BoxRec

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 11:48 Amateur boxing is dodgy as fvck. Maybe it would be for the best if it was excluded from the Olympics until forced to clean up.

DA1 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:57 Absolutely 0% possibility of Boxing being barred from the 2020 Olympics.

Japan is a huge boxing country, and it would be a slap in the face of their host to not have boxing and preventing Japanese fighters from competing in their own country's Olympics.

Best Coast wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 20:56 Hopefully it doesnt come to pass, but if it does it's not the end of the world.

Most American and Mexican boxers turn pro well before they reach any realistic aspirations about competing in the Olympics. So it shouldnt affect the fight game in the US as much as it will in some other countries, especially former Soviet satellite countries like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, etc.

dagilechia wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 01:23

Best Coast wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 20:56 Hopefully it doesnt come to pass, but if it does it's not the end of the world.

Most American and Mexican boxers turn pro well before they reach any realistic aspirations about competing in the Olympics. So it shouldnt affect the fight game in the US as much as it will in some other countries, especially former Soviet satellite countries like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, etc.

these countries been part of USSR not it's satellite countries, with the rest i generally agree, but if they will remove boxing from olympics maybe talented fighters from these countries will just move to pros earlier just like Americans and Mexicans do

dagilechia wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 01:23

Best Coast wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 20:56 Hopefully it doesnt come to pass, but if it does it's not the end of the world.

Most American and Mexican boxers turn pro well before they reach any realistic aspirations about competing in the Olympics. So it shouldnt affect the fight game in the US as much as it will in some other countries, especially former Soviet satellite countries like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, etc.

these countries been part of USSR not it's satellite countries, with the rest i generally agree, but if they will remove boxing from olympics maybe talented fighters from these countries will just move to pros earlier just like Americans and Mexicans do

Best Coast wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 02:11

dagilechia wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 01:23

Best Coast wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 20:56 Hopefully it doesnt come to pass, but if it does it's not the end of the world.

Most American and Mexican boxers turn pro well before they reach any realistic aspirations about competing in the Olympics. So it shouldnt affect the fight game in the US as much as it will in some other countries, especially former Soviet satellite countries like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, etc.

these countries been part of USSR not it's satellite countries, with the rest i generally agree, but if they will remove boxing from olympics maybe talented fighters from these countries will just move to pros earlier just like Americans and Mexicans do

I stand corrected by someone from a true Soviet satellite country like Poland. I should have made the distinction between former Soviet satellites (like Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, etc) and former Soviet REPUBLICS like Kazakhstan, Ukraine, etc. But you get the idea and seem to agree with the essential point of my post.

DA1 wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 02:42

dagilechia wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 01:23

Best Coast wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 20:56 Hopefully it doesnt come to pass, but if it does it's not the end of the world.

Most American and Mexican boxers turn pro well before they reach any realistic aspirations about competing in the Olympics. So it shouldnt affect the fight game in the US as much as it will in some other countries, especially former Soviet satellite countries like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, etc.

these countries been part of USSR not it's satellite countries, with the rest i generally agree, but if they will remove boxing from olympics maybe talented fighters from these countries will just move to pros earlier just like Americans and Mexicans do

Uzbek and Tajik fighters have been making the transition to pro over the last 3 years or so, as have Kazakhs over the past decade. Russians before them, and Ukrainians before them. But that only accounts for a fraction of the talent. Pro boxing is very much political: what promoter you're signed to and what their relation is to one or more of the major sanctioning bodies. Which inturn has a lot to do with what country you're from (i.e., Mexico, US and UK have a clear advantage over other countries in professional boxing in recevieng title shots, especially repeat TS).

I see a lot of talented boxers suffering without amateur boxing as their outlet. I don't see its absence as a good thing, just as I don't see people talking about having "one" governing body being a solution to anything. Both have their downsides. The governing bodies simply can't or won't accommodate all fighters of the various regions of the world fairly (there's a reason why IBO is heavily active in Africa; whereas IBF is nonexistent there or in Latin America outside Argentina; the WBO has a minimal presence in Africa as well). Iran and Cuba are huge wrestling powers, but you won't see too many of them in MMA. Similarly, Cuba and Central-Asian republics are huge boxing powers, but you never saw many of them until recently. But their track records in the amateurs speak for themselves. With the direction geopolitics is headed, it won't be surprising if CIS (ex-Soviet) countries, especially Russia, have it hard to make it in the pros in the next decade all over again. Given how all the major bodies are located in the Americas, half of them in the US alone, the others in allied Mexico and Panama.

DA1 wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 02:42

dagilechia wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 01:23

Best Coast wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 20:56 Hopefully it doesnt come to pass, but if it does it's not the end of the world.

Most American and Mexican boxers turn pro well before they reach any realistic aspirations about competing in the Olympics. So it shouldnt affect the fight game in the US as much as it will in some other countries, especially former Soviet satellite countries like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, etc.

these countries been part of USSR not it's satellite countries, with the rest i generally agree, but if they will remove boxing from olympics maybe talented fighters from these countries will just move to pros earlier just like Americans and Mexicans do

Uzbek and Tajik fighters have been making the transition to pro over the last 3 years or so, as have Kazakhs over the past decade. Russians before them, and Ukrainians before them. But that only accounts for a fraction of the talent. Pro boxing is very much political: what promoter you're signed to and what their relation is to one or more of the major sanctioning bodies. Which inturn has a lot to do with what country you're from (i.e., Mexico, US and UK have a clear advantage over other countries in professional boxing in recevieng title shots, especially repeat TS).

I see a lot of talented boxers suffering without amateur boxing as their outlet. I don't see its absence as a good thing, just as I don't see people talking about having "one" governing body being a solution to anything. Both have their downsides. The governing bodies simply can't or won't accommodate all fighters of the various regions of the world fairly (there's a reason why IBO is heavily active in Africa; whereas IBF is nonexistent there or in Latin America outside Argentina; the WBO has a minimal presence in Africa as well). Iran and Cuba are huge wrestling powers, but you won't see too many of them in MMA. Similarly, Cuba and Central-Asian republics are huge boxing powers, but you never saw many of them until recently. But their track records in the amateurs speak for themselves. With the direction geopolitics is headed, it won't be surprising if CIS (ex-Soviet) countries, especially Russia, have it hard to make it in the pros in the next decade all over again. Given how all the major bodies are located in the Americas, half of them in the US alone, the others in allied Mexico and Panama.