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dickbelden wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 21:22 the purse bid. would this b more likely to b in NYC or VEGAS ?

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 02:49 With the money that both men would want to be paid, holding the fight anywhere other than UK or Russia would mean making a huge loss.

Joshua's team would prefer the US to Russia but I'm not sure Ryabinskiy would really be willing to throw money away.

If Hearn doesn't host this fight he will probably force Joshua to vacate and try to get Whyte to fight Povetkin instead.

Possibly with the long term view of Joshua vs Whyte unification down the line (although that would require a lot of variables to fall exactly into place in order to become a reality).

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 03:14

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 02:49 With the money that both men would want to be paid, holding the fight anywhere other than UK or Russia would mean making a huge loss.

Joshua's team would prefer the US to Russia but I'm not sure Ryabinskiy would really be willing to throw money away.

If Hearn doesn't host this fight he will probably force Joshua to vacate and try to get Whyte to fight Povetkin instead.

Possibly with the long term view of Joshua vs Whyte unification down the line (although that would require a lot of variables to fall exactly into place in order to become a reality).

British fight fans love traveling to Las Vegas. Hearn wants AJ to gain exposure to the US market and it'll feel like home for him, since the crowd will mainly to fellow Brits.

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 03:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 03:14

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 02:49 With the money that both men would want to be paid, holding the fight anywhere other than UK or Russia would mean making a huge loss.

Joshua's team would prefer the US to Russia but I'm not sure Ryabinskiy would really be willing to throw money away.

If Hearn doesn't host this fight he will probably force Joshua to vacate and try to get Whyte to fight Povetkin instead.

Possibly with the long term view of Joshua vs Whyte unification down the line (although that would require a lot of variables to fall exactly into place in order to become a reality).

British fight fans love traveling to Las Vegas. Hearn wants AJ to gain exposure to the US market and it'll feel like home for him, since the crowd will mainly to fellow Brits.

I'm sure AJ would take a few thousand fans to the US, but the anti-social hour the fight would be shown in Europe would reduce PPV sales in the UK and Russia.

Also the lack of a US following for either fighter would make for relatively low veiwing figures on Showtime.

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 03:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 03:14

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 02:49 With the money that both men would want to be paid, holding the fight anywhere other than UK or Russia would mean making a huge loss.

Joshua's team would prefer the US to Russia but I'm not sure Ryabinskiy would really be willing to throw money away.

If Hearn doesn't host this fight he will probably force Joshua to vacate and try to get Whyte to fight Povetkin instead.

Possibly with the long term view of Joshua vs Whyte unification down the line (although that would require a lot of variables to fall exactly into place in order to become a reality).

British fight fans love traveling to Las Vegas. Hearn wants AJ to gain exposure to the US market and it'll feel like home for him, since the crowd will mainly to fellow Brits.

I'm sure AJ would take a few thousand fans to the US, but the anti-social hour the fight would be shown in Europe would reduce PPV sales in the UK and Russia.
Also the lack of a US following for either fighter would make for relatively low veiwing figures on Showtime.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 04:13

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 03:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 03:14
British fight fans love traveling to Las Vegas. Hearn wants AJ to gain exposure to the US market and it'll feel like home for him, since the crowd will mainly to fellow Brits.

I'm sure AJ would take a few thousand fans to the US, but the anti-social hour the fight would be shown in Europe would reduce PPV sales in the UK and Russia.

Also the lack of a US following for either fighter would make for relatively low veiwing figures on Showtime.

Eddie Hearn has repeatedly claimed that he wants to introduce AJ to the US market and the Brit’s ratings on Showtime are fairly decent, given the times that his bouts have been televised by that premium cable network.

They have to start somewhere and facing Povetkin on US soil could simply be the first step towards PPV stardom in the US.

Eddie Hearn has previously admitted to staging loss-making events and overpaying AJ’s opponents’ in order build the Brits’ name in the UK. He may have to do the very same thing for Joshua’s bouts on US soil.

One approach to avoid poor ratings when the main event is perceived as being a mismatch (or the opponent is anonymous), which Eddie Hearn has openly admitted to doing in the past, is to ensure the undercard is packed with names that are familiar to the US audience, who’ll attract ratings for Showtime.

Such as when AJ fought Eric Molina, the likes of Luis Ortiz, Katie Taylor, Scott Quigg, Dillian Whyte, Dereck Chisora and Callum Smith were on the undercard and this ensured that the Sky Sports ratings remained high.

Eddie Hearn would have to do the same sort of thing for AJ’s first bout on US soil in order to optimise the viewing figures for Showtime.

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 04:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 04:13

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 03:47

I'm sure AJ would take a few thousand fans to the US, but the anti-social hour the fight would be shown in Europe would reduce PPV sales in the UK and Russia.

Also the lack of a US following for either fighter would make for relatively low veiwing figures on Showtime.

Eddie Hearn has repeatedly claimed that he wants to introduce AJ to the US market and the Brit’s ratings on Showtime are fairly decent, given the times that his bouts have been televised by that premium cable network.

They have to start somewhere and facing Povetkin on US soil could simply be the first step towards PPV stardom in the US.

Eddie Hearn has previously admitted to staging loss-making events and overpaying AJ’s opponents’ in order build the Brits’ name in the UK. He may have to do the very same thing for Joshua’s bouts on US soil.

One approach to avoid poor ratings when the main event is perceived as being a mismatch (or the opponent is anonymous), which Eddie Hearn has openly admitted to doing in the past, is to ensure the undercard is packed with names that are familiar to the US audience, who’ll attract ratings for Showtime.

Such as when AJ fought Eric Molina, the likes of Luis Ortiz, Katie Taylor, Scott Quigg, Dillian Whyte, Dereck Chisora and Callum Smith were on the undercard and this ensured that the Sky Sports ratings remained high.

Eddie Hearn would have to do the same sort of thing for AJ’s first bout on US soil in order to optimise the viewing figures for Showtime.

Hearn has also said that he will no linger overpay opponents as he has done ot too many times already.

Joshua does need to be introduced to the US audience at some point (ideally before fighting Wilder). There was talk of Miller being that man, he is a New Yorker and would cost considerably less than Povetkin, which would mean more money for the undercard.

I just don't see this fight happening in the US without the promoter taking a massive loss.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 04:49

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 04:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 04:13
Eddie Hearn has repeatedly claimed that he wants to introduce AJ to the US market and the Brit’s ratings on Showtime are fairly decent, given the times that his bouts have been televised by that premium cable network.

They have to start somewhere and facing Povetkin on US soil could simply be the first step towards PPV stardom in the US.

Eddie Hearn has previously admitted to staging loss-making events and overpaying AJ’s opponents’ in order build the Brits’ name in the UK. He may have to do the very same thing for Joshua’s bouts on US soil.

One approach to avoid poor ratings when the main event is perceived as being a mismatch (or the opponent is anonymous), which Eddie Hearn has openly admitted to doing in the past, is to ensure the undercard is packed with names that are familiar to the US audience, who’ll attract ratings for Showtime.

Such as when AJ fought Eric Molina, the likes of Luis Ortiz, Katie Taylor, Scott Quigg, Dillian Whyte, Dereck Chisora and Callum Smith were on the undercard and this ensured that the Sky Sports ratings remained high.

Eddie Hearn would have to do the same sort of thing for AJ’s first bout on US soil in order to optimise the viewing figures for Showtime.

Hearn has also said that he will no linger overpay opponents as he has done ot too many times already.

Joshua does need to be introduced to the US audience at some point (ideally before fighting Wilder). There was talk of Miller being that man, he is a New Yorker and would cost considerably less than Povetkin, which would mean more money for the undercard.

I just don't see this fight happening in the US without the promoter taking a massive loss.

And that is precisely what I said will happen. Hearn is willing to play the long game and invest today in order to reap the rewards tomorrow.

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 05:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 04:49

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 04:47
Hearn has also said that he will no linger overpay opponents as he has done ot too many times already.

Joshua does need to be introduced to the US audience at some point (ideally before fighting Wilder). There was talk of Miller being that man, he is a New Yorker and would cost considerably less than Povetkin, which would mean more money for the undercard.

I just don't see this fight happening in the US without the promoter taking a massive loss.

And that is precisely what I said will happen. Hearn is willing to play the long game and invest today in order to reap the rewards tomorrow.

He may have done that in the past, but now he is past that point with Joshua and is looking to reap the rewards of that early investment.

The only reason Hearn would overpay Povetkin would be to guarantee the fight took place in the UK.

I doubt he will be willing to take a loss in order to stage the fight in the US.

Maybe Ryabinskiy will, but I'm not convinced it will happen.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 05:24

keirw wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 05:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 04:49
And that is precisely what I said will happen. Hearn is willing to play the long game and invest today in order to reap the rewards tomorrow.

He may have done that in the past, but now he is past that point with Joshua and is looking to reap the rewards of that early investment.

The only reason Hearn would overpay Povetkin would be to guarantee the fight took place in the UK.

I doubt he will be willing to take a loss in order to stage the fight in the US.

Maybe Ryabinskiy will, but I'm not convinced it will happen.

If Andrey Ryabinsky wins the purse bid and decides to stage the bout in the US, as per the title of this thread, then Eddie Hearn will do his upmost to ensure the success of the event by working with his Russian counterpart. It's in Matchroom's own interest to ensure AJ's debut on US soil is percieved as being a commercial success, by optimising Showtime's viewing figures.

If Matchroom wins the purse bid, then I suspect Povetkin will have to face Joshua in the UK.

Hearn’s preference is abundantly clear, since he would like AJ to make his debut on US soil against an American.