetkin, and it is too early for him to cash out against Joshua. He will milk his title a little more fighting bums.

I have no problem with Wilder fighting Breazeale who is a consensus top 10 opponent.
I just don't believe it at this time
They're aiming for Joshua