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This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

How do you figure?

Just 2 years ago Povetkin was even money to beat Wilder, and hasn't lost in the meantime. How is he a mismatch now for AJ?

He's a Top 5 ranked Heavyweight in anybody's book so he'd be one of the AJ's 3 or 4 best opponents up to this point of his career any way you wanna measure it.

It's not AJ vs Wilder, but it's not a mismatch.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:47

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

How do you figure?

Just 2 years ago Povetkin was even money to beat Wilder, and hasn't lost in the meantime. How is he a mismatch now for AJ?

He's a Top 5 ranked Heavyweight in anybody's book so he'd be one of the AJ's 3 or 4 best opponents up to this point of his career any way you wanna measure it.

It's not AJ vs Wilder, but it's not a mismatch.

I'd agree. Povetkin is as good an opponent for AJ as Ortiz was for Wilder.

good fight this. also now that wilders and joshuas teams are talking maybe wilder will fight whyte

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

dickbelden wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:39 http://boxingnews.com.ua/

Sorry but I can't read that... Whatever that might be

It is starting to be too late for Povetkin.

For me this is still number 1 heavy facing the number 2 heavy.

Great match if it happens

Heretic wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:38

dickbelden wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:39 http://boxingnews.com.ua/

Sorry but I can't read that... Whatever that might be

It says that the probability of a fight between Povetkin and Joshua is very high.

--of course, Wilder vs Joshua has a priority but failing that or should I say while "marinating" it, don't mind seeing Joshua vs Povetkin und the sooner the better..

I think Povetkin vs Joshua is very interesting fight. I think it will be tougher for AJ than Wilder.

Povetkin has been among top ten HW for at least seven years. Right now, he might be HW No. 3-7. But, I don't think he is capable to beat Joshua, it is enough to rewatch Klitschko-Povetkin fight. Simply, Joshua is too big and powerful for Povetkin. I would like to see Povetkin vs. Haye, Ortiz or Parker (50/50 type of fights).

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:01

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:47

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

How do you figure?

Just 2 years ago Povetkin was even money to beat Wilder, and hasn't lost in the meantime. How is he a mismatch now for AJ?

He's a Top 5 ranked Heavyweight in anybody's book so he'd be one of the AJ's 3 or 4 best opponents up to this point of his career any way you wanna measure it.

It's not AJ vs Wilder, but it's not a mismatch.

I'd agree. Povetkin is as good an opponent for AJ as Ortiz was for Wilder.

I wouldn't go that far. Ortiz is much better than today's Povetkin, IMHO. That's poppycock...YUP, I said poppycock. LOL!

greg wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:55 --of course, Wilder vs Joshua has a priority but failing that or should I say while "marinating" it, don't mind seeing Joshua vs Povetkin und the sooner the better..

100%. Unless I'm overestimating Povetkin, but I don't think I am, it will be a good test for AJ...the kind of fight that he SHOULD learn from.

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 18:43

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:01

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:47

How do you figure?

Just 2 years ago Povetkin was even money to beat Wilder, and hasn't lost in the meantime. How is he a mismatch now for AJ?

He's a Top 5 ranked Heavyweight in anybody's book so he'd be one of the AJ's 3 or 4 best opponents up to this point of his career any way you wanna measure it.

It's not AJ vs Wilder, but it's not a mismatch.

I'd agree. Povetkin is as good an opponent for AJ as Ortiz was for Wilder.

I wouldn't go that far. Ortiz is much better than today's Povetkin, IMHO. That's poppycock...YUP, I said poppycock. LOL!

People are only saying that after Ortiz' performance against Wilder. After Ortiz vs Scott, Ortiz was seen as a shot old man.

I see both as faded versions of their former selves, but both are a threat if taken lightly.

Povetkin has been the most consistent heavy over the 5 years. I think it would be an excellent test for AJ and POV would come to fight. Any later than the fight loses value due to POV’s age.

x2x wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:22

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:47

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

How do you figure?

Just 2 years ago Povetkin was even money to beat Wilder, and hasn't lost in the meantime. How is he a mismatch now for AJ?

He's a Top 5 ranked Heavyweight in anybody's book so he'd be one of the AJ's 3 or 4 best opponents up to this point of his career any way you wanna measure it.

It's not AJ vs Wilder, but it's not a mismatch.

It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to work out how this bout really should be a total mismatch to begin with anyway. Do I really need to spell it out for you?

1) Anthony Joshua's 95% KO rate > Alexander Povetkin's 69% KO Rate.

2) Anthony Joshua's 6 foot 6 height > Povetkin's 6 foot 1 height.

3) Anthony Joshua's 240+ pound body weight > Povetkin's -230 pound body weight.

4) Anthony Joshua's 82 inch reach > Povetkin's 75 inch reach.

5) Anthony Joshua's 28 years in age > Povetkin's 38 years in age.

6) Anthony Joshua's more muscular physique > Povetkin's less muscular and chubbier / fatter / pudgier physique.

Should I go on?

What advantage does Povetkin hold over Joshua? Pretty much nothing! Except some experience maybe. But that's about it!

With all these advantages that Joshua holds over Povetkin, what would it make Joshua, if he fails to beat Povetkin as convincingly and as decisively as he should, based on those advantages?

This is literally a fight between a totally undersized midget vs a giant muscular specimen, that looks almost like a different creature altogether.

What would you say, if a 30 year old adult failed to brutally defeat a 5 year old child lopsidedly inside a boxing ring in a boxing match whilst holding all the advantages?

Are you getting the picture now?

Anyone that paints this match up as anything other than a total, disgusting, gruesome, gory and a horror mismatch is attempting to brainwash you! It's like Manny Pacquiao vs Sergey Kovaev!

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36

x2x wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:22

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

I agree with AJ being clear favourite... But comparing a prime, dominant, long reigning champions like Wlad and Lewis at this point in his career is foolhardy.

Moreover, maybe it’s the PEDS, but Povetkin is a better fighter now than when he fought Wlad.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:37

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:47

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

How do you figure?

Just 2 years ago Povetkin was even money to beat Wilder, and hasn't lost in the meantime. How is he a mismatch now for AJ?

He's a Top 5 ranked Heavyweight in anybody's book so he'd be one of the AJ's 3 or 4 best opponents up to this point of his career any way you wanna measure it.

It's not AJ vs Wilder, but it's not a mismatch.

It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to work out how this bout really should be a total mismatch to begin with anyway. Do I really need to spell it out for you?

1) Anthony Joshua's 95% KO rate > Alexander Povetkin's 69% KO Rate.

2) Anthony Joshua's 6 foot 6 height > Povetkin's 6 foot 1 height.

3) Anthony Joshua's 240+ pound body weight > Povetkin's -230 pound body weight.

4) Anthony Joshua's 82 inch reach > Povetkin's 75 inch reach.

5) Anthony Joshua's 28 years in age > Povetkin's 38 years in age.

6) Anthony Joshua's more muscular physique > Povetkin's less muscular and chubbier / fatter / pudgier physique.

Should I go on?

What advantage does Povetkin hold over Joshua? Pretty much nothing! Except some experience maybe. But that's about it!

With all these advantages that Joshua holds over Povetkin, what would it make Joshua, if he fails to beat Povetkin as convincingly and as decisively as he should, based on those advantages?

This is literally a fight between a totally undersized midget vs a giant muscular specimen, that looks almost like a different creature altogether.

What would you say, if a 30 year old adult failed to brutally defeat a 5 year old child lopsidedly inside a boxing ring in a boxing match whilst holding all the advantages?

Are you getting the picture now?

Anyone that paints this match up as anything other than a total, disgusting, gruesome, gory and a horror mismatch is attempting to brainwash you! It's like Manny Pacquiao vs Sergey Kovaev!

Taking all your points into consideration, why didn’t Price beat Povetkin then? It’s about boxing, strategy, tactics, ring IQ and styles, not statistics.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36

x2x wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:22

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s
Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Explain to me how AJ vs anyone but in shape Tyson Fury isn't a mismatch

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:57

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36

x2x wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:22
As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s
Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Explain to me how AJ vs anyone but in shape Tyson Fury isn't a mismatch

I think your assessment of AJ at this juncture of his career is premature at best and whimsical at worst.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36

x2x wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:22

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

does not necessarily beat a small
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Excellent analysis in your vid about how Lewis cheated to beat Tyson and Wlad cheated in the very same way (same trainer) to beat Povetkin. Excellent vid, except the part about how Vitali "lost" to lewis! That was even much worse cheating by Lewis than he pulled on Tyson. Nothing to do with Vitali having "thin skin", which he didn't.

A tall man does not necessarily beat a shorter man. What happened was you had two crooked referees who allowed Lewis and Wlad to cheat, and a third even more crooked referee in the Lewis - Vitali fight. Really though, it's now becoming redundant and unnecessary to say "crooked referee". It's like you don't have to bother to say crooked politician. That's a given. Of course boxing judges are the same, and now boxing referees are pretty much falling into that category too. Suppose the referee permitted the shorter man to keep punching the taller man below the belt, a la Ward in Mafia City? Then the shorter man would have the big advantage. But yeah Joshua will no doubt get another ref who is, as they say in the mob, a friend of our friends, but Joshua is no Wlad or even Lewis, and hopefully Povetkin's corner will vigorously protest if and when he starts to do the leaning and grabbing thing, tho corners never seem to do that nowadays. And also hopefully Povetkin will have a counter strategy for that, like - hit him in the balls! I never had trouble with tall guys. I just punched them in the stomach tee hee!

x2x wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 23:29

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36

x2x wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:22


As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

does not necessarily beat a small
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Excellent analysis in your vid about how Lewis cheated to beat Tyson and Wlad cheated in the very same way (same trainer) to beat Povetkin. Excellent vid, except the part about how Vitali "lost" to lewis! That was even much worse cheating by Lewis than he pulled on Tyson. Nothing to do with Vitali having "thin skin", which he didn't.

A tall man does not necessarily beat a shorter man. What happened was you had two crooked referees who allowed Lewis and Wlad to cheat, and a third even more crooked referee in the Lewis - Vitali fight. Really though, it's now becoming redundant and unnecessary to say "crooked referee". It's like you don't have to bother to say crooked politician. That's a given. Of course boxing judges are the same, and now boxing referees are pretty much falling into that category too. Suppose the referee permitted the shorter man to keep punching the taller man below the belt, a la Ward in Mafia City? Then the shorter man would have the big advantage. But yeah Joshua will no doubt get another ref who is, as they say in the mob, a friend of our friends, but Joshua is no Wlad or even Lewis, and hopefully Povetkin's corner will vigorously protest if and when he starts to do the leaning and grabbing thing, tho corners never seem to do that nowadays. And also hopefully Povetkin will have a counter strategy for that, like - hit him in the balls! I never had trouble with tall guys. I just punched them in the stomach tee hee!

Joshua doesn't have Wlad's or Lewis' grabbing and holding skills. You can't teach that in one training camp. AJ vs Povetkin will be a clean fight, I expect it to look more like Bowe - Holyfield than Wlad - Povetkin or Lewis - Tyson.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:47

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:45 This is a disgusting / gruesome mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua!

How do you figure?

Just 2 years ago Povetkin was even money to beat Wilder, and hasn't lost in the meantime. How is he a mismatch now for AJ?

He's a Top 5 ranked Heavyweight in anybody's book so he'd be one of the AJ's 3 or 4 best opponents up to this point of his career any way you wanna measure it.

It's not AJ vs Wilder, but it's not a mismatch.

I think the perception has changed a lot. Povetkin hasn't looked the same recently. Rudenko is very tough but I really expected Sasha to become the first man to stop him. Christian Hammer was lacking ambition but I'm sure a prime Povetkin would have got him out of there in short order. The result against Price was expected but it could have gone either way and that wasn't expected.

Two years ago (even two months ago) Wilder was a man who hadn't fought a quality opponent since beating Stiverne. He hadn't proven his ability to stand up to punishment and come through it. He hadn't proved his fighting spirit or that he could overcome an elite opponent like Luis Ortiz. He was seen by many as a man who was all talk and no action. That perception has largely been kicked into touch.

Does that answer your question? Povetkin and Wilder/Joshua are on different trajectories. The memory of a fleet of foot and hand youngster being unable to impose himself on the two inches taller Joshua is very fresh. Povetkin has more experience and the edge in technique but he is 3" shorter than Parker, 11 years older, slower of hand and foot. Realistically what can he bring to the party that Parker couldn't?

I think it's insulting to Sacha to use the word 'mismatch' to describe a fight where he isn't the favourite, besides how can a fight between a champion and a top 6 contender justify such a pejorative term? Having said that I'm struggling to see how Povetkin wins this fight.

Am I right in thinking this could well take place in Moscow?