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The WBC have made the wrong decision to order a final eliminator between Dillian Whyte and Luis Ortiz.

And I can’t help thinking that it’s because that governing body has close ties to Al Haymon, since both Wilder and Ortiz are with the PBC chief, as are several other fighters rated as qualified title challengers for that governing body.

When Deontay Wilder eventually steps foot inside the ring against Dominic Breazeale, he would be engaging in his ninth world title fight, where eight of the men he faced were fellow Al Haymon stablemates.

If you remember six months ago, the WBC passed over Whyte, when they ordered a bout between Dominic Breazeale and Eric Molina (both with Al Haymon) to determine Deontay Wilder’s mandatory challenger.

At the time, Breazeale was ranked sixth by the WBC with Molina down in 12th, but Whyte was rated above both men (in third – behind two other Al Haymon fighters) and had already engaged in a WBC title eliminator against Dereck Chisora.

The two Al Haymon fighters that were previously rated above Whyte, when the Breazeale-Molina eliminator was announced (Stiverne & Ortiz), have both subsequently received their world title shots.

Dillian Whyte has already competed in a WBC title eliminator, has been rated as the highest-ranked challenger for Wilder’s WBC title for at least six months and has also competed in multiple WBC title fights that should have already earned him a shot against ‘The Bronze Bomber’, but for some reason he has to engage in another eliminator against an Al Haymon fighter that suffered defeat to Deontay less than two months ago!

Mauricio Sulaiman’s organisation is very inconsistent, because they rarely make other fighters overcome so many hurdles and I’m guessing if Dillian Whyte was with Al Haymon he would have already fought Deontay Wilder by now!

By the time Deontay Wilder eventually faces the winner of the Ortiz-Whyte final eliminator, he would have been the world champion for approaching four years, whilst having previously performed only one mandatory defence of his title.

The WBC must be held accountable for their conduct in relation to their excessive generosity towards Deontay Wilder and other heavyweight fighters that are with Al Haymon!

Here's Dillian Whyte's reaction today about the WBC's announcement:

Here's a hyperlink to another story published by ESPN more than six months ago, whereby Dillian Whyte was complaining about the WBC's decision to order an eliminator between Dominic Breazeale and Eric Molina, where his own eliminator victory and ranking was clearly overlooked:

"Dillian Whyte irked after being passed over by WBC"

Whyte, who is ranked third by the same governing body and outpointed Robert Helenius last month, told ESPN: "I've fought for all these WBC eliminators and I've got three WBC belts. If anyone deserves a final eliminator it's me...

"I'm the highest-ranked WBC fighter outside of Wilder. This Breazeale vs. Molina is a terrible fight..."

"As far as I know, I'm still No. 1 challenger. Once Stiverne loses, I should be mandatory. The rankings will change in the next few days and I should be No. 1."

Whyte's promoter, Eddie Hearn, responded to the news on social media by saying: "I don't believe this is correct -- neither are even in the top five -- Dillian is the highest rated contender as [sic] is ready to fight."

Look at the chain of messages in this tweet published today by a journalist from TalkSport:

The WBC confirmed their mistake last year to other media outlets, hence the reason why Dillian Whyte and Eddie Hearn have both been very vocal about their criticism of Mauricio Sulaiman's organisation today.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/index.php/r ... dit&id=139

You can't make it up.

The WBC's own ratings list Whyte ahead of Breazeale.

That's twice this month the WBC have outright lied in public. How corrupt can you get?

This is an organisation who demonstrates what a lack of regulation results in.

It's online with the awardment of the World Cup to Russia and Qatar. Everyone in the world can see what's happening, but absolutely nobody can do anything about it.

Excellent OP.

That's an excellent post EO. Dillian is being made to jump through hoop after hoop in the hope that he's eventually going to fall on his face whereupon the WBC can finally have an excuse not to make him mandatory for Wilder.

It's clear Wilder doesn't want to fight him. He'd rather fight Breazeale for $2m rather than Whyte for $5m. I'm sure Deontay (Haymon) could have manoeuvred Hearn into making the fight in the US if that was what was worrying him ... and clearly something was worrying him. I don't like to use terms like "ducking" but if it waddles and quacks it's hard to avoid the conclusion that it's a duck. I'm quite sure Dillian would have been happy to go to NYC, Vegas or Hicksville, Alabama if it meant a shot at the WBC title.

When I first started calling bullshit on the veto of Povetkin's challenge on the trumped up meldonium charge, I insisted that it was political and that basically Sulaiman was part of Wilder's management team. This met with howls of derision and abuse from many posters - almost exclusively - no make that exclusively, American, who wouldn't for a moment acknowledge the possibility that Povetkin was the victim of a stitch-up, and that Haymon and Sulaiman were in each other's pockets.

I always found it curious that when asked how come Stiverne was mandatory for so long having fought once in three years against a journeyman who floored him, those same 'wise monkeys' had no hesitation in suggesting that Sulaiman and King were in each other's pockets - go figure !

The whole thing stinks of corruption and Sulaiman and his puppet organization are nothing but a cheap whore, available to whomever wants to cross their palm with silver.

Eliminator, final eliminator, with most boxers at the top level mostly fighting a maximum of three times per year it’s a wonderful ruse to keep Wilder away from those pesky mandatory defences. Leaving aside the fact that Whyte should already be mandatory, how come Ortiz is at number four in the ratings when he just lost? Surely he should drop to the lower end of the top ten?

I believe the WBC’s conduct towards Dillian Whyte is reminiscent of how they previously handled Graciano Rocchigiani, where they made decisions and “typographical errors” that were not only inconsistent in nature, they also contravened their own rules, which adversely affected the careers of both fighters from a financial perspective.

Graciano Rocchigiani was stripped of his title when the WBC awarded his belt to another fighter for no damn reason and they were compelled, when they lost a lawsuit, to award $30m in damages to the German.

Similarly, Dillian Whyte should have been granted an opportunity to face Deontay Wilder, but the WBC has persistently overlooked him by awarding title shot opportunities to lower ranked Al Haymon fighters, coupled with continuously demanding that the Brit participates in eliminators, for no damn reason.

I’d be interested to receive Mauricio Sulaiman’s explanation for the WBC’s heinous actions.

As far as I'm concerned, they'll never be expected to explain their actions. I'm sure there were many questions around the decision to make Stiverne the mandatory challenger for the second time.

Did ever receive an explanation for that one?

Al Haymon has the WBC in his pocket.

That's why Deontay Wilder and Adonis Stevenson have gotten the fights they have as defending titlists.

WBC is just corrupt all around really. Because they also suspended Carlos Cuadras for suspecting drug use, but had Canelo's back 100% even though he DID test positive. Nothing suspect at all, it happened.

The other thing that baffles me is the WBC survive by asking money to join and get ranked. They also get a % of each fighters purse.
So if Eddie is offering big money for Whyte to fight Wilder, one would expect the WBC to jump at the chance of making way more % than if Wilder fought Brazeale
And with Whytes backing by Matchroom, if he won the future % would outweigh Wilders potential % returns.
If the WBC think they can hang out for a unification with AJ, well both Whyte or Wilder have the same chance at it depending on who has the belt. In fact if Whyte best Wilder, the unification with AJ would be much easier to make.

Isn't it refreshing that sometimes boxing isn't all about the money?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 16:41 The other thing that baffles me is the WBC survive by asking money to join and get ranked. They also get a % of each fighters purse.
So if Eddie is offering big money for Whyte to fight Wilder, one would expect the WBC to jump at the chance of making way more % than if Wilder fought Brazeale
And with Whytes backing by Matchroom, if he won the future % would outweigh Wilders potential % returns.
If the WBC think they can hang out for a unification with AJ, well both Whyte or Wilder have the same chance at it depending on who has the belt. In fact if Whyte best Wilder, the unification with AJ would be much easier to make.

Isn't it refreshing that sometimes boxing isn't all about the money?

Read the first post in this thread.

The WBC has a very close, to the point of being intimate, relationship with Al Haymon.

The WBC are utterly corrupt at heavyweight.

the Stiverne rematch farce being one of a stream of examples.

its pure 1950's Madison square garden stuff

Wilder may have talent but his reign as alphabet champ is tainted.

you only have to go back to the dive that malik scott took to see this.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 19:26

KiwiRider wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 16:41 The other thing that baffles me is the WBC survive by asking money to join and get ranked. They also get a % of each fighters purse.
So if Eddie is offering big money for Whyte to fight Wilder, one would expect the WBC to jump at the chance of making way more % than if Wilder fought Brazeale
And with Whytes backing by Matchroom, if he won the future % would outweigh Wilders potential % returns.
If the WBC think they can hang out for a unification with AJ, well both Whyte or Wilder have the same chance at it depending on who has the belt. In fact if Whyte best Wilder, the unification with AJ would be much easier to make.

Isn't it refreshing that sometimes boxing isn't all about the money?

Read the first post in this thread.

The WBC has a very close, to the point of being intimate, relationship with Al Haymon.

Oh, I did read your first post which was up to your usual standards- excellent
My semi sarcastic post was confirmation that the situation exceeds monetary parameters, at least in the recognised format.

Deontay Wilder has just submitted a counter offer to Anthony Joshua for a bout that is scheduled to take place sometime between September and December of this year.

Assuming the offer is genuine; Shelley Finkel stated that it must be the very next bout for both men.

Therefore, the following mandatory challengers must agree to wait for their opportunity to face the winner of the Joshua-Wilder bout until 2019:
• WBA – Alexander Povetkin
• IBF – Whyte or Pulev
• WBC – Dominic Breazeale

This winner of so-called “final” eliminator between Ortiz & Whyte to determine the second mandatory challenger to the WBC title may not be granted an opportunity to challenge for the championship until 2020 at the earliest, since the WBC’s own rules state that their champion only needs to perform one mandatory defence per year.

Therefore, both Matchroom and Dillian Whyte have wasted a lot of time and money on trying to earn a shot at Deontay Wilder’s title and the WBC must be held accountable for their ridiculously poor handling of the situation!

I expect Whyte to reject the WBC’s order for him to face Luis Ortiz, since it doesn’t serve any purpose whatsoever. The Brit will inevitably go down the IBF route instead, because it’s abundantly clear that both the WBC and Team Wilder aren’t interested in granting Dillian a title shot.

Therefore, both Matchroom and Dillian Whyte have wasted a lot of time and money on trying to earn a shot at Deontay Wilder’s title and the WBC must be held accountable for their ridiculously poor handling of the situation!

They should Firstly sue ,

secondly --- have nothing to do with the wbc ,, don't give them any money

Whyte has held the Silver title for a couple of fights, unless I’m mistaken when it was introduced the WBC defended its introduction by saying that the holder was the number one challenger to the WBC champion...

chinarich wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 12:53 Whyte has held the Silver title for a couple of fights, unless I’m mistaken when it was introduced the WBC defended its introduction by saying that the holder was the number one challenger to the WBC champion...

I believe he won it against Helenius, which was easily 6 months ago. I honestly thought he would be installed as mandatory, or at least #1 when he beat Chisora. I couldn't have been any more wrong if I tried.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 16:44

chinarich wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 12:53 Whyte has held the Silver title for a couple of fights, unless I’m mistaken when it was introduced the WBC defended its introduction by saying that the holder was the number one challenger to the WBC champion...

I believe he won it against Helenius, which was easily 6 months ago. I honestly thought he would be installed as mandatory, or at least #1 when he beat Chisora. I couldn't have been any more wrong if I tried.

I did a bit more research, Rob, and the Silver belt was the replacement for their old Interim title so it really should place the holder in the mandatory position and there’s no reason that it shouldn’t. Apart from the sanctioning organisations making the rules up as they go along...

chinarich wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 17:30

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 16:44

chinarich wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 12:53 Whyte has held the Silver title for a couple of fights, unless I’m mistaken when it was introduced the WBC defended its introduction by saying that the holder was the number one challenger to the WBC champion...

I believe he won it against Helenius, which was easily 6 months ago. I honestly thought he would be installed as mandatory, or at least #1 when he beat Chisora. I couldn't have been any more wrong if I tried.

I did a bit more research, Rob, and the Silver belt was the replacement for their old Interim title so it really should place the holder in the mandatory position and there’s no reason that it shouldn’t. Apart from the sanctioning organisations making the rules up as they go along...

Who's the #1 contender has nothing to do with who's won what fights, it's all about which promoter greased the wheels most recently.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 17:31

chinarich wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 17:30

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 16:44

I believe he won it against Helenius, which was easily 6 months ago. I honestly thought he would be installed as mandatory, or at least #1 when he beat Chisora. I couldn't have been any more wrong if I tried.

I did a bit more research, Rob, and the Silver belt was the replacement for their old Interim title so it really should place the holder in the mandatory position and there’s no reason that it shouldn’t. Apart from the sanctioning organisations making the rules up as they go along...

Who's the #1 contender has nothing to do with who's won what fights, it's all about which promoter greased the wheels most recently.

Well of course I know that but we are discussing the WBC’s mistreatment here...

I've been a fan of Brazeale, I make no bones about it. But when he mouths off to the press how he is the mandatory, when he knows full well he isn't ( in the place we all call reality) it really grinds my gears
Eddie is already talking about a different pathway for Whyte, I guess he has thrown in the towel with the WBC. And here's me thinking he has the juice to get his own way- or at least to get governing bodies to stick to their own rules. He should take them to court. I would. Make them sweat a little with a multi million suit.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 22:41 I've been a fan of Brazeale, I make no bones about it. But when he mouths off to the press how he is the mandatory, when he knows full well he isn't ( in the place we all call reality) it really grinds my gears
Eddie is already talking about a different pathway for Whyte, I guess he has thrown in the towel with the WBC. And here's me thinking he has the juice to get his own way- or at least to get governing bodies to stick to their own rules. He should take them to court. I would. Make them sweat a little with a multi million suit.

He could do that but it would tie Whyte up and if he has invested the cash to get him to the WBC mandatory position then I’m sure he doesn’t want him sitting idle. Hearn’s plan has presumably been to get Whyte the WBC shot and then if he wins then he has all the belts in his stable and a big unification fight with AJ. If Whyte loses then he still has the possibility of the AJ-Wilder fight...

Yes I'm sure Whyte isn't looking for a second-class "world title fight" with Manuel Charr in about five years time, but I don't see that a lawsuit against the World Boxing Conspiracy should involve tying down Dillian to inactivity, Oquendo's situation / ambitions may have been very different. (and yes I am aware that was that other bunch of scumbags not this bunch)

Whyte is only the latest fighter to be fukced about by Sulaiman, no doubt at the behest of his employer-buddy Al Haymon, who seems to be the only American who believes Whyte can actually fight.

It would be great if Hearn could take out a lawsuit while Dillian Whyte continues to go about his business. .