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Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 14:20
by Ilya Muromets
Beards have traditionally and historically not been allowed in boxing. Recently they have been allowing them in the US and they have been getting bigger. This is Broner now. Are they going to allow him to fight like that? Is his clean shaven opponent not going to protest? Tell me that doesn't have a cushioning effect!
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 14:59
by Deleted_Scenes
x2x wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 14:20
Beards have traditionally and historically not been allowed in boxing. Recently they have been allowing them in the US and they have been getting bigger. This is Broner now. Are they going to allow him to fight like that? Is his clean shaven opponent not going to protest? Tell me that doesn't have a cushioning effect!
It will certainly protect against soft tissue damage, but not so sure about knockouts or brain trauma, since those are caused more by fast rotation of the head and the brain bouncing around inside the skull.
Saying that, I'd still definitely prefer beards to be banned in the ring.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 15:29
by Ilya Muromets
"...but not so sure about knockouts or brain trauma, since those are caused more by fast rotation of the head and the brain bouncing around inside the skull. "
A beard will cushion the impact of a blow resulting in less shock and trauma to the neck, head, and brain.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 15:45
by Impractical Poster
A beard is not cushioning a blow to any extent to matter. Bas Ruten explained this in detail regarding MMA on more than one occasion. It's ridiculous to think it gives extra protection.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 15:47
by oogiebe
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 15:45
A beard is not cushioning a blow to any extent to matter. Bas Ruten explained this in detail regarding MMA on more than one occasion. It's ridiculous to think it gives extra protection.
Thank you. Perhaps we can put an end to this already!
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 15:58
by greg
..considering the fact that beards belong to what is known as "secondary sexual characteristics" I wouldn't want to have any close contact with the individual above purely out of hygienic reasons..
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:00
by oogiebe
greg wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 15:58
..considering the fact that beards belong to what is known as "secondary sexual characteristics" I wouldn't want to have any close contact with the individual above purely out of hygienic reasons..
EWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!! When I wrestled; before matches, we wouldn't shower for a day or so and NOT put on deodorant to sicken our opponent. I thought that was bad, but your post gave me all kinds of creepy! LMFAO!!!! Nicely done!
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:18
by Ilya Muromets
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 15:45
A beard is not cushioning a blow to any extent to matter. Bas Ruten explained this in detail regarding MMA on more than one occasion.
It's ridiculous to think it gives extra protection.
It's ridiculous to think it doesn't. Plain simple common sense - obviously not common now - will give you your answer. Might as well say a bike helmet won't cushion a blow to the head (It has cushioning material under the shell - what for?). How about holding up a pillow filled with, say, horse hair in front of your jaw. Do you think that might give you some protection against a blow, some cushioning effect? Duh. PS Let's see exactly what your Bas Ruten said. Link.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:19
by oogiebe
x2x wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:18
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 15:45
A beard is not cushioning a blow to any extent to matter. Bas Ruten explained this in detail regarding MMA on more than one occasion.
It's ridiculous to think it gives extra protection.
It's ridiculous to think it doesn't. Plain simple common sense - obviously not common now - will give you your answer. Might as well say a bike helmet won't cushion a blow to the head (It has cushioning material under the shell - what for?). How about holding up a pillow filled with, say, horse hair in front of your jaw. Do you think that might give you some protection against a blow, some cushioning effect. Duh. PS Let's see exactly what your Bas Ruten said. Link.
What's ridiculous is comparing a hairy chinstrap to a bike helmet. A pillow? not comparable. I'll wait for the link as well.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:24
by Ilya Muromets
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:19
x2x wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:18
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 15:45
A beard is not cushioning a blow to any extent to matter. Bas Ruten explained this in detail regarding MMA on more than one occasion.
It's ridiculous to think it gives extra protection.
It's ridiculous to think it doesn't. Plain simple common sense - obviously not common now - will give you your answer. Might as well say a bike helmet won't cushion a blow to the head (It has cushioning material under the shell - what for?). How about holding up a pillow filled with, say, horse hair in front of your jaw. Do you think that might give you some protection against a blow, some cushioning effect. Duh. PS Let's see exactly what your Bas Ruten said. Link.
What's ridiculous is comparing a hairy chinstrap to a bike helmet. A pillow? not comparable. I'll wait for the link as well.
Cushioning material, Oogyboogy, all of them. This shouldn't even be a matter for debate but simple common sense. Beards have always been illegal in boxing up to now, and now what, only in the US?
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:25
by oogiebe
x2x wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:24
oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:19
x2x wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:18
It's ridiculous to think it doesn't. Plain simple common sense - obviously not common now - will give you your answer. Might as well say a bike helmet won't cushion a blow to the head (It has cushioning material under the shell - what for?). How about holding up a pillow filled with, say, horse hair in front of your jaw. Do you think that might give you some protection against a blow, some cushioning effect. Duh. PS Let's see exactly what your Bas Ruten said. Link.
What's ridiculous is comparing a hairy chinstrap to a bike helmet. A pillow? not comparable. I'll wait for the link as well.
Cushioning material, Oogyboogy, all of them. This shouldn't even be a matter for debate but simple common sense. Beards have always been illegal in boxing up to now, and now what, only in the US?
LOL! Stop that!
One would think it may take out the sting, but not the concusiveness (sp?) of the blows.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:34
by boxing_rocks
Yes, common sense says that a good size beard produces SOME padding. They even use horse hair padding in boxing gloves.
Huge beards like Broner's should be banned.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:38
by Impractical Poster
x2x wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:18
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 15:45
A beard is not cushioning a blow to any extent to matter. Bas Ruten explained this in detail regarding MMA on more than one occasion.
It's ridiculous to think it gives extra protection.
It's ridiculous to think it doesn't. Plain simple common sense - obviously not common now - will give you your answer. Might as well say a bike helmet won't cushion a blow to the head (It has cushioning material under the shell - what for?). How about holding up a pillow filled with, say, horse hair in front of your jaw. Do you think that might give you some protection against a blow, some cushioning effect? Duh. PS Let's see exactly what your Bas Ruten said. Link.
There is barely any hair between the fist and the chin. It's mostly air. The amount of protection is so minuscule MMA doesn't even site it out of several reasons for trimming a beard to a certain length before a bout. If I was to get plowed by a Wilder haymaker, it wouldn't matter if I was clean shaven or had a ZZ Top beard. The damage sustained would be the same.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:40
by Impractical Poster
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:34
Yes, common sense says that a good size beard produces SOME padding. They even use horse hair padding in boxing gloves.
Huge beards like Broner's should be banned.
Yes they do. There is a lot of compacted horse hair in the gloves to produce the proper padding. Facial hair adds so minuscule extra protection it's not worth mentioning.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:47
by Impractical Poster
Bas states it's about as much protection as wrapping a plastic bag around your head.
Think about it. How much extra protection is a few millimeters of hair going to give you against a 800psi punch?
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 16:51
by oogiebe
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 16:47
Bas states it's about as much protection as wrapping a plastic bag around your head.
Think about it. How much extra protection is a few millimeters of hair going to give you against a 800psi punch?
An immaterial amount. I'm sorry I started this up again...didn't mean to. It's just so ridiculous to imagine how any facial hair helps. I'm sure if you hit a bald man on top of the head with a two by four the result would be identical as if he had hair.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 17:03
by brilo33
iam in my 30s, but iam very against the beards
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 17:56
by SenorPipino
Is this deja vou all over again?
Didn't the OP cover this topic ad naseum about a month ago after Wilder-Ortiz?
Has he uncovered new evidence to support his ludicrous claim?
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 18:24
by Impractical Poster
brilo33 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 17:03
iam in my 30s, but iam very against the beards
Ironic given your name
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 18:54
by Deleted_Scenes
x2x wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 15:29
"...but not so sure about knockouts or brain trauma, since those are caused more by fast rotation of the head and the brain bouncing around inside the skull. "
A beard will cushion the impact of a blow resulting in less shock and trauma to the neck, head, and brain.
Headguards don't protect against brain trauma. Some studies say they amplify it, by transferring the shock around the head instead of letting the jaw absorb some of it.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 19:22
by lazboy
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:54
x2x wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 15:29
"...but not so sure about knockouts or brain trauma, since those are caused more by fast rotation of the head and the brain bouncing around inside the skull. "
A beard will cushion the impact of a blow resulting in less shock and trauma to the neck, head, and brain.
Headguards don't protect against brain trauma. Some studies say they amplify it, by transferring the shock around the head instead of letting the jaw absorb some of it.
Thank you yes! I read recently about this recently. There’s other negatives for using them as they hinder vision. I guess they would protect from cuts though.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 20:39
by ldlamb
No one who actually takes this stuff seriously believes that a beard provides any protection against the type of force used in the average punch.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 20:45
by Ilya Muromets
Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 18:54
x2x wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 15:29
"...but not so sure about knockouts or brain trauma, since those are caused more by fast rotation of the head and the brain bouncing around inside the skull. "
A beard will cushion the impact of a blow resulting in less shock and trauma to the neck, head, and brain.
Headguards don't protect against brain trauma. Some studies say they amplify it, by transferring the shock around the head instead of letting the jaw absorb some of it.
I don't care for amateur headquards but i don't know about them amplifying blows. I think amateur boxing has a pretty good safety record. A mass of hair obviously acts as a cushion though. If you can't comprehend the simple physics of that, as usual extrapolate to an extreme... a huge mountain man beard - and boxing is getting there - you think that's not going to cushion an uppercut even a little?
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 20:48
by jezzamundo
Beards have been illegal in most places in boxing because they can be used to scratch an opponents eyes/face, not because of any cushioning effect on punches. Looking at it from a purely scientific POV there would be some cushioning, but it would be very minor (I would expect it would absorb much less than 1% of the energy from a punch), even with a big beard like Broner's.
Re: Beards in boxing
Posted: 21 Apr 2018, 20:51
by jamamb
id think stubble could actually be worse? because its more brissly and can scratch the opponent easyier
id think maybe at best massive beards could give some tiny degree of extra protection from cuts, but would be very trivial as protecting from kos