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ValMar wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 12:58 The endless story are going on.............
I am fed up of Canelo, GGG, ODLH, Abel Sanchez...........
I am fed up of MW...........

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:00 eating cheap Mexican meat

Loki wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:11 This is a fcuking joke. GGG should ignore him, he has beaten him anyway. Deal with Vanes, then brutally KO BJ Saunders and retire.

He will then go down with Hopkins, Monzon and Hagler as the best MWs ever.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:02

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:00 eating cheap Mexican meat

Nobody really believes that meat was a source of clenbuterol.

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:12

Loki wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:11 This is a fcuking joke. GGG should ignore him, he has beaten him anyway. Deal with Vanes, then brutally KO BJ Saunders and retire.

He will then go down with Hopkins, Monzon and Hagler as the best MWs ever.

Monzon! YES!

Loki wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:12

Loki wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:11 This is a fcuking joke. GGG should ignore him, he has beaten him anyway. Deal with Vanes, then brutally KO BJ Saunders and retire.

He will then go down with Hopkins, Monzon and Hagler as the best MWs ever.

Monzon! YES!

Probably my favourite fighter; arse of a man but what a fighter. Smoked like a trooper as well....

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 15:45 There's a few people upset about Canelo only receiving a six month's suspension, but isn't that the typical punishment for Clenbuterol (i.e. Lucas Browne and Erkan Teper)?

I'm not an expert in this subject matter, so I'm genuinely curious. I am not asking a rhetorical question.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:02

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:00 eating cheap Mexican meat

Nobody really believes that meat was a source of clenbuterol.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 16:08 Apparently the NSAC wants to demonstrate that they don't play favorites after allowing Morales and Vargas to fight with similar low levels.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 16:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 15:45 There's a few people upset about Canelo only receiving a six month's suspension, but isn't that the typical punishment for Clenbuterol (i.e. Lucas Browne and Erkan Teper)?

I'm not an expert in this subject matter, so I'm genuinely curious. I am not asking a rhetorical question.

It all depends on jurisdiction. Canelo was suspended by NSAC, Browne by the WBA, and Teper by the EBU, so it's difficult to compare.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the minimum NSAC suspension was supposed to be 9 months though. I know in the UK, ped offences generally come with a 2 year ban, but again Canelo wasn't caught under that jurisdiction, so those rules don't apply.

There's no consistency at all.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 17:46

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 16:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 15:45 There's a few people upset about Canelo only receiving a six month's suspension, but isn't that the typical punishment for Clenbuterol (i.e. Lucas Browne and Erkan Teper)?

I'm not an expert in this subject matter, so I'm genuinely curious. I am not asking a rhetorical question.

It all depends on jurisdiction. Canelo was suspended by NSAC, Browne by the WBA, and Teper by the EBU, so it's difficult to compare.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the minimum NSAC suspension was supposed to be 9 months though. I know in the UK, ped offences generally come with a 2 year ban, but again Canelo wasn't caught under that jurisdiction, so those rules don't apply.

There's no consistency at all.

I can provide numerous examples where the NSAC have only issued a six months suspension for testing positive for banned substances.

We also know that other fighters that tested positive for Clenbuterol elsewhere were only suspended for six months.

I also believe there's a separate thread created on this forum (a few weeks ago), where multiple posters expected Canelo to only receive a six months ban.

That's why I'm a bit surprised about the reaction to Canelo's punishment.

People seem surprised, shocked and outraged, but I really don't understand the reason why they feel this way.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 16:08

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:02

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:00 eating cheap Mexican meat

Nobody really believes that meat was a source of clenbuterol.

Unless I missed it, I don't think that any evidence was provided by anyone that indicates otherwise.

Canelo's drug level dropped from a miniscule 0.6-0.8 ml of clenbuterol on the first sample to an even more infinitesimal .06-.08 3 days later. It was 10 times higher the first time around but still regarded as trace.

Everyone seems to agree that those tiny levels are very consistent with meat contamination. Even the NSAC doesn't argue that. They're just holding firmly to their suddenly enforced rule that any positive test, not matter how miniscule, warrants a suspension.

Apparently the NSAC wants to demonstrate that they don't play favorites after allowing Morales and Vargas to fight with similar low levels.

So they basically suspend him for 6 months.

Fine. Canelo's recuperating from knee surgery anyways but will be good to go for the September rematch.

He'll probably be an even better now that his mobility won't be hampered by a long term aching knee.

So Canelo recuperates during his "suspension" and Superfight II is still just around the corner.

As Chick Hearn used to say "No harm, no foul."

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 18:32

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 16:08

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:02

There is no proof, because Canelo didn't provide a hair sample. If he was really clean, he would have done that and not get suspended at all. Him not being enrolled in WBC Clean Boxing program is another sign of cheating. Changes in his body too.

That's why I'm done with him. His entire career is now tarnished. IMHO.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 18:32

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 16:08

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 13:02
Nobody really believes that meat was a source of clenbuterol.

Unless I missed it, I don't think that any evidence was provided by anyone that indicates otherwise.

Canelo's drug level dropped from a miniscule 0.6-0.8 ml of clenbuterol on the first sample to an even more infinitesimal .06-.08 3 days later. It was 10 times higher the first time around but still regarded as trace.

Everyone seems to agree that those tiny levels are very consistent with meat contamination. Even the NSAC doesn't argue that. They're just holding firmly to their suddenly enforced rule that any positive test, not matter how miniscule, warrants a suspension.

Apparently the NSAC wants to demonstrate that they don't play favorites after allowing Morales and Vargas to fight with similar low levels.

So they basically suspend him for 6 months.

Fine. Canelo's recuperating from knee surgery anyways but will be good to go for the September rematch.

He'll probably be an even better now that his mobility won't be hampered by a long term aching knee.

So Canelo recuperates during his "suspension" and Superfight II is still just around the corner.

As Chick Hearn used to say "No harm, no foul."

There is no proof, because Canelo didn't provide a hair sample. If he was really clean, he would have done that and not get suspended at all. Him not being enrolled in WBC Clean Boxing program is another sign of cheating. Changes in his body too.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 18:50

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 18:32

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 16:08

Unless I missed it, I don't think that any evidence was provided by anyone that indicates otherwise.

Canelo's drug level dropped from a miniscule 0.6-0.8 ml of clenbuterol on the first sample to an even more infinitesimal .06-.08 3 days later. It was 10 times higher the first time around but still regarded as trace.

Everyone seems to agree that those tiny levels are very consistent with meat contamination. Even the NSAC doesn't argue that. They're just holding firmly to their suddenly enforced rule that any positive test, not matter how miniscule, warrants a suspension.

Apparently the NSAC wants to demonstrate that they don't play favorites after allowing Morales and Vargas to fight with similar low levels.

So they basically suspend him for 6 months.

Fine. Canelo's recuperating from knee surgery anyways but will be good to go for the September rematch.

He'll probably be an even better now that his mobility won't be hampered by a long term aching knee.

So Canelo recuperates during his "suspension" and Superfight II is still just around the corner.

As Chick Hearn used to say "No harm, no foul."

There is no proof, because Canelo didn't provide a hair sample. If he was really clean, he would have done that and not get suspended at all. Him not being enrolled in WBC Clean Boxing program is another sign of cheating. Changes in his body too.

Have you read the WADA code?

Any testing results obtained from hair, nails, oral fluid or other biological material shall not be used to counter Adverse Analytical Findings or Atypical Findings...