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if aj was to vacate the wba then this fight could happen. would be an interesting fight but personally i think povetkin would ko miller

Could be an interesting fight indeed. Povetkin is more skilled and fast for sure. Miller can be a bit uncomfortable due to size advantage and durability, so Povetkin is more likely to take the decision, I'd say.

Miller (probably) wins because of the huge size advantage! Povetkin is undoubtedly the more skilled boxer though.

Miller would outweigh him by around 80 pounds! Lol

However.. Povetkin wins.

Boxing101101 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 06:41 if aj was to vacate the wba then this fight could happen. would be an interesting fight but personally i think povetkin would ko miller

Wouldn't the winner of the Charr-Oquendo bout be elevated to become the WBA's super champion?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:16

Boxing101101 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 06:41 if aj was to vacate the wba then this fight could happen. would be an interesting fight but personally i think povetkin would ko miller

Wouldn't the winner of the Charr-Oquendo bout be elevated to become the WBA's super champion?

That would be an option.. but we all know WBA would use this to sanction another fight for the 'super' title..

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:06 That would be one awesome fight, the best heavyweight from America vs the best heavyweight from Russia!

That would be awesome!

Miller is not the best HW in USA..

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:16

Boxing101101 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 06:41 if aj was to vacate the wba then this fight could happen. would be an interesting fight but personally i think povetkin would ko miller

Wouldn't the winner of the Charr-Oquendo bout be elevated to become the WBA's super champion?

i suppose so but this is the wba we are talking about . but tbh im not sure what would happen it would make sense to do that if the wba are serious about having 1 champion per weight, if this was to happen the povetkin and miller could fight and the winner would become mandatory.

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:45

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:28

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:16
Wouldn't the winner of the Charr-Oquendo bout be elevated to become the WBA's super champion?

That would be an option.. but we all know WBA would use this to sanction another fight for the 'super' title..

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:06 That would be one awesome fight, the best heavyweight from America vs the best heavyweight from Russia!
That would be awesome!

Miller is not the best HW in USA..

Go ahead, let any American out there beat him in a fair match.

Fair match? Why would it not be?

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:51

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:50

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:45
Go ahead, let any American out there beat him in a fair match.

Fair match? Why would it not be?

I don't know, I'd have to see the match first, but I would be very surprised if any American out there could beat him.

I think Wilder definately beats him. That's jus my opinion.. gotta say Breazeale would be very competitive. He's not scared to dig in.. but like you said, if only we see these fights..

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 09:02

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:55

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 08:51
I don't know, I'd have to see the match first, but I would be very surprised if any American out there could beat him.

I think Wilder definately beats him. That's jus my opinion.. gotta say Breazeale would be very competitive. He's not scared to dig in.. but like you said, if only we see these fights..

Breazeale? He didn't look very competative against AJ in every case. Well, let's see if the winner of Breazeale vs Wilder would dare to challenge Miller. I don't think that winner would.

That was Breazeales first big fight. He was gutsy though. His fight vs. Ugonoh also showed us he will do what it takes to win..

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 09:35

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 09:04

AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 09:02
Breazeale? He didn't look very competative against AJ in every case. Well, let's see if the winner of Breazeale vs Wilder would dare to challenge Miller. I don't think that winner would.

That was Breazeales first big fight. He was gutsy though. His fight vs. Ugonoh also showed us he will do what it takes to win..

It wasn't his first big fight, he was in fact very very lucky to survive against Mansour back in the days.

I haven't forgot about that fight. It was a tough fight for him, but AJ was his first big fight..

He was very poor vs. Mansour but I think he's improved a lot.

The Povetkin that was staggered around the ring by a shot David Price would be stopped convincingly by Miller.

Povetkin's best days are behind him.

He ate shots from Price, who is not especially quick handed.

Miller's speed is better and throws punches ineffective combos.

It could be a quick victory for Miller, who still needs to focus on conditioning and pacing to become a true title threat.

But Povetkin is no longer at that top tier level so the younger Big Baby manhandles him.

in terms of getting hit price i think has far more one punch power then miller, and it was really only one big shot he landed on povetkin. miller would have to have much more prolonged success then price did, but he may well be able to grind down povetkin and outman him. and exhaust him. i think povetkin is the harder puncher though.

i dont think it would be quick, miller doesnt really do quick. i would say someone like gerald washington, who lasted rounds, is considerably a lesser opponent then povetkin is even now

SenorPipino wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 10:40 The Povetkin that was staggered around the ring by a shot David Price would be stopped convincingly by Miller.

miller could very well beat povetkin but i dont really agree with that logic, or at least how im interpreting it. millers obviously a better fighter then price but hes not really a big puncher. between his last three opponents he couldnt even score one knockdown. hes never dropped anyone good. he could hit povetkin with a clean hook and id doubt hed do as much damage as price did, even though millers clearly better overall then price.

millers a big strong guy but he needs accumulation and is there to be hit. id think povetkin would certainly have plenty of moments even if he lost. right now im not sure who id favour. maybe miller could just outmuscle and young man him, although i think povetkin is the better puncher.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 10:40 The Povetkin that was staggered around the ring by a shot David Price would be stopped convincingly by Miller.

Povetkin's best days are behind him.

He ate shots from Price, who is not especially quick handed.

Miller's speed is better and throws punches ineffective combos.

It could be a quick victory for Miller, who still needs to focus on conditioning and pacing to become a true title threat.

But Povetkin is no longer at that top tier level so the younger Big Baby manhandles him.

I can't believe you just posted that.

Is there no filter in your head for dumb statements?

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 15:52

SenorPipino wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 10:40 The Povetkin that was staggered around the ring by a shot David Price would be stopped convincingly by Miller.

Povetkin's best days are behind him.

He ate shots from Price, who is not especially quick handed.

Miller's speed is better and throws punches ineffective combos.

It could be a quick victory for Miller, who still needs to focus on conditioning and pacing to become a true title threat.

But Povetkin is no longer at that top tier level so the younger Big Baby manhandles him.

I can't believe you just posted that.

Is there no filter in your head for dumb statements?

I would love to depend on your wisdom to be my filter.

But reading many of your posts, I realize your filter has apparently expired too.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 07:10 Miller (probably) wins because of the huge size advantage! Povetkin is undoubtedly the more skilled boxer though.

I wouldn't necessarily say that Povetkin is "undoubtedly" more skilled, his biggest advantage is the fact that he actually shows up in shape, and not 50 pounds overweight.

He'd have the advantage in the 2nd half of the fight for sure.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 17:57

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 07:10 Miller (probably) wins because of the huge size advantage! Povetkin is undoubtedly the more skilled boxer though.

I wouldn't necessarily say that Povetkin is "undoubtedly" more skilled, his biggest advantage is the fact that he actually shows up in shape, and not 50 pounds overweight.

He'd have the advantage in the 2nd half of the fight for sure.

To me, there's no doubt! Povetkin is nearly 100 pounds lighter. Yet, he more often puts much more of a hurt on his opponents more frequently and inflicts much greater damage on his opponents far more frequently = proof that he has significantly greater offensive skills than Jarrell Miller. This is not even up for debate!

When you're that much heavier, and still inflict significantly lesser damage on common opponents or similar level of opponents, you're skills (offensively) has to be questioned.

Povetkin's overhand right alone is a better punch than any single punch Miller can throw. In terms of power, accuracy, timing and set up. Never mind the left hook, which is easily Povetkin's best punch by far when it comes to finishing off fights.

Povetkin's punch technique and mechanics are also superior. He knows how to throw punches with better speed and weight application to get as much out of his punches as possible in terms of power. His accuracy and timing are also far superior overall in most of his punches. Especially when it comes to combination punching.

When it comes to setting up offense, Povetkin again has Miller beat overall. Povetkin has a far better feinting and probing game.

Povetkin's defense is also superior. So is his control over distance. He has better in and out movement. Knows how to make take less damage when attacking. Unlike Miller, who relies on taking punches to land his own and overwhelming his opponents.

I can't see how this is even up for debate!

Povetkin fights at around 220 or 230 don't he? So it's more like 50 or 60 pounds lighter on average...Miller USUALLY isn't 300+

Miller obviously shows a high level of skill I don't think that can be denied when you watch him fight, his biggest drawback is the fact that he's f*cking fat, and will therefore never get the best out of his potential.

I'm not saying Miller is MORE skilled than Povetkin, but I think he may well be AS skilled as Povetkin or at least close to it. Povetkin has never exactly looked like the slickest fighter I've ever seen or anything, he's just a hard hitter, and he's disciplined enough to always show up at his best, and give a great effort.

The last few fights I've seen him in he seems to throw an awkward left hook that doesn't do much damage, and isn't overly effective. Don't know why he doesn't throw his right hand more as that's clearly his bomb, but I guess maybe all of the left hooks are just to kinda throw you off the scent of the right hand.

Miller displays skill though obviously. He just can't ever maximize on those skills because he's so goddamn fat. If he weren't skilled he wouldn't even be able to get away with being as fat as he is against the level he's already faced.



Also...For the record: I picked Povetkin by Decision in the poll.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 18:22 Povetkin fights at around 220 or 230 don't he? So it's more like 50 or 60 pounds lighter on average...Miller USUALLY isn't 300+

Miller obviously shows a high level of skill I don't think that can be denied when you watch him fight, his biggest drawback is the fact that he's f*cking fat, and will therefore never get the best out of his potential.

I'm not saying Miller is MORE skilled than Povetkin, but I think he may well be AS skilled as Povetkin or at least close to it. Povetkin has never exactly looked like the slickest fighter I've ever seen or anything, he's just a hard hitter, and he's disciplined enough to always show up at his best, and give a great effort.

The last few fights I've seen him in he seems to throw an awkward left hook that doesn't do much damage, and isn't overly effective. Don't know why he doesn't throw his right hand more as that's clearly his bomb, but I guess maybe all of the left hooks are just to kinda throw you off the scent of the right hand.

Miller displays skill though obviously. He just can't ever maximize on those skills because he's so goddamn fat. If he weren't skilled he wouldn't even be able to get away with being as fat as he is against the level he's already faced.



Also...For the record: I picked Povetkin by Decision in the poll.

Being skilled doesn't mean one has to be necessarily slick (in the stereotypical sense). It takes skills to do subtle / unnoticeable things, such as setting up the left hook which Povetkin set up to cleanly KO Duhaupas or Carlos Takam. The accuracy, timing and power was perfect. So was the set up! When was the last time you saw Miller setting up or landing such punches, especially on an opponent of such a caliber?

To claim 'he is just a hard hitter' is totally false and is a misrepresentation of how he boxes. In fact, I dare say he doesn't even hit that hard. Rather, his offensive skills are what make up for his lack of power.

I don't even see how Miller is as skilled as Povetkin. I'm sorry, but I'll have to respectfully disagree. Povetkin has Miller beat in far too many departments for my liking. Feinting, combination punching, punch technique / mechanics, punch selection, punch accuracy, punch timing, distance control and etc.

Miller's size is what allows him to be as successful. He literally eats punches to land his own punches. And his size allows him to take punches better. Povetkin is better at getting hit less, whilst still being able to land far better and more damaging punches. Tell me how exactly Miller is more skilled?

Tell me when exactly I said Miller was "More skilled"...

I wouldn't say he's MORE skilled than Povetkin, but I don't think the gap is all that wide in the skill department. The gap is enormous in the discipline department though, and that's why Povetkin would beat him.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 18:37

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 18:22 Povetkin fights at around 220 or 230 don't he? So it's more like 50 or 60 pounds lighter on average...Miller USUALLY isn't 300+

Miller obviously shows a high level of skill I don't think that can be denied when you watch him fight, his biggest drawback is the fact that he's f*cking fat, and will therefore never get the best out of his potential.

I'm not saying Miller is MORE skilled than Povetkin, but I think he may well be AS skilled as Povetkin or at least close to it. Povetkin has never exactly looked like the slickest fighter I've ever seen or anything, he's just a hard hitter, and he's disciplined enough to always show up at his best, and give a great effort.

The last few fights I've seen him in he seems to throw an awkward left hook that doesn't do much damage, and isn't overly effective. Don't know why he doesn't throw his right hand more as that's clearly his bomb, but I guess maybe all of the left hooks are just to kinda throw you off the scent of the right hand.

Miller displays skill though obviously. He just can't ever maximize on those skills because he's so goddamn fat. If he weren't skilled he wouldn't even be able to get away with being as fat as he is against the level he's already faced.



Also...For the record: I picked Povetkin by Decision in the poll.

Being skilled doesn't mean one has to be necessarily slick (in the stereotypical sense). It takes skills to do subtle / unnoticeable things, such as setting up the left hook which Povetkin set up to cleanly KO Duhaupas or Carlos Takam. The accuracy, timing and power was perfect. So was the set up! When was the last time you saw Miller setting up or landing such punches, especially on an opponent of such a caliber?

To claim 'he is just a hard hitter' is totally false and is a misrepresentation of how he boxes. In fact, I dare say he doesn't even hit that hard. Rather, his offensive skills are what make up for his lack of power.

I don't even see how Miller is as skilled as Povetkin. I'm sorry, but I'll have to respectfully disagree. Povetkin has Miller beat in far too many departments for my liking. Feinting, combination punching, punch technique / mechanics, punch selection, punch accuracy, punch timing, distance control and etc.

Miller's size is what allows him to be as successful. He literally eats punches to land his own punches. And his size allows him to take punches better. Povetkin is better at getting hit less, whilst still being able to land far better and more damaging punches. Tell me how exactly Miller is more skilled?

You're underrating him.
You need to understand his stye. Miller game is long. He wants to accumulate and wear you down over the course of the fight. He clearly isn't as powerful as Povetkin but doesn't try to be. If he was putting everything on his shots like Pov he would gas out hard. Having said that Povetkin does have the better punching technique and is no doubt a skilled heavyweight but these other areas you have listed..... Feinting, combination punching, punch selection, punch accuracy, punch timing, distance control and etc..... From what we saw last night....There's not a giant gap between them. And to say Miller literally eats punches to land his own is a false. He is not Dominic Breazeale.

The more I think about it, the more I think that this won’t happen.

I don’t see any reason for the WBA to strip AJ of his title and I don’t expect ‘World of Boxing’ to outbid Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom if their mandatory goes to purse bids.

Jarrell Miller has been told on numerous occasions that he’ll be AJ’s opponent when he makes his debut on US soil, if a bout against Wilder cannot be negotiated.

Meanwhile, Alexander Povetkin is Anthony Joshua’s mandatory challenger. He already has a guaranteed title shot. And he was previously on stand-by to face AJ if Joseph Parker had to withdraw due to injury. So we know for certain that Eddie Hearn has no reservations in allowing his man to face the Russian.

Both Miller and Povetkin would likely prefer to engage in a highly-lucrative bout against AJ than risk losing their big money opportunity by engaging in a WBA title eliminator instead.

In the unlikely event that Anthony Joshua is somehow stripped of his WBA title, a bout between Miller and Povetkin won’t be for the ‘super’ championship anyway, since the winner of the Charr-Oquendo fight will likely be elevated to hold that belt.

Whilst it’s interesting to consider the outcome of a “fantasy” fight between Miller and Povetkin, I don’t expect this bout to happen anytime soon in the real world.

Hold up - Povetkin was on standby for Joshua in the event that Parker was unavailable?