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Kalan wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 00:51 They're ALL knockouts... The word knockout comes from Boxing... It doesn't mean knocked unconscious... It originally meant "knocked out of the fight" ... In other words, if you were judged unable to continue because of your physical condition.... If your corner stopped it... If you said NO MAS and quit... if you didn't beat the count.... if you beat the count but staggered around (as was the case in Hearns vs Hagler)..... or if you were knocked cold.... They were all knockouts. A technical knockout is anytime you beat the count... If you fail to beat the count that's a real KO to some... Tommy got up at 9.

If a boxer retires because of an injury that's not associated with a legal punch -- I don't think that needs to go on your KO record, but it does... Vitali Klitschko came into the Chris Byrd fight with a sore shoulder thinking he could fight through it... The shoulder started getting much worse and his rotator cuff assembly split in half.... But it's still on Byrd's KO record.

jpspice wrote: ↑04 May 2018, 23:56 Why is Hearns defeat against Hagler called a TKO? If that is a "technical" knock out, what's a "knockout"?

jamamb wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 18:30 one of the most overrated fights ever, was pretty much a one-sided beatdown for all but a minute or two, hearns legs were gone very quickly
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jamamb wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:29 one of the best uncompetitive fights. hagler bashed up hearns for at least 2 thirds of it. i was shocked when i finally watched it. it had been talked up so much so i couldnt believe that it was pretty much hagler beating up a rubbery legged hearns, way less 2 way competitive action then i expected

the fight has become a legend beyond what it really was

jamamb wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:29 one of the best uncompetitive fights. hagler bashed up hearns for at least 2 thirds of it. i was shocked when i finally watched it. it had been talked up so much so i couldnt believe that it was pretty much hagler beating up a rubbery legged hearns, way less 2 way competitive action then i expected

the fight has become a legend beyond what it really was

jamamb wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:46 hearns was at most slight buzzed very early on, in that clip that gets shown repeatedly as if all fight were like that, but haglar takes over very quickly. hearns blew his load and was very shaky even in round one, then hagler beats him up for the rest of it

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 16:18

Kalan wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 00:51 They're ALL knockouts... The word knockout comes from Boxing... It doesn't mean knocked unconscious... It originally meant "knocked out of the fight" ... In other words, if you were judged unable to continue because of your physical condition.... If your corner stopped it... If you said NO MAS and quit... if you didn't beat the count.... if you beat the count but staggered around (as was the case in Hearns vs Hagler)..... or if you were knocked cold.... They were all knockouts. A technical knockout is anytime you beat the count... If you fail to beat the count that's a real KO to some... Tommy got up at 9.

If a boxer retires because of an injury that's not associated with a legal punch -- I don't think that needs to go on your KO record, but it does... Vitali Klitschko came into the Chris Byrd fight with a sore shoulder thinking he could fight through it... The shoulder started getting much worse and his rotator cuff assembly split in half.... But it's still on Byrd's KO record.

Are you serious? If you take the fight, you accept the outcome. If you can't continue....you are "knocked out of the fight" by your own definition. I suppose you could cut down on KO's against yourself if you just registered an injury complaint going in....insulating yourself from any KO outcome. (I bet that would be a pretty popular option.) Or maybe there should be a "too tall to fall" waiver for fighters Like VK when facing crafy fellas like Chris.

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:58

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 16:18

Kalan wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 00:51 They're ALL knockouts... The word knockout comes from Boxing... It doesn't mean knocked unconscious... It originally meant "knocked out of the fight" ... In other words, if you were judged unable to continue because of your physical condition.... If your corner stopped it... If you said NO MAS and quit... if you didn't beat the count.... if you beat the count but staggered around (as was the case in Hearns vs Hagler)..... or if you were knocked cold.... They were all knockouts. A technical knockout is anytime you beat the count... If you fail to beat the count that's a real KO to some... Tommy got up at 9.

If a boxer retires because of an injury that's not associated with a legal punch -- I don't think that needs to go on your KO record, but it does... Vitali Klitschko came into the Chris Byrd fight with a sore shoulder thinking he could fight through it... The shoulder started getting much worse and his rotator cuff assembly split in half.... But it's still on Byrd's KO record.

Are you serious? If you take the fight, you accept the outcome. If you can't continue....you are "knocked out of the fight" by your own definition. I suppose you could cut down on KO's against yourself if you just registered an injury complaint going in....insulating yourself from any KO outcome. (I bet that would be a pretty popular option.) Or maybe there should be a "too tall to fall" waiver for fighters Like VK when facing crafy fellas like Chris.

Maybe Wilt was just too good an athlete for Ali to sign the contract... Maybe it wasn't tallness that scared Ali to death, but being too damned good... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Vitali accepted the outcome... Then he went into extensive surgery to have his rotator cuff repaired...

But he wasn't knocked out of the fight... His severed rotator cuff rendered him unable to continue not head trauma.

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:58

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 16:18

Kalan wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 00:51 They're ALL knockouts... The word knockout comes from Boxing... It doesn't mean knocked unconscious... It originally meant "knocked out of the fight" ... In other words, if you were judged unable to continue because of your physical condition.... If your corner stopped it... If you said NO MAS and quit... if you didn't beat the count.... if you beat the count but staggered around (as was the case in Hearns vs Hagler)..... or if you were knocked cold.... They were all knockouts. A technical knockout is anytime you beat the count... If you fail to beat the count that's a real KO to some... Tommy got up at 9.

If a boxer retires because of an injury that's not associated with a legal punch -- I don't think that needs to go on your KO record, but it does... Vitali Klitschko came into the Chris Byrd fight with a sore shoulder thinking he could fight through it... The shoulder started getting much worse and his rotator cuff assembly split in half.... But it's still on Byrd's KO record.

Are you serious? If you take the fight, you accept the outcome. If you can't continue....you are "knocked out of the fight" by your own definition. I suppose you could cut down on KO's against yourself if you just registered an injury complaint going in....insulating yourself from any KO outcome. (I bet that would be a pretty popular option.) Or maybe there should be a "too tall to fall" waiver for fighters Like VK when facing crafy fellas like Chris.

Maybe Wilt was just too good an athlete for Ali to sign the contract... Maybe it wasn't tallness that scared Ali to death, but being too damned good... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Vitali accepted the outcome... Then he went into extensive surgery to have his rotator cuff repaired...

But he wasn't knocked out of the fight... His severed rotator cuff rendered him unable to continue not head trauma.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:02

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:58

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 16:18


Are you serious? If you take the fight, you accept the outcome. If you can't continue....you are "knocked out of the fight" by your own definition. I suppose you could cut down on KO's against yourself if you just registered an injury complaint going in....insulating yourself from any KO outcome. (I bet that would be a pretty popular option.) Or maybe there should be a "too tall to fall" waiver for fighters Like VK when facing crafy fellas like Chris.

Maybe Wilt was just too good an athlete for Ali to sign the contract... Maybe it wasn't tallness that scared Ali to death, but being too damned good... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Vitali accepted the outcome... Then he went into extensive surgery to have his rotator cuff repaired...

But he wasn't knocked out of the fight... His severed rotator cuff rendered him unable to continue not head trauma.

Fact: Wilt is so tall they had to bury him 12 feet deep because it took twice as much dirt to keep him down. THAT'S HOW TALL HE WAS.

He also once won the MLB Home Run Derby, but all the other players were like "Come on man, you're so tall we're gonna look bad on TV standing next to you" so he humbly agreed to have the footage burned. What a guy!

SenorPipino wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 22:52

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:02

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:58

Maybe Wilt was just too good an athlete for Ali to sign the contract... Maybe it wasn't tallness that scared Ali to death, but being too damned good... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Vitali accepted the outcome... Then he went into extensive surgery to have his rotator cuff repaired...

But he wasn't knocked out of the fight... His severed rotator cuff rendered him unable to continue not head trauma.

Fact: Wilt is so tall they had to bury him 12 feet deep because it took twice as much dirt to keep him down. THAT'S HOW TALL HE WAS.

He also once won the MLB Home Run Derby, but all the other players were like "Come on man, you're so tall we're gonna look bad on TV standing next to you" so he humbly agreed to have the footage burned. What a guy!

Sounds like you're dishing out some tall tales here.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:41

jamamb wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:29 one of the best uncompetitive fights. hagler bashed up hearns for at least 2 thirds of it. i was shocked when i finally watched it. it had been talked up so much so i couldnt believe that it was pretty much hagler beating up a rubbery legged hearns, way less 2 way competitive action then i expected

the fight has become a legend beyond what it really was

Agreed. After a ton of hype when I finally saw the fight my reaction was "Really? That's it?"

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:39 [Excuses are what you use when you lose and can't deal with it. Or you're wrong and can't stomach it. Even Wilder didn't harp on having the flu during training, resulting in him coming in 10 - 15 LBS lighter than usual. Just saying. So if the post recipient says ok, it doesn't change the outcome. Signed, Captain Obvious.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:02 [Fact: Wilt is so tall they had to bury him 12 feet deep because it took twice as much dirt to keep him down. THAT'S HOW TALL HE WAS.

He also once won the MLB Home Run Derby, but all the other players were like "Come on man, you're so tall we're gonna look bad on TV standing next to you" so he humbly agreed to have the footage burned. What a guy!

Kalan wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 05:28

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:02 [Fact: Wilt is so tall they had to bury him 12 feet deep because it took twice as much dirt to keep him down. THAT'S HOW TALL HE WAS.

He also once won the MLB Home Run Derby, but all the other players were like "Come on man, you're so tall we're gonna look bad on TV standing next to you" so he humbly agreed to have the footage burned. What a guy!

You're posting a lot of insane nonsense as usual...

Chamberlain was VERY FAR from the tallest NBA player in History... He was the BEST NBA player in History and holds more career and game records than any other player... No other player came close to scoring 100 points in a game... No other player pulled down 55 rebounds in a game and nobody else ever came close to dominating on both ends of the court in the manner Chamberlain did.. He wasn't anywhere near the tallest.

Being only 1 inch over 7 feet tall isn't even within 5 inches of being the tallest Basketball Player in NBA History... Nobody EVER HEARD of the tallest player in NBA History because he wasn't any good... There are currently 36 NBA players over 7 feet tall... Nobody heard of most of them because they're terrible players... 1 of every 74 seven-footers makes it to the NBA and they're generally uncoordinated and can't play that well... There haven't been any more Kareem's or Wilt's.