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David Haye looks beyond shot a 37.
Roy Jones looked beyond shot at 35 when he got pummelled and KOed cold by Glen Johnson.
Mike Tyson looked totally shot at 36 when he got a tremendous beating from Lennox Lewis.
David Tua looked totally shot at 38 when he got beaten by even older (and ecqually shot) Monte Barrett.

Wladimir Klitschko gave the hardest fight of his life to the most talented HW of the new generation and put him on the verge of defeat at the much older age than all the guys that were mentioned - at 41. It shows that Wladimir had absolutely great fundamentals unlike Jones or Haye both of whom relied mostly on their athleticism.

yes and i remember how lennox lewis is talked about as being old and past it for vitali (but still winning of course vs an inferior fighter), but that 'old' was still 4 years younger then wlad vs aj. wlad definitely aged a lot better then most.

Yeah you're right. We don't give the K bros enough credit for letting us watch them for so long. They just were never out of shape and that will add years to your career, no matter which sport on which continent. Going in and out of shape is a huge burden on the body. Great f'n point!

This means Bernard Hopkins is a god.

But yeah. Wlad's performance against AJ is the most exciting performance of his I ever remember watching. Had he had more performances like that throughout his career, I would have been a fan.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 22:48 This means Bernard Hopkins is a god.

But yeah. Wlad's performance against AJ is the most exciting performance of his I ever remember watching. Had he had more performances like that throughout his career, I would have been a fan.

LOL! Hopkins was an enigma. Agree 100% on Wlad comments.

jamamb wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 20:31 yes and i remember how lennox lewis is talked about as being old and past it for vitali (but still winning of course vs an inferior fighter), but that 'old' was still 4 years younger then wlad vs aj. wlad definitely aged a lot better then most.

Lewis wasn't winning he was losing on ALL scorecards.

There are inferior fighters and inferior writers (of posts that is) ....and Vitali was neither.... Lewis wasn't past it... But he was unjustly awarded a fight on cuts that he was losing unanimously on the scorecards... Those cuts were caused by 5 consecutive fouls Check them out... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtdOteT5G0Q

There was no attempt to throw a straight right from the shoulder or land with the end of the fist... It was a flicking thumb strike all the way.... Followed by a head grab... A head and hair rub into the cut... a holding-n-hitting foul... and raking the cut open with the palm of the glove... Lewis even checks the glove for blood..

Wlad fought a safety first style, it's no wonder his career lasted longer than most. About the only time he ever went to war was in fights he was losing, which is admirable at least but lets not pretend that the majority of his rounds fought weren't of the self preservation variety..

Blodhemn wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:42 Wlad fought a safety first style, it's no wonder his career lasted longer than most. About the only time he ever went to war was in fights he was losing, which is admirable at least but lets not pretend that the majority of his rounds fought weren't of the self preservation variety..

That is total BULLSHITT.... Klitschko attacked Ray Austin... Put him on the ropes and took him out with 5 straight left hooks.

Wladimir attacked Kubrat Pulev hard... He smashed him out cold with brutal left hooks....

Wladimir was hard on the attack against Eddie Chambers -- when he blasted him out cold with a left hook... Wladimir was the only guy who ever knocked Chambers out...

Total bs yet you can only name a couple of instances where he was aggressive. That's why I included the word About, preventing possible nitpickers but that was clearly pointless.

Staying in shape 24/7, 365 goes a long way for an athlete. I think that's what Bernard Hopkins' owes his longevity to as well.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:58 Staying in shape 24/7, 365 goes a long way for an athlete. I think that's what Bernard Hopkins' owes his longevity to as well.

That and defense based styles, albeit different methods.

Blodhemn wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 01:50

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:58 Staying in shape 24/7, 365 goes a long way for an athlete. I think that's what Bernard Hopkins' owes his longevity to as well.

That and defense based styles, albeit different methods.

Yeah, good defense definitely helps.

Blodhemn wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:56 Total bs yet you can only name a couple of instances where he was aggressive. That's why I included the word About, preventing possible nitpickers but that was clearly pointless.

I named more than a couple and I could name a dozen more fights where he attacked hard... It's simply not necessary for you to carry the fight to everybody if you have superior height, weight, and reach to that degree.. Attacking skills can get rusty if you don't jump on your warhorse often enough.. Wlad waited too long to get going with Tyson Fury.. He never really opened up and went for it.. There wasn't much of a fight.. He really needed total aggression in that fight.

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:12

Blodhemn wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:56 Total bs yet you can only name a couple of instances where he was aggressive. That's why I included the word About, preventing possible nitpickers but that was clearly pointless.

No I could name a dozen more... But it's not necessary for you to carry the fight to everybody if you have superior height, weight, and reach to that degree.. Attacking skills do get rusty if you don't jump on your warhorse often enough.. Wlad waited too long to get going with Tyson Fury.. He never really opened up and went for it.. There wasn't much of a fight.

Big time understatement right there. He never did jack sh*t against Fury, and it was the worst fight of all time.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:15

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:12

Blodhemn wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:56 Total bs yet you can only name a couple of instances where he was aggressive. That's why I included the word About, preventing possible nitpickers but that was clearly pointless.

No I could name a dozen more... But it's not necessary for you to carry the fight to everybody if you have superior height, weight, and reach to that degree.. Attacking skills do get rusty if you don't jump on your warhorse often enough.. Wlad waited too long to get going with Tyson Fury.. He never really opened up and went for it.. There wasn't much of a fight.

Big time understatement right there. He never did jack sh*t against Fury, and it was the worst fight of all time.

HELL NO it wasn't... Ali vs Evangelista was so bad Johnny Carson said.... "Here's news hot off the wire folks... Muhammad Ali and Alfredo Evangelista have just bee awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for Promoting Non-Violence in Boxing"

Wlad deserves massive credit. I'm 100% convinced he knew and Fury knew he'd win the rematch hence Tyson bottling it.

That said, Klitschko fans are an odd bunch. 99% of their careers were utter tedium. I mean - it's hard to dislike Wlad; he's a nice guy, he'll be first ballot hall of fame and so on. Good ambassador, kept himself in shape. But Christ his fights were boring.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 22:48 This means Bernard Hopkins is a god.

But yeah. Wlad's performance against AJ is the most exciting performance of his I ever remember watching. Had he had more performances like that throughout his career, I would have been a fan.

Hopkins is a god.

Of course, Klitschko deserves a credit. He had an amazing career and he retired after back-and-forth battle, after courageous almost executed effort. Many ATGs of past can't boast of the same.

DrDuke wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 05:32 Of course, Klitschko deserves a credit. He had an amazing career and he retired after back-and-forth battle, after courageous almost executed effort. Many ATGs of past can't boast of the same.

Some Olympians always stay in good condition. Also, just like Mayweather, the similar styles of fighting. Safety first etc.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 06:29

DrDuke wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 05:32 Of course, Klitschko deserves a credit. He had an amazing career and he retired after back-and-forth battle, after courageous almost executed effort. Many ATGs of past can't boast of the same.

Some Olympians always stay in good condition. Also, just like Mayweather, the similar styles of fighting. Safety first etc.

Yes, but would Mayweather be able to give the hell to Crawford or Spence at 41 in the exciting fight? I highly doubt it

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 08:06

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 06:29

DrDuke wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 05:32 Of course, Klitschko deserves a credit. He had an amazing career and he retired after back-and-forth battle, after courageous almost executed effort. Many ATGs of past can't boast of the same.

Some Olympians always stay in good condition. Also, just like Mayweather, the similar styles of fighting. Safety first etc.

Yes, but would Mayweather be able to give the hell to Crawford or Spence at 41 in the exciting fight? I highly doubt it

He wasn't the best example, but my point was, he was still able to go up until retirement.

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:52

Blodhemn wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:42 Wlad fought a safety first style, it's no wonder his career lasted longer than most. About the only time he ever went to war was in fights he was losing, which is admirable at least but lets not pretend that the majority of his rounds fought weren't of the self preservation variety..

That is total BULLSHITT.... Klitschko attacked Ray Austin... Put him on the ropes and took him out with 5 straight left hooks.

Wladimir attacked Kubrat Pulev hard... He smashed him out cold with brutal left hooks....

Wladimir was hard on the attack against Eddie Chambers -- when he blasted him out cold with a left hook... Wladimir was the only guy who ever knocked Chambers out...

Kalan, it's not "total BULLSHITT" A lot of that rings true. There are always exceptions to the rule, but Wlad did have a safety first approach for a lot of fights especially after the Brewster fiasco. He frustrated me a lot in that he wouldn't take one to land one when an opponent is playing it MORE safe than he was. He didn't USUALLY push the action when he had a viable opponent in front of him. Just telling the truth, that's all.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:44 Wlad deserves massive credit. I'm 100% convinced he knew and Fury knew he'd win the rematch hence Tyson bottling it.

That said, Klitschko fans are an odd bunch. 99% of their careers were utter tedium. I mean - it's hard to dislike Wlad; he's a nice guy, he'll be first ballot hall of fame and so on. Good ambassador, kept himself in shape. But Christ his fights were boring.

wlad at least had high end power and you could usually count on a ko, which a lot of ppl like, he wasnt a total bore where you knew nothing eventful would happen. vitali was a different type of fighter though, not as powerful but was much more aggressive, though vitali did fight a lot of trash.

wlad also had his own type of intelligent charisma which i think attracted some ppl. i wasnt a fan of the klits but i can see how ppl would be. probably got some default support from the soviet worshipers too

"Klits" Priceless!!!!!

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 20:21 David Haye looks beyond shot a 37.
Roy Jones looked beyond shot at 35 when he got pummelled and KOed cold by Glen Johnson.
Mike Tyson looked totally shot at 36 when he got a tremendous beating from Lennox Lewis.
David Tua looked totally shot at 38 when he got beaten by even older (and ecqually shot) Monte Barrett.

Wladimir Klitschko gave the hardest fight of his life to the most talented HW of the new generation and put him on the verge of defeat at the much older age than all the guys that were mentioned - at 41. It shows that Wladimir had absolutely great fundamentals unlike Jones or Haye both of whom relied mostly on their athleticism.

absolutely true. he fought a young
man's fight, was on his toes, showed
stamina. i do think this was the best
performance of an above 40 year old
in a hw title fight.